How good is Baylor Scheierman?

[Celtics2021]

Baylor averaged 5ppg and there were several games where Joe did not play him. He is a borderline rotation player. Shooting was decent last year, defense not so much.

You are very weirdly negative about some things.  Several games he did not play?  He played 77 games, tied for third most on the team, all of two games behind Pritchard. He missed only one game after mid-November.  He averaged over 18 minutes a night for the season, started 20 games, and in his final 44 games (from the time of his first start) played 24 minutes a night.  This continued even after Tatum returned, which would have been a logical time for him to see a decrease in minutes, but he played 25 mpg from Tatum?s first game back onward.  And he averaged 14 minutes per night in the playoffs.  He was squarely in the rotation for a team that won 56 games.  He is not a future star, but he is also way more than a borderline rotation player.  He is much closer to fringe starter.

It is not negativity, I?m just being realistic. Saying guys should be starters when they average 4 or 5 points a game is silly to me. Especially when the team is expected to be a top 3 seed in the East this coming season.

Who is saying he should be a starter?

There's a wide gulf between "should be a starter" and "borderline rotation player". Baylor fits squarely in that gulf as a solid bench player.

I have read several threads where people have said that Baylor or Hugo should be starting.

This is moving the goalposts in a major way.  You were the one who said he is only a borderline rotation player.  No one who responded to you has made an argument that he should start.  I have said that I do think Hugo should be considered to start, and stand behind that, but this is a Baylor thread and Hugo is not in the conversation.

[smicker16]

Baylor averaged 5ppg and there were several games where Joe did not play him. He is a borderline rotation player. Shooting was decent last year, defense not so much.

You are very weirdly negative about some things.  Several games he did not play?  He played 77 games, tied for third most on the team, all of two games behind Pritchard. He missed only one game after mid-November.  He averaged over 18 minutes a night for the season, started 20 games, and in his final 44 games (from the time of his first start) played 24 minutes a night.  This continued even after Tatum returned, which would have been a logical time for him to see a decrease in minutes, but he played 25 mpg from Tatum?s first game back onward.  And he averaged 14 minutes per night in the playoffs.  He was squarely in the rotation for a team that won 56 games.  He is not a future star, but he is also way more than a borderline rotation player.  He is much closer to fringe starter.

It is not negativity, I?m just being realistic. Saying guys should be starters when they average 4 or 5 points a game is silly to me. Especially when the team is expected to be a top 3 seed in the East this coming season.

Who is saying he should be a starter?

There's a wide gulf between "should be a starter" and "borderline rotation player". Baylor fits squarely in that gulf as a solid bench player.

I have read several threads where people have said that Baylor or Hugo should be starting.

From my side I just do not see a great option for the 5th starter. I imagine you want Pritchard? I would like Pritchard to close the games for sure.

I want someone in the starting lineup who can cover the other teams best perimeter player. I want to limit that wear and tear for Tatum, PG and White.

I do not think it is Hauser either. I am basically hoping Hugo develops into that spot or Baylor or Walsh continue to progress.

This is the problem with not having JB in my opinion.

I do not see a great option unfortunately so that is where I am hoping Baylor or Hugo step up into that role.

[Goldstar88]

Baylor averaged 5ppg and there were several games where Joe did not play him. He is a borderline rotation player. Shooting was decent last year, defense not so much.

You are very weirdly negative about some things.  Several games he did not play?  He played 77 games, tied for third most on the team, all of two games behind Pritchard. He missed only one game after mid-November.  He averaged over 18 minutes a night for the season, started 20 games, and in his final 44 games (from the time of his first start) played 24 minutes a night.  This continued even after Tatum returned, which would have been a logical time for him to see a decrease in minutes, but he played 25 mpg from Tatum?s first game back onward.  And he averaged 14 minutes per night in the playoffs.  He was squarely in the rotation for a team that won 56 games.  He is not a future star, but he is also way more than a borderline rotation player.  He is much closer to fringe starter.

