Will Doc Ever Coach a Team Out of the First Round?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I agree with your method to calm down reading all this venting has not helped me one iota to calm down.

Lol, you missed the crucial step: turn off your pc.

Anyways, these are two things I'm noticing and things I want to see improvements on:

KG can't keep up with Smith.  Smith is too fast so KG is giving him the jumpers, which he's hitting.  If he's not doing that Smith is beating him off the dribble and dunking on him.

Ray is having trouble with JJ, which I really don't have a problem with.  What I have a problem with is with our help defense, which has been our bread and butter all season, was awful on him.  Didn't you guys notice how Powe, instead of clogging the lane stayed with Horford at the top of the key as if he were a 3-point threat? Those kinds of things can't happen.

[jay_jay54]

In Doc's press conference,one of the press guys asked the question,do you think,there are fans back in Boston,waiting by the bridge to jump,and Doc replied,if they are,don't expect him to save them. We already know,he will let a team drown,so why not a few fans.He did a lousy job of coaching tonight.Joe Johnson got hot,so what,you make adjustments.No excuses for losing a 10pt lead.They scored 5 in less than 1minutes.Why didn't Doc call a time out,switch Poaey to Johnson?So,why wouldn't i think he would allow a fan to drown.I know the press guy was teasing,but im not.  

[BudweiserCeltic]

In Doc's press conference,one of the press guys asked the question,do you think,there are fans back in Boston,waiting by the bridge to jump,and Doc replied,if they are,don't expect him to save them. We already know,he will let a team drown,so why not a few fans.He did a lousy job of coaching tonight.Joe Johnson got hot,so what,you make adjustments.No excuses for losing a 10pt lead.They scored 5 in less than 1minutes.Why didn't Doc call a time out,switch Poaey to Johnson?So,why wouldn't i think he would allow a fan to drown.I know the press guy was teasing,but im not.  

I don't think it's as simple as moving Posey on him, Johnson hit a couple of jumpers on him earlier in the game and drove past him a couple of times.  As I mentioned above, I expect a team effort to stop this guys.  The fact is our defensive rotations have been awful and slow, and that has been our biggest strength all season.

[jay_jay54]

In Doc's press conference,one of the press guys asked the question,do you think,there are fans back in Boston,waiting by the bridge to jump,and Doc replied,if they are,don't expect him to save them. We already know,he will let a team drown,so why not a few fans.He did a lousy job of coaching tonight.Joe Johnson got hot,so what,you make adjustments.No excuses for losing a 10pt lead.They scored 5 in less than 1minutes.Why didn't Doc call a time out,switch Poaey to Johnson?So,why wouldn't i think he would allow a fan to drown.I know the press guy was teasing,but im not.  

I don't think it's as simple as moving Posey on him, Johnson hit a couple of jumpers on him earlier in the game and drove past him a couple of times.  As I mentioned above, I expect a team effort to stop this guys.  The fact is our defensive rotations have been awful and slow, and that has been our biggest strength all season.

Ok,then,try someone else..just don't leave Ray in that situation over,and over,until the end.

[mahonedog88]

I agree with your method to calm down reading all this venting has not helped me one iota to calm down.

Lol, you missed the crucial step: turn off your pc.

Anyways, these are two things I'm noticing and things I want to see improvements on:

KG can't keep up with Smith.  Smith is too fast so KG is giving him the jumpers, which he's hitting.  If he's not doing that Smith is beating him off the dribble and dunking on him.

Ray is having trouble with JJ, which I really don't have a problem with.  What I have a problem with is with our help defense, which has been our bread and butter all season, was awful on him.  Didn't you guys notice how Powe, instead of clogging the lane stayed with Horford at the top of the key as if he were a 3-point threat? Those kinds of things can't happen.

What I don't get as is that we swept the season series!  We crushed them in games 1 and 2!  We can't say that KG can't keep up with Smith or that Ray is having trouble with Johnson cause they were doing fine throughout the season and in games 1 and 2.  There's just something about being in Atlanta these last 2 games that has caused this team to suck.

[jay_jay54]

In Doc's press conference,one of the press guys asked the question,do you think,there are fans back in Boston,waiting by the bridge to jump,and Doc replied,if they are,don't expect him to save them. We already know,he will let a team drown,so why not a few fans.He did a lousy job of coaching tonight.Joe Johnson got hot,so what,you make adjustments.No excuses for losing a 10pt lead.They scored 5 in less than 1minutes.Why didn't Doc call a time out,switch Poaey to Johnson?So,why wouldn't i think he would allow a fan to drown.I know the press guy was teasing,but im not.  

