Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?

[Onslaught]

When I was a kid, my dad use to blast the Celtics for keeping McHale and Parish too long. He'd tell me that if they keep them until they past their prime, their trade value will be nothing. Being a kid, I thought he was stupid because I was being loyal.

Having said that and suffering for nearly 22 years, I say trade Pierce and Allen (in a year or two) and keep a winning team for years to come.

This was my original post about a month ago. And although I admire Pierce, a lot more now then when I posted it, I say trade them. Ray this summer and Paul in about 2 years. The NBA is a business and players get traded. It sometimes hurts as fans, but so does following a losing team for almost 2 decades.

Let's just pretend that Cleveland beat the C's this year. Ray Allen's trade value would be zilch. My big fear is that at Ray's age, he could start declining fast. Next year, he could look like the Cleveland series Ray more and more. At that point Danny would be lucky to get Stephon Marbury for him.

OK, I get the point but to break this team up so soon, I'd need to see something better in return.  I know Ray & KG came with the "can't win" tag before this season, but they brought a little bit more in the success category to the table than any of the Knickerbockers you proposed.

The Knicks thing was only a suggestion and I'd be all for getting something better. The main point is that I don't want Paul, KG, and Ray to play out the rest of their careers as Celtics. I want Danny to trade them, before he can't unload them, so he can make this team a championship contender for years. And I truly believe that this summer is the time to unload Ray.

I'm sorry but that's NOT the Celtic way of doing things. It's one of the reasons I love this team and it's history. Paul will and should retire a Celtic. Would you have traded Bird too?
KG came to this team because of Ray and Paul and we should turn around and dump them? I can live with a 2-3 year run and then another 22 years of sucking if that's what it takes.
 

completely agree about Pierce. He should play every season of his career for Boston. But Ray and KG don't have quite the historical connection, so for them we can balance sentimentality with practicality.

I can see that with Ray and KG. But I don't think this summer is the time to do it with any of them.

[Fan from VT]

Then there are the rumors about boozer, and utah has always needed a real 2-guard:

Chase (Salt Lake City, Utah): Is Boozer going to opt out of his contract after this year? If yes, are there any trade options out there for Boozer?

SportsNation Chad Ford: Yes ... which is why I don't think it's out of the question that the Jazz try to move him. I'm not sure they can afford to re-sign him and his agent Rob Pelinka may be looking for a bigger market anyway.

I may consider Allen and #30 for Boozer and Brewer, if Boozer would agree to a 3-yr extension (with raises)

then utah could move kirilenko back to PF where he belongs and thrives.

[Chief]

Then there are the rumors about boozer, and utah has always needed a real 2-guard:

Chase (Salt Lake City, Utah): Is Boozer going to opt out of his contract after this year? If yes, are there any trade options out there for Boozer?

SportsNation Chad Ford: Yes ... which is why I don't think it's out of the question that the Jazz try to move him. I'm not sure they can afford to re-sign him and his agent Rob Pelinka may be looking for a bigger market anyway.

I may consider Allen and #30 for Boozer and Brewer, if Boozer would agree to a 3-yr extension (with raises)

then utah could move kirilenko back to PF where he belongs and thrives.

That would be a great trade. And I think Ray would work well in Sloan's system.

[Fan from VT]

Considering that Allen is still considered a better individual talent than either diaw or barbosa, and considering that the latter two are under contract a year longer than Allen, I was thinking:

Barbosa, Diaw, #15

for

Allen, #30

This would knock about 2 mil off payroll (4 mill with tax), give us a wider spread of contracts, instead of 3 max's and small ones, would satisfy the pg minutes rondo can't play, would allow us a better chance of nabbing a useful rookie, would make the C's younger, and provide an interesting athletic and versatile player who can defend and likes to pass the ball in diaw.

Why Would Phoenix do that?  Diaw is a very underrated player.  The Celtics should jump as this, but it's not realistic.

I think Diaw is appropriately rated. the whole underrated, then everyone talked about him being underrated more than they should, and the hype has gone back to about where it should be.

Anyway, i was just going off of Ford's reporting that Barbosa and Diaw were being packaged to bring back a vet to pair with Nash, Amare, and Shaq, and seems like allen would provide exactly the position and skills they'd want.

[cordobes]

I hope Danny trades him this summer. His stock is high and the C's need to get younger. If I were Danny I'd be calling Donnie Walsh. He is likely to blow up the Knicks and good players could be had for a pro's pro like Ray.

My trade proposal:

Ray
Perk
Scalabrine

for

Curry
Crawford
Jerome James


I think Curry is an upgrade over Perk (not defensively, but overall), Crawford is close to Ray plus can handle backup pg (and younger) , and James gives us a backup center.