It is not negativity, I?m just being realistic. Saying guys should be starters when they average 4 or 5 points a game is silly to me. Especially when the team is expected to be a top 3 seed in the East this coming season.

Who is saying he should be a starter?

There's a wide gulf between "should be a starter" and "borderline rotation player". Baylor fits squarely in that gulf as a solid bench player.

I have read several threads where people have said that Baylor or Hugo should be starting.

This is moving the goalposts in a major way.  You were the one who said he is only a borderline rotation player.  No one who responded to you has made an argument that he should start.  I have said that I do think Hugo should be considered to start, and stand behind that, but this is a Baylor thread and Hugo is not in the conversation.

There have been several threads where people have mentioned both Baylor and Hugo starting. Not sure how that is moving goal posts. It?s just a fact.

[Celtics2021]

Baylor averaged 5ppg and there were several games where Joe did not play him. He is a borderline rotation player. Shooting was decent last year, defense not so much.

You are very weirdly negative about some things.  Several games he did not play?  He played 77 games, tied for third most on the team, all of two games behind Pritchard. He missed only one game after mid-November.  He averaged over 18 minutes a night for the season, started 20 games, and in his final 44 games (from the time of his first start) played 24 minutes a night.  This continued even after Tatum returned, which would have been a logical time for him to see a decrease in minutes, but he played 25 mpg from Tatum?s first game back onward.  And he averaged 14 minutes per night in the playoffs.  He was squarely in the rotation for a team that won 56 games.  He is not a future star, but he is also way more than a borderline rotation player.  He is much closer to fringe starter.

It is not negativity, I?m just being realistic. Saying guys should be starters when they average 4 or 5 points a game is silly to me. Especially when the team is expected to be a top 3 seed in the East this coming season.

Who is saying he should be a starter?

There's a wide gulf between "should be a starter" and "borderline rotation player". Baylor fits squarely in that gulf as a solid bench player.

I have read several threads where people have said that Baylor or Hugo should be starting.

This is moving the goalposts in a major way.  You were the one who said he is only a borderline rotation player.  No one who responded to you has made an argument that he should start.  I have said that I do think Hugo should be considered to start, and stand behind that, but this is a Baylor thread and Hugo is not in the conversation.

There have been several threads where people have mentioned both Baylor and Hugo starting. Not sure how that is moving goal posts. It?s just a fact.

Because you were the one who made an assertion, which you are now not backing up.  Instead you have decided to debate something different.

[Goldstar88]

Baylor averaged 5ppg and there were several games where Joe did not play him. He is a borderline rotation player. Shooting was decent last year, defense not so much.

You are very weirdly negative about some things.  Several games he did not play?  He played 77 games, tied for third most on the team, all of two games behind Pritchard. He missed only one game after mid-November.  He averaged over 18 minutes a night for the season, started 20 games, and in his final 44 games (from the time of his first start) played 24 minutes a night.  This continued even after Tatum returned, which would have been a logical time for him to see a decrease in minutes, but he played 25 mpg from Tatum?s first game back onward.  And he averaged 14 minutes per night in the playoffs.  He was squarely in the rotation for a team that won 56 games.  He is not a future star, but he is also way more than a borderline rotation player.  He is much closer to fringe starter.

It is not negativity, I?m just being realistic. Saying guys should be starters when they average 4 or 5 points a game is silly to me. Especially when the team is expected to be a top 3 seed in the East this coming season.

Who is saying he should be a starter?

There's a wide gulf between "should be a starter" and "borderline rotation player". Baylor fits squarely in that gulf as a solid bench player.

I have read several threads where people have said that Baylor or Hugo should be starting.

This is moving the goalposts in a major way.  You were the one who said he is only a borderline rotation player.  No one who responded to you has made an argument that he should start.  I have said that I do think Hugo should be considered to start, and stand behind that, but this is a Baylor thread and Hugo is not in the conversation.

There have been several threads where people have mentioned both Baylor and Hugo starting. Not sure how that is moving goal posts. It?s just a fact.

Because you were the one who made an assertion, which you are now not backing up.  Instead you have decided to debate something different.

