Doc's Straw Men

[winsomme]

well it wasn't their driving that was the problem. it was their running off of screens and getting clean looks at three's. and yeah, Sam had trouble keeping up with those guys and that had NOTHING to do with Doc.

i called for him to make the move House also....but blaming this on Doc not getting Sam with the starters during the final weeks of the regular season is ridiculous.

Doc's priorities for the final weeks were the right one's and that included getting the starters rest while keeping them fresh too....

there was simply no way to get Sam time with the starters the way is being called for without disturbing the other priorities and there is no evidence that that is even a problem...

So preparing the guy you planned on using as the back up PG and possible down the stretch in certain games in not a priority? 

Sam averaged 21 MPG in April.....and there is no evidence that any of the reasons for not playing him have anything to do with not playing enough with the starters...

he simply was a bad matchup in the CLE series and that is why House needed to be plugged back in...

[wdleehi]

well it wasn't their driving that was the problem. it was their running off of screens and getting clean looks at three's. and yeah, Sam had trouble keeping up with those guys and that had NOTHING to do with Doc.

i called for him to make the move House also....but blaming this on Doc not getting Sam with the starters during the final weeks of the regular season is ridiculous.

Doc's priorities for the final weeks were the right one's and that included getting the starters rest while keeping them fresh too....

there was simply no way to get Sam time with the starters the way is being called for without disturbing the other priorities and there is no evidence that that is even a problem...

So preparing the guy you planned on using as the back up PG and possible down the stretch in certain games in not a priority? 

He didn't say it wasn't a priority, but there were other priorities that were more imporant than this one. And once gain, having Cassell play with the starters more during the season, wouldn't have solved ANY of the Cassell problems during the playoffs, especially when he has been playing mostly with bench players anyways. That he plays maybe with one more starter than usual should not be that big of a factor as you guys are making it out to be, especially when you consider the style of play Cassell plays anyways.

You don't like Doc's rotations? Fine. You don't like his bench units? Fine, but that has NOTHING to do with Cassell's struggles. These are two seperate issues, and one is not the cause of the other. House rarely played with the starters, and didn't play at all during the playoffs, yet he came in and performed really well with the starters anyways. There are other things going on here, there's little relation between Cassell's struggles and the way Doc prepared him during the season.

Then why didn't Cassell struggle with the Clippers? 


He isn't prepared to play with Pierce, KG, and Ray.  He doesn't understand the offense and defense as well as he should and could. 

[Brickowski]

Cassell sucks.  He can't defend a chair, he doesn't know the offense and all he does is shoot and miss.  The best thing to do at this point would be to sit him down and dress Scalabrine, who could probably do a better job of defending the other team's point guard than Cassell.

[winsomme]

well it wasn't their driving that was the problem. it was their running off of screens and getting clean looks at three's. and yeah, Sam had trouble keeping up with those guys and that had NOTHING to do with Doc.

i called for him to make the move House also....but blaming this on Doc not getting Sam with the starters during the final weeks of the regular season is ridiculous.

Doc's priorities for the final weeks were the right one's and that included getting the starters rest while keeping them fresh too....

there was simply no way to get Sam time with the starters the way is being called for without disturbing the other priorities and there is no evidence that that is even a problem...

So preparing the guy you planned on using as the back up PG and possible down the stretch in certain games in not a priority? 

He didn't say it wasn't a priority, but there were other priorities that were more imporant than this one. And once gain, having Cassell play with the starters more during the season, wouldn't have solved ANY of the Cassell problems during the playoffs, especially when he has been playing mostly with bench players anyways. That he plays maybe with one more starter than usual should not be that big of a factor as you guys are making it out to be, especially when you consider the style of play Cassell plays anyways.