Heck Chief, this is the kind of trade that only Isiah Thomas would do... if he was the Celtics GM! Curry is a very fat man that gives the opponent twice whatever he scores, Crawful is a ballhog who can score, but very inefficiently, in very bad teams and Jerome James can't play anymore.

Going to the point: I think your reasoning is flawed when you say that "the C's need to get younger". At this moment, we don't. We just need to get better. I have no problems in trading anyone, including starters. But this offseason, only for better value. I'd trade Rondo for Paul, Ray for Wade, Paul for LeBron, Garnett for.. I don't know... Duncan, Howard. Next season we can reevaluate the situation.

[Chief]

I hope Danny trades him this summer. His stock is high and the C's need to get younger. If I were Danny I'd be calling Donnie Walsh. He is likely to blow up the Knicks and good players could be had for a pro's pro like Ray.

My trade proposal:

Ray
Perk
Scalabrine

for

Curry
Crawford
Jerome James


I think Curry is an upgrade over Perk (not defensively, but overall), Crawford is close to Ray plus can handle backup pg (and younger) , and James gives us a backup center.

Heck Chief, this is the kind of trade that only Isiah Thomas would do... if he was the Celtics GM! Curry is a very fat man that gives the opponent twice whatever he scores, Crawful is a ballhog who can score, but very inefficiently, in very bad teams and Jerome James can't play anymore.

Going to the point: I think your reasoning is flawed when you say that "the C's need to get younger". At this moment, we don't. We just need to get better.

How are we going to get better? We have an aging team that is over the cap. This year is as good as it gets. And my guess is, we will lose 2-3 of our rotation players. PJ, Cassell, Tony, Eddie, and Posey might be retired or on another team next season.

[zerophase]

even so, no player on the knicks should be welcomed here. we want to promote a winning atmosphere. nothing there can help.

[Brickowski]

even so, no player on the knicks should be welcomed here. we want to promote a winning atmosphere. nothing there can help.

Except David Lee

[fan33]

Maybe my playing days is my bias along with the fact I don't participate in fantasy hoops stuff, so forgive my ignorance to this switching out "pieces" mentality. Perhaps again this is just my ignorance as to what the boards do as part of entertainment. But I do think this teams bonding and jelling together is being overlooked and underappriciated.

So, I'll just leave the thread with my reinterating that one point.

Have fun~

[rondofan1255]

Man, this stuff is more complicating and frustrating than I originally thought during the playoffs as I was sidetracked.

I'm just going to enjoy the draft, and let DA do what he does best, because this is driving me nuts (I.E. all this Posey might be gone, we'll be over cap stuff).

It makes the 17th banner less enjoyable.

[Frontierboy]

I can guarentee that Ray will be traded in his last year...... as will Pierce...... as will Garnett.....

Remember, As a player, Ainge was the one that said Red should have traded Bird and Mchale when they were declining..... now as the GM, Ainge gets to do that with declining stars..... it is a business....

heck, even Ainge got traded away ( to the Suns )

[greenhead85]

Trading Ray Allen just after winning his first NBA title is not a very bright idea.  His awesome talent and wealth of experience is too hard to match. Doc can limit his minutes to get his A-game.

We can get a younger, quicker and taller shooting guard in the draft and let Ray tutor that alternate.  We may even get back Gerald Green to be mentored by Ray. GG will be a big risk but the kid will look up to Ray so he'll be focused and worth a good try.

[Chief]

Man, this stuff is more complicating and frustrating than I originally thought during the playoffs as I was sidetracked.

I'm just going to enjoy the draft, and let DA do what he does best, because this is driving me nuts (I.E. all this Posey might be gone, we'll be over cap stuff).

It makes the 17th banner less enjoyable.

Enjoy the 17th banner, but realize the NBA is a business. Players come and go, but the key is to stay at a championship level for a long time. IMO, trading Ray this summer starts that process.

[CoachBo]

Having just lived the "get younger" idea and watched it reduce this franchise to on-court disaster, I thoroughly disagree that this club needs to get younger.

It needs a rebounding, defensive big guy to play behind Perkins, it needs a scoring point guard behind Rondo and it absolutely has to have Posey back.

Beyond that, leave it alone. We didn't make the moves last summer to tinker with a successful recipe.

[Mr October]

I might want to hold on to Allen until his contract expires. If he resigned at a sever discount, he could be a tremendous weapon off the bench for a few extra years. Plus the C's will need $$ to resign Rondo, get more free agents.

In truth though, it is way to early to make this decision. Lets wait a year and see if any super stars wiggle onto the trade block. Then that expiring contract could be handy...