Adding something to a conversation is not debating something else or moving the goal posts. They have both been discussed as starters in threads.

[Celtics2021]

Baylor averaged 5ppg and there were several games where Joe did not play him. He is a borderline rotation player. Shooting was decent last year, defense not so much.

You are very weirdly negative about some things.  Several games he did not play?  He played 77 games, tied for third most on the team, all of two games behind Pritchard. He missed only one game after mid-November.  He averaged over 18 minutes a night for the season, started 20 games, and in his final 44 games (from the time of his first start) played 24 minutes a night.  This continued even after Tatum returned, which would have been a logical time for him to see a decrease in minutes, but he played 25 mpg from Tatum?s first game back onward.  And he averaged 14 minutes per night in the playoffs.  He was squarely in the rotation for a team that won 56 games.  He is not a future star, but he is also way more than a borderline rotation player.  He is much closer to fringe starter.

It is not negativity, I?m just being realistic. Saying guys should be starters when they average 4 or 5 points a game is silly to me. Especially when the team is expected to be a top 3 seed in the East this coming season.

Who is saying he should be a starter?

There's a wide gulf between "should be a starter" and "borderline rotation player". Baylor fits squarely in that gulf as a solid bench player.

I have read several threads where people have said that Baylor or Hugo should be starting.

This is moving the goalposts in a major way.  You were the one who said he is only a borderline rotation player.  No one who responded to you has made an argument that he should start.  I have said that I do think Hugo should be considered to start, and stand behind that, but this is a Baylor thread and Hugo is not in the conversation.

There have been several threads where people have mentioned both Baylor and Hugo starting. Not sure how that is moving goal posts. It?s just a fact.

Because you were the one who made an assertion, which you are now not backing up.  Instead you have decided to debate something different.

Adding something to a conversation is not debating something else or moving the goal posts. They have both been discussed as starters in threads.

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Let us just move back to your original assertion.  Is he a borderline rotation player?

[Neurotic Guy]

I think Baylor looks like more than a borderline rotation player.  I think he?s improved and he?s smart, and he?ll continue to use that intelligence to be of solid value to a rotation. So I?d say solid rotation player, borderline starter. Of course that?s with continued development. I know he?s already mid-20s but seems to me a guy who learns.

[Goldstar88]

Baylor averaged 5ppg and there were several games where Joe did not play him. He is a borderline rotation player. Shooting was decent last year, defense not so much.

You are very weirdly negative about some things.  Several games he did not play?  He played 77 games, tied for third most on the team, all of two games behind Pritchard. He missed only one game after mid-November.  He averaged over 18 minutes a night for the season, started 20 games, and in his final 44 games (from the time of his first start) played 24 minutes a night.  This continued even after Tatum returned, which would have been a logical time for him to see a decrease in minutes, but he played 25 mpg from Tatum?s first game back onward.  And he averaged 14 minutes per night in the playoffs.  He was squarely in the rotation for a team that won 56 games.  He is not a future star, but he is also way more than a borderline rotation player.  He is much closer to fringe starter.

It is not negativity, I?m just being realistic. Saying guys should be starters when they average 4 or 5 points a game is silly to me. Especially when the team is expected to be a top 3 seed in the East this coming season.

Who is saying he should be a starter?

There's a wide gulf between "should be a starter" and "borderline rotation player". Baylor fits squarely in that gulf as a solid bench player.

I have read several threads where people have said that Baylor or Hugo should be starting.

This is moving the goalposts in a major way.  You were the one who said he is only a borderline rotation player.  No one who responded to you has made an argument that he should start.  I have said that I do think Hugo should be considered to start, and stand behind that, but this is a Baylor thread and Hugo is not in the conversation.

There have been several threads where people have mentioned both Baylor and Hugo starting. Not sure how that is moving goal posts. It?s just a fact.

Because you were the one who made an assertion, which you are now not backing up.  Instead you have decided to debate something different.

Adding something to a conversation is not debating something else or moving the goal posts. They have both been discussed as starters in threads.