You don't like Doc's rotations? Fine. You don't like his bench units? Fine, but that has NOTHING to do with Cassell's struggles. These are two seperate issues, and one is not the cause of the other. House rarely played with the starters, and didn't play at all during the playoffs, yet he came in and performed really well with the starters anyways. There are other things going on here, there's little relation between Cassell's struggles and the way Doc prepared him during the season.

Then why didn't Cassell struggle with the Clippers? 


He isn't prepared to play with Pierce, KG, and Ray.  He doesn't understand the offense and defense as well as he should and could. 

i think you are simply not seeing the true reason that Sam isn't playing right now.....

i actaully think he would be fine in this series. certainly more so than the last one, but why take out Eddie when he seems to be playing so well....

again, Sam not being able to keep up with GIbson and DWest had nothing to do with getting time with the starters....

[crownsy]

I completly disagree, not prepharing players for the roles they play is a coaching issue.

Should sam be playing better? sure, and alot of thats on him, but give me a break with this "its not doc's fault sam was unprephared/ didn't preform"

I'm no doc basher, im pretty neutral, i think the man does alot of things well (team chemistry, rotations these last 4 games have been pretty good, even in the game 6 loss, riding hot hands for minutes= good) but that doesn't mean every legitimate issue brought up is automaticly moot because its some kind of biased doc bash.

and win, as roy pointed out, you do tend to take peoples points and twist them into something they never ment, and then critique that opinion. Just to my post about the last 3 weeks rotations, you qouted it, talked about something i never actually said in the post, and preoceeded to dismiss it based on the fact that the point you said it made is invalid.

If i had made the point you turned the qoute into, i would agree, but i never came close to saying they should have played sam more mintues because rondo needed rest, no where in that entire post did i make that arguemnt, yet you qouted it, said i had, and then ignored my subsequent post saying that wasen't the argument.


should sam be playing better? of course he should, that doesn't make doc immune to critism on a legitmate issue, nor does it mean when an issue is raised, that person hates doc.

[BudweiserCeltic]

well it wasn't their driving that was the problem. it was their running off of screens and getting clean looks at three's. and yeah, Sam had trouble keeping up with those guys and that had NOTHING to do with Doc.

i called for him to make the move House also....but blaming this on Doc not getting Sam with the starters during the final weeks of the regular season is ridiculous.

Doc's priorities for the final weeks were the right one's and that included getting the starters rest while keeping them fresh too....

there was simply no way to get Sam time with the starters the way is being called for without disturbing the other priorities and there is no evidence that that is even a problem...

So preparing the guy you planned on using as the back up PG and possible down the stretch in certain games in not a priority? 

He didn't say it wasn't a priority, but there were other priorities that were more imporant than this one. And once gain, having Cassell play with the starters more during the season, wouldn't have solved ANY of the Cassell problems during the playoffs, especially when he has been playing mostly with bench players anyways. That he plays maybe with one more starter than usual should not be that big of a factor as you guys are making it out to be, especially when you consider the style of play Cassell plays anyways.

You don't like Doc's rotations? Fine. You don't like his bench units? Fine, but that has NOTHING to do with Cassell's struggles. These are two seperate issues, and one is not the cause of the other. House rarely played with the starters, and didn't play at all during the playoffs, yet he came in and performed really well with the starters anyways. There are other things going on here, there's little relation between Cassell's struggles and the way Doc prepared him during the season.

Then why didn't Cassell struggle with the Clippers? 


He isn't prepared to play with Pierce, KG, and Ray.  He doesn't understand the offense and defense as well as he should and could. 

Wow, how come Ray is struggling now despite having his best season with Seattle? Maybe it's because he didn't play much with the starters?

Cassell isn't capable of playing our offense, that's why with him we play things he knows how to do because it was quite apparent that he wasn't capable of adapting to our style of play.  When we did that, he started playing better.  The difference is that in the playoffs his scoring has been incosistent, which is the ONLY reason he's there and that's the only expectation people had of him. If his shot isn't falling, he looks like crap.  Nothing to do with the offensive system, that's simple the way Cassell has always played. He's had a ton of good looks during the playoffs, he simply hasn't made the shots... and you also have to factor in that he has been banged up quite a bit, which makes him even more streakier.

