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Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2008, 09:00:45 AM »

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There's no way Perk should be suspended for that, look at the replay he was already on the court when the skirmish started and he never moved towards it when Pachulia came at Garnett, he actually was pushed backwards by a coach, he can't anticipate the future

Perk is going to be suspended.  You can't even have one toe on the court during a scuffle if you wasn't one of the 10 players on the court during the start of the scuffle.

As for KG it doesn't look good, Zach Randolph got suspended early this season for throwing his headband at a ref during a game vs. teh Kings.

Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2008, 09:02:02 AM »

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There's no way Perk should be suspended for that, look at the replay he was already on the court when the skirmish started and he never moved towards it when Pachulia came at Garnett, he actually was pushed backwards by a coach, he can't anticipate the future

Perk is standing on the court before the whistle, but after the shove, he clearly takes around three steps towards the action.  I don't think he ever had the intent to join the skirmish, but he definitely moved towards the court.

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Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2008, 09:07:04 AM »

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Is it just me or are we going a bit too far with the "blaming others" excuse? If we cannot beat the Hawks, no matter what, with KG or without him, we are just not worthy of even having a shot at the title. Full stop.

It is not like the Hawks are one of the better teams in this league anyway. They were not even that "hot" - unlike the Warriors last season for example - going into the playoffs either (5-5 in their last 10 games), so this one, if we blow it, which I believe we wont, is entirely the Celtics fault, even sans Garnett.

A superior team just has to come through on the big stage, in close games but mainly in games that count. In the NFL Playoffs, the soccer World Cup, the improbable might happen and the better team can loose on a bad night and that's it, there is no possible come back, everything is decided in one game. In a  best of 7 (SEVEN!!!) games series you cannot possibly blame anyone but team if they cannot deny the Hawks and make it to the Conference smis.

If the NBA suspends Garnett, and I assume they will, after having seen the images, the rest of the guys should step up and take care of business at home, like they have proven they can during the regular season. And even if the Celtics were to loose game 5 and the series, you cannot blame it on Stern, because actually a team that supposedly has a shot at the title, should be able to close out the Hawks in 5 games max and overcome situations like these.

I agree with everything you said.  If the Cs go on to lose this series I say the series was lost in game 3 when the Cs let the Hawks win and gave them hope.  That made last night game the biggest game of the season to me and the Cs didn't come through.  They lost there heads and as a results they might lose two starters because of it.  But again it all goes back to game 3 when Paul Pierce should have been the bigger man and just walk away from Horford.  In some way I blame Doc Rivers for not having these guy forcus on the task at hand.

Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2008, 09:40:39 AM »

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Pierce has never been known for his maturity.  This team lacks playoff leadership -- they don't have really talented people too young to know what they are up against and they don't have any starters with a real successful track record in the playoffs -- or a coach for that matter.

Is it just me or are we going a bit too far with the "blaming others" excuse? If we cannot beat the Hawks, no matter what, with KG or without him, we are just not worthy of even having a shot at the title. Full stop.

It is not like the Hawks are one of the better teams in this league anyway. They were not even that "hot" - unlike the Warriors last season for example - going into the playoffs either (5-5 in their last 10 games), so this one, if we blow it, which I believe we wont, is entirely the Celtics fault, even sans Garnett.

A superior team just has to come through on the big stage, in close games but mainly in games that count. In the NFL Playoffs, the soccer World Cup, the improbable might happen and the better team can loose on a bad night and that's it, there is no possible come back, everything is decided in one game. In a  best of 7 (SEVEN!!!) games series you cannot possibly blame anyone but team if they cannot deny the Hawks and make it to the Conference smis.

If the NBA suspends Garnett, and I assume they will, after having seen the images, the rest of the guys should step up and take care of business at home, like they have proven they can during the regular season. And even if the Celtics were to loose game 5 and the series, you cannot blame it on Stern, because actually a team that supposedly has a shot at the title, should be able to close out the Hawks in 5 games max and overcome situations like these.