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Let us just move back to your original assertion.  Is he a borderline rotation player?

Yeah, I don?t get the hype. He is probably a borderline rotation guy. . If they are starting players that averaged 4 or 5 pts last year that?s a problem, IMO. Baylor (and Hugo) have a long ways to go.

[Celtics2021]

Baylor averaged 5ppg and there were several games where Joe did not play him. He is a borderline rotation player. Shooting was decent last year, defense not so much.

You are very weirdly negative about some things.  Several games he did not play?  He played 77 games, tied for third most on the team, all of two games behind Pritchard. He missed only one game after mid-November.  He averaged over 18 minutes a night for the season, started 20 games, and in his final 44 games (from the time of his first start) played 24 minutes a night.  This continued even after Tatum returned, which would have been a logical time for him to see a decrease in minutes, but he played 25 mpg from Tatum?s first game back onward.  And he averaged 14 minutes per night in the playoffs.  He was squarely in the rotation for a team that won 56 games.  He is not a future star, but he is also way more than a borderline rotation player.  He is much closer to fringe starter.

It is not negativity, I?m just being realistic. Saying guys should be starters when they average 4 or 5 points a game is silly to me. Especially when the team is expected to be a top 3 seed in the East this coming season.

Who is saying he should be a starter?

There's a wide gulf between "should be a starter" and "borderline rotation player". Baylor fits squarely in that gulf as a solid bench player.

I have read several threads where people have said that Baylor or Hugo should be starting.

This is moving the goalposts in a major way.  You were the one who said he is only a borderline rotation player.  No one who responded to you has made an argument that he should start.  I have said that I do think Hugo should be considered to start, and stand behind that, but this is a Baylor thread and Hugo is not in the conversation.

There have been several threads where people have mentioned both Baylor and Hugo starting. Not sure how that is moving goal posts. It?s just a fact.

Because you were the one who made an assertion, which you are now not backing up.  Instead you have decided to debate something different.

Adding something to a conversation is not debating something else or moving the goal posts. They have both been discussed as starters in threads.

.

Let us just move back to your original assertion.  Is he a borderline rotation player?

Yeah, I don?t get the hype. He is probably a borderline rotation guy. . If they are starting players that averaged 4 or 5 pts last year that?s a problem, IMO. Baylor (and Hugo) have a long ways to go.

Does it mean nothing to you that he was clearly in the rotation last year?  On a good team?  Like, this was a question about where Baylor stacks up leaguewide.  If we say that most teams have a 9-10 man rotation in the regular season, and there are 30 teams, are you really saying he is in the 300ish range of about 420 NBA players?  Low scoring average or not, that seems like a pretty harsh assessment. 

[Roy H.]

Baylor averaged 5ppg and there were several games where Joe did not play him. He is a borderline rotation player. Shooting was decent last year, defense not so much.

You are very weirdly negative about some things.  Several games he did not play?  He played 77 games, tied for third most on the team, all of two games behind Pritchard. He missed only one game after mid-November.  He averaged over 18 minutes a night for the season, started 20 games, and in his final 44 games (from the time of his first start) played 24 minutes a night.  This continued even after Tatum returned, which would have been a logical time for him to see a decrease in minutes, but he played 25 mpg from Tatum?s first game back onward.  And he averaged 14 minutes per night in the playoffs.  He was squarely in the rotation for a team that won 56 games.  He is not a future star, but he is also way more than a borderline rotation player.  He is much closer to fringe starter.

It is not negativity, I?m just being realistic. Saying guys should be starters when they average 4 or 5 points a game is silly to me. Especially when the team is expected to be a top 3 seed in the East this coming season.

Who is saying he should be a starter?

There's a wide gulf between "should be a starter" and "borderline rotation player". Baylor fits squarely in that gulf as a solid bench player.

I have read several threads where people have said that Baylor or Hugo should be starting.

This is moving the goalposts in a major way.  You were the one who said he is only a borderline rotation player.  No one who responded to you has made an argument that he should start.  I have said that I do think Hugo should be considered to start, and stand behind that, but this is a Baylor thread and Hugo is not in the conversation.