[crownsy]

well it wasn't their driving that was the problem. it was their running off of screens and getting clean looks at three's. and yeah, Sam had trouble keeping up with those guys and that had NOTHING to do with Doc.

i called for him to make the move House also....but blaming this on Doc not getting Sam with the starters during the final weeks of the regular season is ridiculous.

Doc's priorities for the final weeks were the right one's and that included getting the starters rest while keeping them fresh too....

there was simply no way to get Sam time with the starters the way is being called for without disturbing the other priorities and there is no evidence that that is even a problem...

So preparing the guy you planned on using as the back up PG and possible down the stretch in certain games in not a priority? 

He didn't say it wasn't a priority, but there were other priorities that were more imporant than this one. And once gain, having Cassell play with the starters more during the season, wouldn't have solved ANY of the Cassell problems during the playoffs, especially when he has been playing mostly with bench players anyways. That he plays maybe with one more starter than usual should not be that big of a factor as you guys are making it out to be, especially when you consider the style of play Cassell plays anyways.

You don't like Doc's rotations? Fine. You don't like his bench units? Fine, but that has NOTHING to do with Cassell's struggles. These are two seperate issues, and one is not the cause of the other. House rarely played with the starters, and didn't play at all during the playoffs, yet he came in and performed really well with the starters anyways. There are other things going on here, there's little relation between Cassell's struggles and the way Doc prepared him during the season.

Then why didn't Cassell struggle with the Clippers? 


He isn't prepared to play with Pierce, KG, and Ray.  He doesn't understand the offense and defense as well as he should and could. 

i think you are simply not seeing the true reason that Sam isn't playing right now.....

i actaully think he would be fine in this series. certainly more so than the last one, but why take out Eddie when he seems to be playing so well....

again, Sam not being able to keep up with GIbson and DWest had nothing to do with getting time with the starters....

and again, no one made that point. the point made was that if sam struggles with inferior driving PG's, he will be hard pressed in this series to gaurd chauncy.

what did have to do with not playing with the starters, a bit at least, is after that PG got by him, sam often had zero idea where his help was. He often forced gibson in particular away from KG, instead of pushing him back to the paint where his help was.

the point made about sam not playing with the starters was that he often looked out of rythem. i dont really find it suprising in the least that his best games, games 1 and 2 in clevland, most of his offensive outbursts came with ray and 3 bench players on the floor. he knows those guys, and knows how to use thier games with his own.

[winsomme]

I completly disagree, not prepharing players for the roles they play is a coaching issue.

Should sam be playing better? sure, and alot of thats on him, but give me a break with this "its not doc's fault sam was unprephared/ didn't preform"

I'm no doc basher, im pretty neutral, i think the man does alot of things well (team chemistry, rotations these last 4 games have been pretty good, even in the game 6 loss, riding hot hands for minutes= good) but that doesn't mean every legitimate issue brought up is automaticly moot because its some kind of biased doc bash.

and win, as roy pointed out, you do tend to take peoples points and twist them into something they never ment, and then critique that opinion. Just to my post about the last 3 weeks rotations, you qouted it, talked about something i never actually said in the post, and preoceeded to dismiss it based on the fact that the point you said it made is invalid.

If i had made the point you turned the qoute into, i would agree, but i never came close to saying they should have played sam more mintues because rondo needed rest, no where in that entire post did i make that arguemnt, yet you qouted it, said i had, and then ignored my subsequent post saying that wasen't the argument.


should sam be playing better? of course he should, that doesn't make doc immune to critism on a legitmate issue, nor does it mean when an issue is raised, that person hates doc.

what point did i not address?

plus, these debates are not new. nor are many of the participants.....there is a long-standing state for many here that anything that can be criticized will be traced somehow back to Doc.

and claiming that Sam mostly looking for his shot is somehow Doc's fault because he didn't play him more with the starters is definitely in this same vein...