I agree with everything you said.  If the Cs go on to lose this series I say the series was lost in game 3 when the Cs let the Hawks win and gave them hope.  That made last night game the biggest game of the season to me and the Cs didn't come through.  They lost there heads and as a results they might lose two starters because of it.  But again it all goes back to game 3 when Paul Pierce should have been the bigger man and just walk away from Horford.  In some way I blame Doc Rivers for not having these guy forcus on the task at hand.

Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2008, 09:47:08 AM »

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While I'm none to pleased with the way KG and the rest of the guys have played the last two games, I'm pretty sure Kevin was just trying to pull away from Eddie Rush. I probably couldn't blame him, since the guy was practically grabbing his nuts to keep him out of there.

But seriously, if the league suspends KG for Game 5, I am absolutely done with the NBA. I'll just stick to college ball, the Sox, and hockey.

Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2008, 09:48:42 AM »

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Pierce has never been known for his maturity.  This team lacks playoff leadership -- they don't have really talented people too young to know what they are up against and they don't have any starters with a real successful track record in the playoffs -- or a coach for that matter.

I don't know why people are knocking Pierce for not being a leader.   When KG came here, everyone anointed him the new leader so shouldn't we be looking at him?  The Big 3 has more playoff success than their coach and it looks like it's going to be up to the Big 3 to take over and get it done, because the coach sure isn't getting it done.  They will have to win in spite of Doc Rivers.
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Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2008, 10:17:04 AM »

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if kev is not allowed to play maybe this would wake up paul..he has been the sole scorer of this team over the last few years...doc even put him out there with the bench earlier in the season and he balled...something has to kick him in the butt so he can wake up..

Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2008, 10:59:18 AM »

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not getting called for ridicuols fouls would help. Its tough to help the team out when everything you do definsvly is a foul. Paul can't by a call right now.
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Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2008, 11:04:36 AM »

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if anyone hasn't seen it here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKsS-3j9sfg

i don't think there should be any suspensions to be honest. and if kg is suspended, pachulia is definitely getting suspended too, and why not joe johnson?

and by the way, pierce showed great maturity during this altercation (cassell showed the opposite - not what's expected). if kg is suspended hopefully that will wake paul up and force him to be the man in these playoffs because i've been nothing short of disappointed in his play through these four games.

Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2008, 11:08:50 AM »

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Just watching that again, what took Doc so long to get out there?

Why is he strolling? 


Woodson is out there from the other side quicker and pulling his players away.


Doc strolls out there and never gets to KG. 


Doc should have been the first on the court in front of KG. 

Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2008, 11:13:54 AM »

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If Perkins has to be suspended I don't have a problem with it because he clearly violated the wording of the rule. I would have a problem with it if Williams isn't suspended right along with him.

KG is another matter. It is the job of the referees to come between the players and restore the peace. Coming between players and shielding them from further action is what they are responsible for. Putting their hands on a player on clutching him and trying to pull him in a different direction is something entirely different.

If the players can't touch the refs the refs can't touch the players. Rush went way beyond his responsiblities of policing the situation by grabbing onto KG and trying to restrain him. KG's pushing him off him should be allowed since Rush initiated the situation.

Of course when is his high king David Stern ever looked at anything in context. He's all about the letter of the law.

My guess, at 7:05 PM tomorrow night Stern will issue suspensions to Williams, Perk and KG. You know, at the worst possible moment for the Celtics.

Dangerous precedent if Garnet et al get suspended...
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2008, 11:21:24 AM »

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If Stern decides to go with the Garnett suspension, which its feeling like it might happen, will be a very negative precedent to put forth.  It basically rewards a team for sending a scrub after another teams best player in hopes of angering them and drawing a suspension.  This will be two very ugly instances, the first being the Horry foul on Nash.