There have been several threads where people have mentioned both Baylor and Hugo starting. Not sure how that is moving goal posts. It?s just a fact.

Because you were the one who made an assertion, which you are now not backing up.  Instead you have decided to debate something different.

Adding something to a conversation is not debating something else or moving the goal posts. They have both been discussed as starters in threads.

.

Let us just move back to your original assertion.  Is he a borderline rotation player?

Yeah, I don?t get the hype. He is probably a borderline rotation guy. . If they are starting players that averaged 4 or 5 pts last year that?s a problem, IMO. Baylor (and Hugo) have a long ways to go.

Does it mean nothing to you that he was clearly in the rotation last year?  On a good team?  Like, this was a question about where Baylor stacks up leaguewide.  If we say that most teams have a 9-10 man rotation in the regular season, and there are 30 teams, are you really saying he is in the 300ish range of about 420 NBA players?  Low scoring average or not, that seems like a pretty harsh assessment.

After the All-Star break he averaged 8.6p/4.7r/2.4a/40.3% 3pt%/.620 TS%.

That's solid production for a rotation guy. 

[Goldstar88]

Baylor averaged 5ppg and there were several games where Joe did not play him. He is a borderline rotation player. Shooting was decent last year, defense not so much.

You are very weirdly negative about some things.  Several games he did not play?  He played 77 games, tied for third most on the team, all of two games behind Pritchard. He missed only one game after mid-November.  He averaged over 18 minutes a night for the season, started 20 games, and in his final 44 games (from the time of his first start) played 24 minutes a night.  This continued even after Tatum returned, which would have been a logical time for him to see a decrease in minutes, but he played 25 mpg from Tatum?s first game back onward.  And he averaged 14 minutes per night in the playoffs.  He was squarely in the rotation for a team that won 56 games.  He is not a future star, but he is also way more than a borderline rotation player.  He is much closer to fringe starter.

It is not negativity, I?m just being realistic. Saying guys should be starters when they average 4 or 5 points a game is silly to me. Especially when the team is expected to be a top 3 seed in the East this coming season.

Who is saying he should be a starter?

There's a wide gulf between "should be a starter" and "borderline rotation player". Baylor fits squarely in that gulf as a solid bench player.

I have read several threads where people have said that Baylor or Hugo should be starting.

This is moving the goalposts in a major way.  You were the one who said he is only a borderline rotation player.  No one who responded to you has made an argument that he should start.  I have said that I do think Hugo should be considered to start, and stand behind that, but this is a Baylor thread and Hugo is not in the conversation.

There have been several threads where people have mentioned both Baylor and Hugo starting. Not sure how that is moving goal posts. It?s just a fact.

Because you were the one who made an assertion, which you are now not backing up.  Instead you have decided to debate something different.

Adding something to a conversation is not debating something else or moving the goal posts. They have both been discussed as starters in threads.

.

Let us just move back to your original assertion.  Is he a borderline rotation player?

Yeah, I don?t get the hype. He is probably a borderline rotation guy. . If they are starting players that averaged 4 or 5 pts last year that?s a problem, IMO. Baylor (and Hugo) have a long ways to go.

Does it mean nothing to you that he was clearly in the rotation last year?  On a good team?  Like, this was a question about where Baylor stacks up leaguewide.  If we say that most teams have a 9-10 man rotation in the regular season, and there are 30 teams, are you really saying he is in the 300ish range of about 420 NBA players?  Low scoring average or not, that seems like a pretty harsh assessment.

We shall see what happens. Hopefully both Hugo and Baylor take that next step in their development this coming season.

[jambr380]

Baylor won't ever be a star, but he could max out at a Donte Divencenzo level player with continued incremental improvement and opportunity. He's the type of player that a coach can trust to have out on the floor to fill in the gaps without the ego of wanting to take over.

Baylor was in his own head for a while there, but he seems to have gotten back his confidence and he plays with a certain mojo when he's feeling good.