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Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #105 on: June 20, 2008, 06:18:15 PM »

Offline fairweatherfan06

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Yesterday I responded to this post, but the more I thought about it the more I felt I needed to clarify my thought process regarding this thread and its emergence on the day of the parade following Ray's performance in the finals.

So just to clarify:

I HATE THIS THREAD!!!

ok, now I can take my medication.

This thread is over a month old. If you don't like my take on trading Ray, you should reply back with some information on why the C's should not trade Ray. Or say nothing at all and just skip it. There are many topics that have arguments that I don't agree with, but I always try to counter with well thought out ideas and statistics.

This is a fantasy sports junkie thread. Utter nonsense in the real world filled with real people.

Anyway, why not wait to see how he does two years after double ankle surgery before you trade him for Jamal "Black Hole" Crawford and the Knicks' tag team entry into the Nathan's hot-dog eating contest? He might even continue to get better as the surgery recedes farther into the past--see e.g., hangtime on Game 4 baseline reverse layup.

Good lord...

In two years, when Ray is old and worthless, I think your memories of him may not be so great.


You lost me with that comment Chief.  Old and worthless? Seriously?

Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #106 on: June 20, 2008, 08:40:25 PM »

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Yesterday I responded to this post, but the more I thought about it the more I felt I needed to clarify my thought process regarding this thread and its emergence on the day of the parade following Ray's performance in the finals.

So just to clarify:

I HATE THIS THREAD!!!

ok, now I can take my medication.

This thread is over a month old. If you don't like my take on trading Ray, you should reply back with some information on why the C's should not trade Ray. Or say nothing at all and just skip it. There are many topics that have arguments that I don't agree with, but I always try to counter with well thought out ideas and statistics.

This is a fantasy sports junkie thread. Utter nonsense in the real world filled with real people.

Anyway, why not wait to see how he does two years after double ankle surgery before you trade him for Jamal "Black Hole" Crawford and the Knicks' tag team entry into the Nathan's hot-dog eating contest? He might even continue to get better as the surgery recedes farther into the past--see e.g., hangtime on Game 4 baseline reverse layup.

Good lord...

In two years, when Ray is old and worthless, I think your memories of him may not be so great.

In two years, even if Ray is broke, out of the league, has undergone a sex change operation, and spends his days huffing wet cement fumes on the side of the road, my memories of him will remain fond, because he was our most consistent player in the NBA Finals that garnered us #17, shattering the Finals record for 3 pointers made and exposing my least favorite player in the NBA, Sasha Vujicaicaciczktiz, as the newt that he is at the end of Game 4, and nobody can change that.

I'm not saying the guy should retire a Celtic, though it'd be nice. But he was very efficient during the regular season, was as up and down as the rest of team versus Atlanta, had a bad Cleveland series (to say the least, though I think Doc helped turn the cold streak into a full-fledged slump by not running enough plays for him to get a rhythm going (with the exception somewhat of the second half of Game 2), and was just flat-out disco from the second half of the Detroit series onward (don't forget Game 5 of that series, which we absolutely would not have won without the way he played at the beginning of the game and at the end of the game). There's evidence there that the guy still has more of a groove to settle into during the second half of his career, and I think he can be a very efficient, productive player for about another half-decade or so, with at least 2-3 more All-Star seasons in there.

I also agree with one of the few semi-coherent observations I've ever heard Scoop Jackson make: the slump may have forced Ray, on the fly, to sharpen other aspects of his game--just look at his Game 1 of the Finals line, or the energy he played with in Game 4 of the Detroit series when his shot wasn't falling.

I don't think he'll be old and worthless in 24 months--far from it--but if you do, then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think he's going to have a heck of a season next year, and will understand/test/work with the limitations of his body post-surgery even more successfully.

At the very least, I hope you hope I'm right and you're wrong, since we'll in all likelihood be keeping him for another season or two, and we're all Celtics fans here.

Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #107 on: June 20, 2008, 08:47:59 PM »

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If we ever do trade Ray, we need to make sure we retain the rights to his sleeve.  I think it's pretty clear that that's where his superpowers come from.

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Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #108 on: June 20, 2008, 08:51:04 PM »

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Haha, I noticed those white sleeves.

Did he wear those because of his slump? It must have given him confidence like "I'm wearing my sleeve yo"

I think he will be very good for 2 years, at least, close to this level of production, as long as he is not overworked and barring another intermediate injury.




Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #109 on: June 20, 2008, 08:58:20 PM »

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Haha, I noticed those white sleeves.

Did he wear those because of his slump? It must have given him confidence like "I'm wearing my sleeve yo"


He wore the sleeve because Rip Hamilton was scratching his arms up. 