The Suns get penalized for having their best player being blatantly taking out by a bench player.  This is exactly the same thing, where Pachulia, no disrespect, but is in fact a bum, went after KG, knowing it will rile him up and it couldnt work out better for the Hawks.  If a teammate of yours gets into an altercation or you feel hes getting threatened, I feel the natural reaction is to attempt to help them.  If i were in that position, I would probably leave the bench as a natural reaction, even if i figured out i was oding the wrong thing shortly after and went back to the bench, id be suspended. 

This gives light to an entirely new and dispicable strategy.  Why not send one of your worst players after a star.  Hit him and hope he hits you back.  If that happens you get rid of their best player, and hopefully any player on the bench who feels something for their teammates.  Its a win win for your team.  Why dont we send Scal after Josh Smith?  Whats the worst that could happen?  Scal gets tossed and Smith doesnt fight back?  But hey, if Josh actulaly defends himself, we get him tossed and a suspension out of it.  With most great players, there is a pride factor, and personally if somebody is stepping up to me im going to come right back.  With a player of KG's caliber and intensity, which he needs to be as great of a player as he is, of course hes going to react.

That incident cost the Suns a championship.  The play of the series was Robert Horry tackling Nash.  Sad but true.  Horry was MVP of the series.  That was the best possibly way to defend Amare.  Get him thrown out.  And while I do feel its up to the Celtics to handle their business against the Hawks, who they should have steamrolled by now, I'm hoping Stern doesnt help them out, and create this new strategy.

If I'm the coach of an awfully undermatched team, what do i have to lose?  Why shouldnt I send Pachulia out there to try and hit Garnett?  I lose Pachulia for the game?  Who cares?  I know Garnett is going to react, and I can get him out of the game.  it gives my team a chance.  Its a terrible strategy, but if this goes through, thats going to be a legitimate worry in my opinion. Its also a health risk as well, sending a lesser player after a star, whats to say one of these times they go after him a little too hard?

Looking back, i feel like the Raja Bell clothesline of Kobe might have been a failed attempt at this.  It was so blatant and wrong, im thinking Bell was possibly hoping Kobe would get in his face and fight back.  Kobe didnt, which im compltely surprised at, but how mayn other instances would he have looked the other way.  Him or another player...probably not too many.

I think its bushleague tactics waiting to happen.  and I hope the office looks at this and re-evaluates the way they handle these things, as well as the leaving the bench rule.  if you leave the bench and your nowhere near the incident, i cant blame you.  your teammate is being attacked, wouldnt you want to at least see whats going on?  In a fight in real life, your going in there to help your friends, your not going to be sitting in your seat and thinking about reprocussions if the cops see you and you get arrested.  its a natural human reaction.  The game should be decided on the court.  not by arbritrary rules that a power hungry commissioner is too stubborn to change.  Just ask the Phoenix Suns.

Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2008, 11:23:20 AM »

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I don't think there'll be any suspensions. I especially don't think Perk or Marvin will, KG? Maybe, there's a decent shot but probably not. I think KG is the most likely to be suspended of the three.

Anyway it won't matter much, the Celtics can beat Atlanta without KG.

Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2008, 11:28:13 AM »

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I hate to say it but when I brought up KG's self destructive tendencies earlier this season on these boards and how I worried that it would hurt the team in the playoffs I was shouted down.  This is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about.
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Re: Do we have to be worried about a KG suspension?
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2008, 11:28:36 AM »

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I don't think there'll be any suspensions. I especially don't think Perk or Marvin will, KG? Maybe, there's a decent shot but probably not. I think KG is the most likely to be suspended of the three.

Anyway it won't matter much, the Celtics can beat Atlanta without KG.


i actually go the opposite on this with Perk and WIlliams more likely on the technicality issue and KG not because for all he knew it was a teammate or a coach grabbing him and not a ref..

but i do agree that regardless, game 5 is going to be a good one for us and if KG is not there, i think Pierce is going to go off.