Nobody Tell Me Officiating Didn't Decide This One

[Scintan]

I disagree with you. Davis did not take bad shots. He grabbed offensive boards, and put the ball right back up. Thats not bad. He got banged every time, so he missed. No calls. Thats on the refs.

He didn't deserve calls, and his shots were terrible. 

are you kidding? you all right? wait did a ref from last nights game hijack scintan's account. Come on he deserved atleast a few calls under the basket, and I didn't see him taking any bad shots, they were all within 5 ft of the hoop. You know. The type of shots you want someone like baby taking.

Actually, shots within 5 feet of the hoop while surrounded by taller and better athletes are exactly the shots you do not want Davis taking if he can't create space.  And how did he 'deserve' a few calls?  It certainly wasn't because of some blatant foul not being called.

[Yakmanev]

I disagree with you. Davis did not take bad shots. He grabbed offensive boards, and put the ball right back up. Thats not bad. He got banged every time, so he missed. No calls. Thats on the refs.

He didn't deserve calls, and his shots were terrible. 

are you kidding? you all right? wait did a ref from last nights game hijack scintan's account. Come on he deserved atleast a few calls under the basket, and I didn't see him taking any bad shots, they were all within 5 ft of the hoop. You know. The type of shots you want someone like baby taking.

Actually, shots within 5 feet of the hoop while surrounded by taller and better athletes are exactly the shots you do not want Davis taking.  And how did he 'deserve' a few calls?  It certainly wasn't because of some blatant foul not being called.

The way I look at it is this, When Big Baby got fouled it was more obvious than when James got fouled.

[BballTim]

I disagree with you. Davis did not take bad shots. He grabbed offensive boards, and put the ball right back up. Thats not bad. He got banged every time, so he missed. No calls. Thats on the refs.

He didn't deserve calls, and his shots were terrible. 

are you kidding? you all right? wait did a ref from last nights game hijack scintan's account. Come on he deserved atleast a few calls under the basket, and I didn't see him taking any bad shots, they were all within 5 ft of the hoop. You know. The type of shots you want someone like baby taking.

Actually, shots within 5 feet of the hoop while surrounded by taller and better athletes are exactly the shots you do not want Davis taking.  And how did he 'deserve' a few calls?  It certainly wasn't because of some blatant foul not being called.

  I thought one blatant call (if I'm remembering correctly) was Davis getting an offensive board, missing the putback, getting his own rebound, and before he got the second putback off Wallace jumped up and bumped Davis with his chest before he hit the ground. How can that not be a foul? Also, Davis got screwed when they called him for the foul when he stole that pass going to Z. All in all, though, I didn't think he played well enough to merit the number of minutes he got.

[wdleehi]

The only reason the officials were able to effect the out come of the game was the Celtics played so bad on offense (and on the boards)


Despite all the help, Cleveland only scored 74 points.


Celtics offense just show up.  Take the game out of the officials hands. 

[Roy Hobbs]

The only reason the officials were able to effect the out come of the game was the Celtics played so bad on offense (and on the boards)


Despite all the help, Cleveland only scored 74 points.


Celtics offense just show up.  Take the game out of the officials hands. 

I was just going to post this exact same thing.  Weird.

If the Celtics took care of business, the refs wouldn't have been in a position to screw us.  And I'm getting a little tired of the "the refs cost us the game" mentality.

No, the refs didn't cost us the game.  The refs cost us a realistic opportunity to come back.  We got royally screwed in the final three minutes; there were multiple bad calls, all of them going against Boston.  Anybody who doesn't admit that is lying.

However, that being said, even if all those calls go in our favor there's no guarantee we win the game.  We were still behind, due to our poor play.  The refs cost us our chance, but the team never should have been in that situation to start with.

[Scintan]

The only reason the officials were able to effect the out come of the game was the Celtics played so bad on offense (and on the boards)


Despite all the help, Cleveland only scored 74 points.


Celtics offense just show up.  Take the game out of the officials hands. 

I was just going to post this exact same thing.  Weird.

If the Celtics took care of business, the refs wouldn't have been in a position to screw us.  And I'm getting a little tired of the "the refs cost us the game" mentality.