I don't think it's as simple as moving Posey on him, Johnson hit a couple of jumpers on him earlier in the game and drove past him a couple of times.  As I mentioned above, I expect a team effort to stop this guys.  The fact is our defensive rotations have been awful and slow, and that has been our biggest strength all season.

Ok,then,try someone else..just don't leave Ray in that situation over,and over,until the end.

But i think,given it some time,Posey would have eventually tightened up on him.I have a lot confidence in Posey,adjusting to Johnson.

[winsomme]

the playoffs are not for the faint of heart.

this is the best thing that could happen to this team because coming in to this series, they had zero playoff experience together, and now it is very real.

the talk doesn't matter any more, now they simply have to do it.

we have heard them talk over and over again about not being able to have any letdowns because in the NBA, you can lose on any night. but now they are learning exactly what that means.

and i would rather have them learn this lesson now rather than later.

i am as frustrated as the next fan, but i think we need to toughen up too because the playoffs are long and brutal when you are invested as emotionally as we all are here in this team.

i think Atlanta got under the Cs skin in that game 2 and it seems to have gotten them totally off their stride.

combine that tonight with an amazing game from JJ, horrible FT shooting and a lackadaisical  beginning to the forth and you have a recipe for disaster.

Greg Dickerson noted when we were up by ten that he didn't think we were going to be coming back to Atlanta this year. we all probably were thinking (hoping) the same thing. and most importantly, the team came out  and played that way. they played themselves right out of that game.

it would be nice from a rest standpoint to have finished this up in 5, but now we need to buckle down and get ready for some seriously stressful playoff action.

let's see how everybody responds....

I'm sorry, but What??


One lose to a team like Atlanta is a wake up call.



Two straight loses to Atlanta is oversleeping on your wedding day. 

i know the temptation to panic, but like i said, the playoffs are not for the faint of heart.

one loss is not a lesson.

like you said earlier, one loss in Atlanta is forgivable....so even you were willing to not panic after one loss to the Hawks.

but now you are equating  the second loss on the wake-up call scale to oversleeping you wedding....

[BudweiserCeltic]

In Doc's press conference,one of the press guys asked the question,do you think,there are fans back in Boston,waiting by the bridge to jump,and Doc replied,if they are,don't expect him to save them. We already know,he will let a team drown,so why not a few fans.He did a lousy job of coaching tonight.Joe Johnson got hot,so what,you make adjustments.No excuses for losing a 10pt lead.They scored 5 in less than 1minutes.Why didn't Doc call a time out,switch Poaey to Johnson?So,why wouldn't i think he would allow a fan to drown.I know the press guy was teasing,but im not.  

I don't think it's as simple as moving Posey on him, Johnson hit a couple of jumpers on him earlier in the game and drove past him a couple of times.  As I mentioned above, I expect a team effort to stop this guys.  The fact is our defensive rotations have been awful and slow, and that has been our biggest strength all season.

Ok,then,try someone else..just don't leave Ray in that situation over,and over,until the end.

And I partionally agree with you, but there's more to this...

I agree with your method to calm down reading all this venting has not helped me one iota to calm down.

Lol, you missed the crucial step: turn off your pc.

Anyways, these are two things I'm noticing and things I want to see improvements on:

KG can't keep up with Smith.  Smith is too fast so KG is giving him the jumpers, which he's hitting.  If he's not doing that Smith is beating him off the dribble and dunking on him.

Ray is having trouble with JJ, which I really don't have a problem with.  What I have a problem with is with our help defense, which has been our bread and butter all season, was awful on him.  Didn't you guys notice how Powe, instead of clogging the lane stayed with Horford at the top of the key as if he were a 3-point threat? Those kinds of things can't happen.

What I don't get as is that we swept the season series!  We crushed them in games 1 and 2!  We can't say that KG can't keep up with Smith or that Ray is having trouble with Johnson cause they were doing fine throughout the season and in games 1 and 2.  There's just something about being in Atlanta these last 2 games that has caused this team to suck.

They're feeding off the energy of the crowd, I normally don't buy into Home advantage stuff, but a young athletic team that thrives on energy is really benefiting from it.  Also, the teams are different from when we first met them earlier in the season, and once again they gave us trouble (at Atlanta) when we last met them during it.