He wore it for the first time in Game 5 against Detroit, and blew up for 29 points.  In subsequent games, he wore it under the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it theory".  He wore a sleeve for the rest of the playoffs.

For those last eight playoff games, Ray shot 52.0% overall, and 53.6% on threes.

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Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #110 on: June 20, 2008, 09:12:43 PM »

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I think Ray can still play at a high level for 3 more years.

He keeps himself in excellent condition and has shown he can do more than just score. He's still an excellent shooter and still can get to the rim from time to time.

I don't want to see him traded as an expiring contract.

Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #111 on: June 20, 2008, 09:51:56 PM »

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Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #112 on: June 20, 2008, 09:53:57 PM »

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Yesterday I responded to this post, but the more I thought about it the more I felt I needed to clarify my thought process regarding this thread and its emergence on the day of the parade following Ray's performance in the finals.

So just to clarify:

I HATE THIS THREAD!!!

ok, now I can take my medication.

This thread is over a month old. If you don't like my take on trading Ray, you should reply back with some information on why the C's should not trade Ray. Or say nothing at all and just skip it. There are many topics that have arguments that I don't agree with, but I always try to counter with well thought out ideas and statistics.

This is a fantasy sports junkie thread. Utter nonsense in the real world filled with real people.

Anyway, why not wait to see how he does two years after double ankle surgery before you trade him for Jamal "Black Hole" Crawford and the Knicks' tag team entry into the Nathan's hot-dog eating contest? He might even continue to get better as the surgery recedes farther into the past--see e.g., hangtime on Game 4 baseline reverse layup.

Good lord...

In two years, when Ray is old and worthless, I think your memories of him may not be so great.


You lost me with that comment Chief.  Old and worthless? Seriously?

I'm just basing this on the shooting guards I've seen in the league that are over 32. Most start declining very fast. I hope, if the Celtics keep Ray, he will be one of the few exceptions.
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Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #113 on: June 20, 2008, 10:01:58 PM »

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Just watch the signature

Lealtad= Loyalty

AS long as Ray is Loyal so I am with him. 8)

I'm loyal to the Celtics, not individual players. Any trade that benefits this team, I'm 100% for. If Cleveland offered Lebron James for Paul Pierce tomorrow, I'd say see ya Paul.


A side note- I've noticed I have not gotten any TP's since taking my "Trade Ray" stand. I think I'm being purple and gold listed. ;)
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Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #114 on: June 20, 2008, 10:31:55 PM »

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Just watch the signature

Lealtad= Loyalty

AS long as Ray is Loyal so I am with him. 8)

Exactly mi amigo Edgar. I don't like the idea of trading people no matter what.  Would have you really enjoyed trading Larry Bird contract at the very end of his career.

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Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #115 on: June 20, 2008, 10:34:42 PM »

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Any and all trades should be explored, and trades that improve the team should be made.

Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #116 on: June 20, 2008, 10:49:53 PM »

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this question comes down to the business aspect of the sport - it is a business and if you try to hold on too long to players because of sentimental reasons, you're just doing yourself and your team a disservice.  The way the cap is structured, its almost impossible to get marquee guys except through trading of expiring contracts; letting Ray expire won't allow us to grab another guy, there's noway we're under the cap, so you have to move his contract plus a young guy or two who has developed to get that next piece, so on with Pierce, so on with KG - now can you do a wink wink, Ray's expired, he gets traded, cut comes back? maybe, as long as Danny doesn't pull a McHale and put it in writing....

but I'd trade Ray in a heartbeat, if the deal makes us better.
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Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #117 on: June 20, 2008, 10:51:53 PM »

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Just watch the signature

Lealtad= Loyalty

AS long as Ray is Loyal so I am with him. 8)

I'm loyal to the Celtics, not individual players. Any trade that benefits this team, I'm 100% for. If Cleveland offered Lebron James for Paul Pierce tomorrow, I'd say see ya Paul.


A side note- I've noticed I have not gotten any TP's since taking my "Trade Ray" stand. I think I'm being purple and gold listed. ;)

Thats because u put Paul on the trade list and Ray.
Now if Ray is OK with it, so I am
Something like Toinesque.

And yes NF
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Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #118 on: June 20, 2008, 11:34:50 PM »

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I think Ray can still play at a high level for 3 more years.

He keeps himself in excellent condition and has shown he can do more than just score. He's still an excellent shooter and still can get to the rim from time to time.

I don't want to see him traded as an expiring contract.
My hope is that now that he's no longer got to be "the man" on a team and do all the work it can prolong his health. I hope the same for KG and PP too. We'll see if that happens.
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Re: Trading Ray in his last year-should it be done?
« Reply #119 on: June 20, 2008, 11:38:43 PM »

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Package Ray, K.G. and Doc and float that out there for an improvement too, why not ;)
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