No, the refs didn't cost us the game.  The refs cost us a realistic opportunity to come back.  We got royally screwed in the final three minutes; there were multiple bad calls, all of them going against Boston.  Anybody who doesn't admit that is lying.

However, that being said, even if all those calls go in our favor there's no guarantee we win the game.  We were still behind, due to our poor play.  The refs cost us our chance, but the team never should have been in that situation to start with.

Bingo..... there was plenty of blame to go around in this one.

[angryguy77]

The only reason the officials were able to effect the out come of the game was the Celtics played so bad on offense (and on the boards)


Despite all the help, Cleveland only scored 74 points.


Celtics offense just show up.  Take the game out of the officials hands. 

I agree that they needed to play better. But to what extent? Unless they played the perfect game, there was no way they were going to win that one. Not very often can people say that it was the refs fault and be legitamet. But in this case its 100% valid. It's almost impossible to have a well executed game when you are not allowed to get any momentume going which was the case last night. They were playing well enough to win in the 2nd until cleveland was allowed to shoot their way back into it via the foul line.
Sure we have all seen bad called games, but this is the absolute worse one I have seen in a long time.


This games officiating was actually based on the movie "The Longest Yard"

[The MadLad]

i agree that the celts could of done things differently to win the game and help make the officials a non-factor. but im from the belief that the officials should NEVER be a factor in the game to begin with. i expect all teams to make mistakes, miss shots, miss assignments, play the wrong players, ect. thats part of the game.
but i dont expect the officials to consistently miss or make the wrong calls throughout a game.
and for them to make these calls consistently for an entire series is absolutely inexcusable. it shows that there is a pattern of mistakes. which then goes to the fact that the REAL problem isnt missed calls, but that the officials have a different idea of how the game should be played.
That is a major major problem. especially when they are 8 months removed from a NBA officiating scandal.

[wdleehi]

i agree that the celts could of done things differently to win the game and help make the officials a non-factor. but im from the belief that the officials should NEVER be a factor in the game to begin with. i expect all teams to make mistakes, miss shots, miss assignments, play the wrong players, ect. thats part of the game.
but i dont expect the officials to consistently miss or make the wrong calls throughout a game.
and for them to make these calls consistently for an entire series is absolutely inexcusable. it shows that there is a pattern of mistakes. which then goes to the fact that the REAL problem isnt missed calls, but that the officials have a different idea of how the game should be played.
That is a major major problem. especially when they are 8 months removed from a NBA officiating scandal.

I agree it is a major problem.  But it is a problem that is not going away.


It is up to teams (like Boston) to play well enough that they take away much of the officials power to effect the outcome. 

[angryguy77]

i agree that the celts could of done things differently to win the game and help make the officials a non-factor. but im from the belief that the officials should NEVER be a factor in the game to begin with. i expect all teams to make mistakes, miss shots, miss assignments, play the wrong players, ect. thats part of the game.
but i dont expect the officials to consistently miss or make the wrong calls throughout a game.
and for them to make these calls consistently for an entire series is absolutely inexcusable. it shows that there is a pattern of mistakes. which then goes to the fact that the REAL problem isnt missed calls, but that the officials have a different idea of how the game should be played.
That is a major major problem. especially when they are 8 months removed from a NBA officiating scandal.

That is my exact point. Unless you play nearly perfect, no team no matter how good they are can over come this kind of officiating. You are always going to have a few bad calls becasue the refs are human after all, but you should never have this many in one game. This was the type of game that you don't have to be above blaming the refs

[wdleehi]

i agree that the celts could of done things differently to win the game and help make the officials a non-factor. but im from the belief that the officials should NEVER be a factor in the game to begin with. i expect all teams to make mistakes, miss shots, miss assignments, play the wrong players, ect. thats part of the game.
but i dont expect the officials to consistently miss or make the wrong calls throughout a game.
and for them to make these calls consistently for an entire series is absolutely inexcusable. it shows that there is a pattern of mistakes. which then goes to the fact that the REAL problem isnt missed calls, but that the officials have a different idea of how the game should be played.
That is a major major problem. especially when they are 8 months removed from a NBA officiating scandal.

That is my exact point. Unless you play nearly perfect, no team no matter how good they are can over come this kind of officiating. You are always going to have a few bad calls becasue the refs are human after all, but you should never have this many in one game. This was the type of game that you don't have to be above blaming the refs

Celtics could have easily over came this last night. 