But JJ was really good tonight, he did some great offensive moves.  Pierce tried to draw a charge on him and JJ put a stop and got off a good easy jumper.  Not many have the mind to do that, he simple was really good off the dribble.

[Kuberski33]

Losses like tonight's help get coaches fired.  Doc's got the playoff thing hanging over his head and tonight was a stark reminder. 

It wasn't all the coaches fault.  We saw down the stretch why Perk is basically a backup center.  He was nowhere to be seen doing the one thing he's supposed to do -- rebound.

And Pierce blowing that layup that would have cut it to 2 was an out and out choke.

So Doc had some help tonight, but he couldn't make the right adjustments - and don't think ownership hasn't taken note.

If the C's blow this series you can take it to the bank the Doc won't be back --nor should he be. 

[keepthefaith]

I agree with your method to calm down reading all this venting has not helped me one iota to calm down.

Lol, you missed the crucial step: turn off your pc.

Anyways, these are two things I'm noticing and things I want to see improvements on:

KG can't keep up with Smith.  Smith is too fast so KG is giving him the jumpers, which he's hitting.  If he's not doing that Smith is beating him off the dribble and dunking on him.

Ray is having trouble with JJ, which I really don't have a problem with.  What I have a problem with is with our help defense, which has been our bread and butter all season, was awful on him.  Didn't you guys notice how Powe, instead of clogging the lane stayed with Horford at the top of the key as if he were a 3-point threat? Those kinds of things can't happen.

What I don't get as is that we swept the season series!  We crushed them in games 1 and 2!  We can't say that KG can't keep up with Smith or that Ray is having trouble with Johnson cause they were doing fine throughout the season and in games 1 and 2.  There's just something about being in Atlanta these last 2 games that has caused this team to suck.

While I think the biggest reason the celts have lost the past two games has to do with doc, i think a lot of it has to do with josh smith realizing what its all about. Playing for the hawks the past four years had to have been tough, going home each year after 82 games. He probably got content with that. After tasting how nice a playoff win is, he probably wants it more now. I bet his numbers climb by an even bigger leap next year.

[jay_jay54]

We had the game in our hands,survived a few runs they gave all the way through the third.When we had the 10pt lead,is where coaching becomes crucial,to sustain that lead.In a matter of what 5 minutes,we were behind again.So whose at fault,the players,the coach?I see the coach not making the correct decisions in the critical moments.The players played a good enough game to win it,just needed some smart leadership down the stretch.

[wdleehi]

the playoffs are not for the faint of heart.

this is the best thing that could happen to this team because coming in to this series, they had zero playoff experience together, and now it is very real.

the talk doesn't matter any more, now they simply have to do it.

we have heard them talk over and over again about not being able to have any letdowns because in the NBA, you can lose on any night. but now they are learning exactly what that means.

and i would rather have them learn this lesson now rather than later.

i am as frustrated as the next fan, but i think we need to toughen up too because the playoffs are long and brutal when you are invested as emotionally as we all are here in this team.

i think Atlanta got under the Cs skin in that game 2 and it seems to have gotten them totally off their stride.

combine that tonight with an amazing game from JJ, horrible FT shooting and a lackadaisical  beginning to the forth and you have a recipe for disaster.

Greg Dickerson noted when we were up by ten that he didn't think we were going to be coming back to Atlanta this year. we all probably were thinking (hoping) the same thing. and most importantly, the team came out  and played that way. they played themselves right out of that game.

it would be nice from a rest standpoint to have finished this up in 5, but now we need to buckle down and get ready for some seriously stressful playoff action.

let's see how everybody responds....

I'm sorry, but What??


One lose to a team like Atlanta is a wake up call.



Two straight loses to Atlanta is oversleeping on your wedding day. 

i know the temptation to panic, but like i said, the playoffs are not for the faint of heart.

one loss is not a lesson.

like you said earlier, one loss in Atlanta is forgivable....so even you were willing to not panic after one loss to the Hawks.

but now you are equating  the second loss on the wake-up call scale to oversleeping you wedding....

This isn't panic.

This is anger. 


Angry knowing that this Celtics team is so much more talented then the Hawks. 

Angry knowing that this is not what championship level teams do.  They put away sub 500 teams. 

This series should be over. 