Sam is playing the same way he has played his whole career.....and no amount of time with the starters was going to help him keep up with Gibson and DWest in that last series..

[BudweiserCeltic]

well it wasn't their driving that was the problem. it was their running off of screens and getting clean looks at three's. and yeah, Sam had trouble keeping up with those guys and that had NOTHING to do with Doc.

i called for him to make the move House also....but blaming this on Doc not getting Sam with the starters during the final weeks of the regular season is ridiculous.

Doc's priorities for the final weeks were the right one's and that included getting the starters rest while keeping them fresh too....

there was simply no way to get Sam time with the starters the way is being called for without disturbing the other priorities and there is no evidence that that is even a problem...

So preparing the guy you planned on using as the back up PG and possible down the stretch in certain games in not a priority? 

He didn't say it wasn't a priority, but there were other priorities that were more imporant than this one. And once gain, having Cassell play with the starters more during the season, wouldn't have solved ANY of the Cassell problems during the playoffs, especially when he has been playing mostly with bench players anyways. That he plays maybe with one more starter than usual should not be that big of a factor as you guys are making it out to be, especially when you consider the style of play Cassell plays anyways.

You don't like Doc's rotations? Fine. You don't like his bench units? Fine, but that has NOTHING to do with Cassell's struggles. These are two seperate issues, and one is not the cause of the other. House rarely played with the starters, and didn't play at all during the playoffs, yet he came in and performed really well with the starters anyways. There are other things going on here, there's little relation between Cassell's struggles and the way Doc prepared him during the season.

Then why didn't Cassell struggle with the Clippers? 


He isn't prepared to play with Pierce, KG, and Ray.  He doesn't understand the offense and defense as well as he should and could. 

i think you are simply not seeing the true reason that Sam isn't playing right now.....

i actaully think he would be fine in this series. certainly more so than the last one, but why take out Eddie when he seems to be playing so well....

again, Sam not being able to keep up with GIbson and DWest had nothing to do with getting time with the starters....

and again, no one made that point. the point made was that if sam struggles with inferior driving PG's, he will be hard pressed in this series to gaurd chauncy.

what did have to do with not playing with the starters, a bit at least, is after that PG got by him, sam often had zero idea where his help was. He often forced gibson in particular away from KG, instead of pushing him back to the paint where his help was.

the point made about sam not playing with the starters was that he often looked out of rythem. i dont really find it suprising in the least that his best games, games 1 and 2 in clevland, most of his offensive outbursts came with ray and 3 bench players on the floor. he knows those guys, and knows how to use thier games with his own.

Don't you see the contradiction? He has been playing with most of the bench ANYWAYS during the playoffs, so it has nothing to do with the starters. He has struggled with the bench just the same. He's the one that screwing up, and the way he plays the game, the way he has always played the game, if he is screwing up he takes everyone else with him. Everyone knows what Cassell is about. Everyone knows that depending on the day he can shoot you into or out of the game. That's his style of play, and it's the only way he's effective.

[winsomme]

well it wasn't their driving that was the problem. it was their running off of screens and getting clean looks at three's. and yeah, Sam had trouble keeping up with those guys and that had NOTHING to do with Doc.

i called for him to make the move House also....but blaming this on Doc not getting Sam with the starters during the final weeks of the regular season is ridiculous.

Doc's priorities for the final weeks were the right one's and that included getting the starters rest while keeping them fresh too....

there was simply no way to get Sam time with the starters the way is being called for without disturbing the other priorities and there is no evidence that that is even a problem...

So preparing the guy you planned on using as the back up PG and possible down the stretch in certain games in not a priority? 