Hit three shots.  Shoot a % the offense is capable to hit on an average night. 



With all that help. Cleveland still only managed 74 points. 

[angryguy77]

i agree that the celts could of done things differently to win the game and help make the officials a non-factor. but im from the belief that the officials should NEVER be a factor in the game to begin with. i expect all teams to make mistakes, miss shots, miss assignments, play the wrong players, ect. thats part of the game.
but i dont expect the officials to consistently miss or make the wrong calls throughout a game.
and for them to make these calls consistently for an entire series is absolutely inexcusable. it shows that there is a pattern of mistakes. which then goes to the fact that the REAL problem isnt missed calls, but that the officials have a different idea of how the game should be played.
That is a major major problem. especially when they are 8 months removed from a NBA officiating scandal.

I agree it is a major problem.  But it is a problem that is not going away.


It is up to teams (like Boston) to play well enough that they take away much of the officials power to effect the outcome. 

If they have to play through another game like that, then they are finished....That is unless you have 5 MJ's out there.

[Roy Hobbs]

i agree that the celts could of done things differently to win the game and help make the officials a non-factor. but im from the belief that the officials should NEVER be a factor in the game to begin with. i expect all teams to make mistakes, miss shots, miss assignments, play the wrong players, ect. thats part of the game.
but i dont expect the officials to consistently miss or make the wrong calls throughout a game.
and for them to make these calls consistently for an entire series is absolutely inexcusable. it shows that there is a pattern of mistakes. which then goes to the fact that the REAL problem isnt missed calls, but that the officials have a different idea of how the game should be played.
That is a major major problem. especially when they are 8 months removed from a NBA officiating scandal.

I agree it is a major problem.  But it is a problem that is not going away.


It is up to teams (like Boston) to play well enough that they take away much of the officials power to effect the outcome. 

If they have to play through another game like that, then they are finished....That is unless you have 5 MJ's out there.

You don't need five MJs.  What you need is at least 1/3 of our team to play an average game.

Paul, Ray, Perk, Rondo, BBD, Posey, and P.J. all had poor-to-terrible games (only Perk shot over 40%, and he had four points and three rebounds).  Only KG and Eddie played reasonably well.  That's just not going to get it done.

[NoraG1]

The only reason the officials were able to effect the out come of the game was the Celtics played so bad on offense (and on the boards)


Despite all the help, Cleveland only scored 74 points.


Celtics offense just show up.  Take the game out of the officials hands. 

Not as if the Cavs played stellar though either. My problem is that a game should be decided by players (no matter the score and how well/or bad they are playing) not by the refs. That is not their job.

[angryguy77]

i agree that the celts could of done things differently to win the game and help make the officials a non-factor. but im from the belief that the officials should NEVER be a factor in the game to begin with. i expect all teams to make mistakes, miss shots, miss assignments, play the wrong players, ect. thats part of the game.
but i dont expect the officials to consistently miss or make the wrong calls throughout a game.
and for them to make these calls consistently for an entire series is absolutely inexcusable. it shows that there is a pattern of mistakes. which then goes to the fact that the REAL problem isnt missed calls, but that the officials have a different idea of how the game should be played.
That is a major major problem. especially when they are 8 months removed from a NBA officiating scandal.

I agree it is a major problem.  But it is a problem that is not going away.


It is up to teams (like Boston) to play well enough that they take away much of the officials power to effect the outcome. 

If they have to play through another game like that, then they are finished....That is unless you have 5 MJ's out there.

You don't need five MJs.  What you need is at least 1/3 of our team to play an average game.

Paul, Ray, Perk, Rondo, BBD, Posey, and P.J. all had poor-to-terrible games (only Perk shot over 40%, and he had four points and three rebounds).  Only KG and Eddie played reasonably well.  That's just not going to get it done.

Yes and a few of them were put into foul trouble early not allowing them to get any sort of rythem going. You can't play well if your sitting on the bench because of foul trouble. You also can't shoot well when the home team is hacking the crap out of you when your under the basket.

Don't get me wrong, 99% of the time I would agree with you on playing through the calls. But when there are that many, it's too hard for any team to have an offense run smooth and play through the refs.