[nickagneta]

In Doc's press conference,one of the press guys asked the question,do you think,there are fans back in Boston,waiting by the bridge to jump,and Doc replied,if they are,don't expect him to save them. We already know,he will let a team drown,so why not a few fans.He did a lousy job of coaching tonight.Joe Johnson got hot,so what,you make adjustments.No excuses for losing a 10pt lead.They scored 5 in less than 1minutes.Why didn't Doc call a time out,switch Poaey to Johnson?So,why wouldn't i think he would allow a fan to drown.I know the press guy was teasing,but im not.  

I don't think it's as simple as moving Posey on him, Johnson hit a couple of jumpers on him earlier in the game and drove past him a couple of times.  As I mentioned above, I expect a team effort to stop this guys.  The fact is our defensive rotations have been awful and slow, and that has been our biggest strength all season.

Ok,then,try someone else..just don't leave Ray in that situation over,and over,until the end.

How's that saying go jay-jay, the definition of stupidity is doing the exact same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I agree. He had to do something, anything. Leaving Ray there lost the game. I mean, how much worse of a job could someone else have done? Johnson scored every single time down the floor on Ray. If Posey or Allen could have stopped him even one or two of those times, it's a different game.

[jay_jay54]

the playoffs are not for the faint of heart.

this is the best thing that could happen to this team because coming in to this series, they had zero playoff experience together, and now it is very real.

the talk doesn't matter any more, now they simply have to do it.

we have heard them talk over and over again about not being able to have any letdowns because in the NBA, you can lose on any night. but now they are learning exactly what that means.

and i would rather have them learn this lesson now rather than later.

i am as frustrated as the next fan, but i think we need to toughen up too because the playoffs are long and brutal when you are invested as emotionally as we all are here in this team.

i think Atlanta got under the Cs skin in that game 2 and it seems to have gotten them totally off their stride.

combine that tonight with an amazing game from JJ, horrible FT shooting and a lackadaisical  beginning to the forth and you have a recipe for disaster.

Greg Dickerson noted when we were up by ten that he didn't think we were going to be coming back to Atlanta this year. we all probably were thinking (hoping) the same thing. and most importantly, the team came out  and played that way. they played themselves right out of that game.

it would be nice from a rest standpoint to have finished this up in 5, but now we need to buckle down and get ready for some seriously stressful playoff action.

let's see how everybody responds....

I'm sorry, but What??


One lose to a team like Atlanta is a wake up call.



Two straight loses to Atlanta is oversleeping on your wedding day. 

i know the temptation to panic, but like i said, the playoffs are not for the faint of heart.

one loss is not a lesson.

like you said earlier, one loss in Atlanta is forgivable....so even you were willing to not panic after one loss to the Hawks.

but now you are equating  the second loss on the wake-up call scale to oversleeping you wedding....

This isn't panic.

This is anger. 


Angry knowing that this Celtics team is so much more talented then the Hawks. 

Angry knowing that this is not what championship level teams do.  They put away sub 500 teams. 

This series should be over. 

Exactly!plain and simple... over

[jay_jay54]

In Doc's press conference,one of the press guys asked the question,do you think,there are fans back in Boston,waiting by the bridge to jump,and Doc replied,if they are,don't expect him to save them. We already know,he will let a team drown,so why not a few fans.He did a lousy job of coaching tonight.Joe Johnson got hot,so what,you make adjustments.No excuses for losing a 10pt lead.They scored 5 in less than 1minutes.Why didn't Doc call a time out,switch Poaey to Johnson?So,why wouldn't i think he would allow a fan to drown.I know the press guy was teasing,but im not.  

I don't think it's as simple as moving Posey on him, Johnson hit a couple of jumpers on him earlier in the game and drove past him a couple of times.  As I mentioned above, I expect a team effort to stop this guys.  The fact is our defensive rotations have been awful and slow, and that has been our biggest strength all season.

Ok,then,try someone else..just don't leave Ray in that situation over,and over,until the end.

How's that saying go jay-jay, the definition of stupidity is doing the exact same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

I agree. He had to do something, anything. Leaving Ray there lost the game. I mean, how much worse of a job could someone else have done? Johnson scored every single time down the floor on Ray. If Posey or Allen could have stopped him even one or two of those times, it's a different game.

I mean,a third grader could figure this much out,but Doc stands on the sideline,looking as if,its a rocket science project,that he knew nothing about.Then he gets in the PC,and makes it sounds like its all the players lack of playing a certain way,everytime.He never steps up and take any of the blame.Yes,im bashing Doc,he needs it,after tonight.What hurts the most,we have a great team,and its in the hands of a blooming idiot.