He didn't say it wasn't a priority, but there were other priorities that were more imporant than this one. And once gain, having Cassell play with the starters more during the season, wouldn't have solved ANY of the Cassell problems during the playoffs, especially when he has been playing mostly with bench players anyways. That he plays maybe with one more starter than usual should not be that big of a factor as you guys are making it out to be, especially when you consider the style of play Cassell plays anyways.

You don't like Doc's rotations? Fine. You don't like his bench units? Fine, but that has NOTHING to do with Cassell's struggles. These are two seperate issues, and one is not the cause of the other. House rarely played with the starters, and didn't play at all during the playoffs, yet he came in and performed really well with the starters anyways. There are other things going on here, there's little relation between Cassell's struggles and the way Doc prepared him during the season.

Then why didn't Cassell struggle with the Clippers? 


He isn't prepared to play with Pierce, KG, and Ray.  He doesn't understand the offense and defense as well as he should and could. 

i think you are simply not seeing the true reason that Sam isn't playing right now.....

i actaully think he would be fine in this series. certainly more so than the last one, but why take out Eddie when he seems to be playing so well....

again, Sam not being able to keep up with GIbson and DWest had nothing to do with getting time with the starters....

and again, no one made that point. the point made was that if sam struggles with inferior driving PG's, he will be hard pressed in this series to gaurd chauncy.

what did have to do with not playing with the starters, a bit at least, is after that PG got by him, sam often had zero idea where his help was. He often forced gibson in particular away from KG, instead of pushing him back to the paint where his help was.

the point made about sam not playing with the starters was that he often looked out of rythem. i dont really find it suprising in the least that his best games, games 1 and 2 in clevland, most of his offensive outbursts came with ray and 3 bench players on the floor. he knows those guys, and knows how to use thier games with his own.

now you are twisting the debate....

you inserted the idea of Sam getting beat off the dribble being the reason for Sam's defensive struggles....

he played 16 MPG in March and 21 MPG in April.....there is no way that he should have gotten more time than that....and to get him more time with starters would have been at the expense of THEIR rest and simply not as important...

the time he spent on the court, they were running the same sets.... attributing him not knowing the sets to him not playing with the starters is also absurd...

[crownsy]

win- In response to my post about sam not getting time with the starters, you decided to qoute MPG going up for the bench, which in fact, if anything, proved my point that doc played him with the bench to much.

You also didn't adresses my 2 points in a subsequent post about sam being hurt by not playing with the starters, though bud adressed one for you since then.

bud- no, i don't see the contridiction, becuse what your saying is false. outside of those 2 games, most of the time Sam has been on the floor it's been with KG and ray, and sometimes pierce as well. Just because he played with the bench in games 1 and 2 doesn't make something a contridiction. while i do agree that his game doesn't suit our style, who was running him out there until game 6?

you can't have it both ways, if sam's sturggles have nothing at all to do with doc, as you both claim, that doesn't make doc immune to critics pointing out that he stuck with him for 3 pivital games, and completly changed his role from the end of the season to game 1 of the playoffs. keeping players in when they aren't preforming is a coaching decision too.

what i find suprising in all these posts is the idea that doc needs to be above critiscm for cassell. thats uterly false. what is true however, is that doc should be givin credit for realizing that he was wrong, and going back to eddie. Thats a good coaching decision.

But, for the most part, the critisms of doc have been warnted, that doesn't mean there 100% right, but to act like there personal unwarrented attacks at doc? I don't see it, and as i said, im pretty even keel on doc i'd like to think, i praise him when he makes good calls (i think he's doing a good job since game 5, even in game 6 i felt like he made the right calls, we just didnt hit shots.) but i also call things like i see them with doc, and he's made several mistakes with regards to sam and eddie.

[wdleehi]

now you are twisting the debate....

you inserted the idea of Sam getting beat off the dribble being the reason for Sam's defensive struggles....

he played 16 MPG in March and 21 MPG in April.....there is no way that he should have gotten more time than that....and to get him more time with starters would have been at the expense of THEIR rest and simply not as important...

the time he spent on the court, they were running the same sets.... attributing him not knowing the sets to him not playing with the starters is also absurd...

Now that is funny.


First, I state that I think they did a terrible job of preparing Cassell to play in the playoffs by not getting him enough time with the starters.


You first try to twist it to
'You want Cassell to start.'

after that is blown out of the water, you are now trying to twist it to
'You wanted Cassell to play more minutes.'


I suggest you try reading the other poster posts again and this time, read what they said and not what you want to twist it into. 


Until then, this argument is pointless. 

[crownsy]

well it wasn't their driving that was the problem. it was their running off of screens and getting clean looks at three's. and yeah, Sam had trouble keeping up with those guys and that had NOTHING to do with Doc.

i called for him to make the move House also....but blaming this on Doc not getting Sam with the starters during the final weeks of the regular season is ridiculous.

Doc's priorities for the final weeks were the right one's and that included getting the starters rest while keeping them fresh too....

there was simply no way to get Sam time with the starters the way is being called for without disturbing the other priorities and there is no evidence that that is even a problem...

So preparing the guy you planned on using as the back up PG and possible down the stretch in certain games in not a priority? 

He didn't say it wasn't a priority, but there were other priorities that were more imporant than this one. And once gain, having Cassell play with the starters more during the season, wouldn't have solved ANY of the Cassell problems during the playoffs, especially when he has been playing mostly with bench players anyways. That he plays maybe with one more starter than usual should not be that big of a factor as you guys are making it out to be, especially when you consider the style of play Cassell plays anyways.

You don't like Doc's rotations? Fine. You don't like his bench units? Fine, but that has NOTHING to do with Cassell's struggles. These are two seperate issues, and one is not the cause of the other. House rarely played with the starters, and didn't play at all during the playoffs, yet he came in and performed really well with the starters anyways. There are other things going on here, there's little relation between Cassell's struggles and the way Doc prepared him during the season.

Then why didn't Cassell struggle with the Clippers? 


He isn't prepared to play with Pierce, KG, and Ray.  He doesn't understand the offense and defense as well as he should and could. 

i think you are simply not seeing the true reason that Sam isn't playing right now.....

i actaully think he would be fine in this series. certainly more so than the last one, but why take out Eddie when he seems to be playing so well....

again, Sam not being able to keep up with GIbson and DWest had nothing to do with getting time with the starters....

and again, no one made that point. the point made was that if sam struggles with inferior driving PG's, he will be hard pressed in this series to gaurd chauncy.

what did have to do with not playing with the starters, a bit at least, is after that PG got by him, sam often had zero idea where his help was. He often forced gibson in particular away from KG, instead of pushing him back to the paint where his help was.

the point made about sam not playing with the starters was that he often looked out of rythem. i dont really find it suprising in the least that his best games, games 1 and 2 in clevland, most of his offensive outbursts came with ray and 3 bench players on the floor. he knows those guys, and knows how to use thier games with his own.

now you are twisting the debate....

you inserted the idea of Sam getting beat off the dribble being the reason for Sam's defensive struggles....

he played 16 MPG in March and 21 MPG in April.....there is no way that he should have gotten more time than that....and to get him more time with starters would have been at the expense of THEIR rest and simply not as important...

the time he spent on the court, they were running the same sets.... attributing him not knowing the sets to him not playing with the starters is also absurd...

and now your twisting your own words to try to hurt my argument, in your response to my orignial post about sam and the starters, you told me that the starters in general, and rondo in partcular, didn't need extra rest during the season, and that sitting rondo to put sam out with starters would only have hurt rondo, in particular that he needed every minute he could get because he's only a second year PG. i agree with that btw, but i don't see how sam's total minutes relate one iota to who he was on the floor with.

and again, your MPG qoutes don't actually adress the point at all. i could care less if he was out there for 8 minutes, its who he was out there with that we were discussing, and you've done nothing to address that fact.

and i didn't attrubute him not knowing the sets to the starters, i said he didn't ahve a feel for thier games. that has nothing to do with the sets, and everything to do with playing together.

[BudweiserCeltic]

bud- no, i don't see the contridiction, becuse what your saying is false. outside of those 2 games, most of the time Sam has been on the floor it's been with KG and ray, and sometimes pierce as well. Just because he played with the bench in games 1 and 2 doesn't make something a contridiction. while i do agree that his game doesn't suit our style, who was running him out there until game 6?

That's completely false, most of the times he has been there with Powe/Davis, Posey, PJ and maybe either Pierce or Ray.  At most he has been with two of our starters, that's hardly playing with our starters.  Most nights he has stuck around to play with more starters has been on nights that he has either been playing good (which would make the point moot) or when Rondo is simply not performing and Doc sticks with Cassell to see if he can shoot us into the game somehow.  Yes, that Rondo who is still inconsistent in the playoffs even after playing the WHOLE season with our starters and in his own right should be better at running our offense.

About running him there until game 6, is a complete different complaint and issue all together. And I've said it before, I understand this complaint and agree with it to an extent. The only thing I said about this issue is that House wasn't the clear-cut answer as many here have made it out to be.

you can't have it both ways, if sam's sturggles have nothing at all to do with doc, as you both claim, that doesn't make doc immune to critics pointing out that he stuck with him for 3 pivital games, and completly changed his role from the end of the season to game 1 of the playoffs. keeping players in when they aren't preforming is a coaching decision too.

Again, two different issues. It's one thing to say that Cassell is struggling because of Doc, and that Doc has left a struggling Cassell there too long. But I also point out our long discussion about how Rondo himself hasn't been consistent, which has enabled Cassell to play more. And once again, House is not the clear cut answer, especially when Cassell comes in with a couple of game saving plays in the playoffs. It regains trust on him and faith in him, and he has surely warranted that faith because of his career. It wasn't clear cut then, it isn't now. House has been playing extremely well though, and it should be his spot to lose. With that said, he was highly unffective against Detroit, so there's still some lingering doubt there.

what i find suprising in all these posts is the idea that doc needs to be above critiscm for cassell. thats uterly false. what is true however, is that doc should be givin credit for realizing that he was wrong, and going back to eddie. Thats a good coaching decision.

Main problem is that they're making Cassell's struggles seem as if it was entirely Doc's fault. It's completely untrue, especially when you see the way he has been shooting and how he has been missing a ton of makeable shots. That's not on Doc. It has always been that way with Cassell, throughout his whole career

[winsomme]

now you are twisting the debate....

you inserted the idea of Sam getting beat off the dribble being the reason for Sam's defensive struggles....

he played 16 MPG in March and 21 MPG in April.....there is no way that he should have gotten more time than that....and to get him more time with starters would have been at the expense of THEIR rest and simply not as important...

the time he spent on the court, they were running the same sets.... attributing him not knowing the sets to him not playing with the starters is also absurd...

Now that is funny.


First, I state that I think they did a terrible job of preparing Cassell to play in the playoffs by not getting him enough time with the starters.


You first try to twist it to
'You want Cassell to start.'

after that is blown out of the water, you are now trying to twist it to
'You wanted Cassell to play more minutes.'


I suggest you try reading the other poster posts again and this time, read what they said and not what you want to twist it into. 


Until then, this argument is pointless. 

if you actually read all the posts you would see that i made the MPG argument at the beginning and this debate was pointless from the get-go based on your stance that Sam being a shooter was somehow Doc's fault because he didn't get him enough time with the starters..

it flies in the face of Sam's entire career. he has ALWAYS looked for his shot first and no amount of time with the starters was going to change that.

playing with the starters also was not going to help Sam stay with Gibson or DWest in the CLE series which is the reason that he was ultimately pulled from the series...