Jaylen streaming on Twitch right now talking about the trade and other things

[No Nickname]

A bit off topic, but do you guys think Philly will give JB the max extension? I think that?s the main problem Boston wanted to get out off. They would not want to deal with an ?unhappy and disrespected? JB if they did not offer him the extension. Now that problem is with Philly. Down the road they still have Maxey, Embiid, and maybe Edgecombe who they would need to pay.

Agree with Phantom, I think you would have to see how he fits in to the team, specifically Maxey and VJ. Because that's going to be the core they would be looking at post-Embiid. I would be very surprised if they signed him to an extension this season, since it would only be a one-year $70m extension they could give him. After this season they can give him a 2 year $140m extension.

Yeah what if Jaylen will only accept the max extension and the Sixers don?t feel he?s worth it?  And in three years he becomes a free agent on the open market?

The Sixers will be in the same position the Celtics would have been in. 

We might look at this trade differently then, especially if Philly flames out in the playoffs between now and then.

[Roy H.]

When do we address the elephant in the room? 

We didn't hear a peep out of Tatum when his brother was getting dragged through the mud by everybody with access to a microphone.  And when Jaylen was handing out his goodbyes, somebody's name was conspicuously absent. 

I think that's your smoking gun.  Not Brad.  Not even Chisholm.  We didn't save enough money on the deal for it to be ownership-driven.  I'm not even convinced that it was an analytics-driven move.  I'm sure that influenced the, erm, "value" we got back in the deal, but the Celtics seemed just fine with Brown's impact, analytics be d***ed, for ten years until suddenly they weren't. 

I'll be the one to say it:  I think Tatum wanted his team back.

If that's why the trade was made we should fire Brad.  Tatum isn't good enough to dictate the breakup of a championship core.

[Celtics4ever]

I still think Chisholm told Brad to do it.  He was not paying the supermax and told him to get rid of him.    Brad has not made a deal this terrible since his inception.    This as I said earlier, makes for business sense, than basketball sense.   I think they went up into the tax line to silence the fans but I think another deal is coming.

I do not think this will be for trade Murphy, I think it will be a salary dump of Hauser and cutting Banton as these will get us close to dodging the tax.  If this is not done now it will be done by the trade line.

There is a chance the trade will be expanded and although I hope this, I doubt it.

[Phantom255x]

When do we address the elephant in the room? 

We didn't hear a peep out of Tatum when his brother was getting dragged through the mud by everybody with access to a microphone.  And when Jaylen was handing out his goodbyes, somebody's name was conspicuously absent. 

I think that's your smoking gun.  Not Brad.  Not even Chisholm.  We didn't save enough money on the deal for it to be ownership-driven.  I'm not even convinced that it was an analytics-driven move.  I'm sure that influenced the, erm, "value" we got back in the deal, but the Celtics seemed just fine with Brown's impact, analytics be d***ed, for ten years until suddenly they weren't. 

I'll be the one to say it:  I think Tatum wanted his team back.

If that's why the trade was made we should fire Brad.  Tatum isn't good enough to dictate the breakup of a championship core.

Tatum is really close with Mazzulla (also influenced the decision to hire him after Udoka) and Derrick White is best friends with Tatum too. He has more influence than people here want to admit. And I kind of get it, it's a superstar driven league and these guys have power even within organizations to dictate some things.

If Tatum wanted Jaylen to stay, he isn't getting dumped for practically nothing. No way. Same with the philosophy of chucking 3s, doesn't Tatum seem into that too?

Sorry but I strongly disagree with this notion that Tatum is just a quiet "goody 2 shoes" that just goes along with everything and doesn't challenge anything he may disagree with himself.

[Roy H.]

When do we address the elephant in the room? 

We didn't hear a peep out of Tatum when his brother was getting dragged through the mud by everybody with access to a microphone.  And when Jaylen was handing out his goodbyes, somebody's name was conspicuously absent. 

I think that's your smoking gun.  Not Brad.  Not even Chisholm.  We didn't save enough money on the deal for it to be ownership-driven.  I'm not even convinced that it was an analytics-driven move.  I'm sure that influenced the, erm, "value" we got back in the deal, but the Celtics seemed just fine with Brown's impact, analytics be d***ed, for ten years until suddenly they weren't. 

I'll be the one to say it:  I think Tatum wanted his team back.

If that's why the trade was made we should fire Brad.  Tatum isn't good enough to dictate the breakup of a championship core.

Tatum is really close with Mazzulla (also influenced the decision to hire him after Udoka) and Derrick White is best friends with Tatum too. He has more influence than people here want to admit. And I kind of get it, it's a superstar driven league and these guys have power even within organizations to dictate some things.

If Tatum wanted Jaylen to stay, he isn't getting dumped for practically nothing. No way. Same with the philosophy of chucking 3s, doesn't Tatum seem into that too?

Sorry but I strongly disagree with this notion that Tatum is just a quiet "goody 2 shoes" that just goes along with everything and doesn't challenge anything he may disagree with himself.

Sure, maybe Tatum played a role.  His voice should have been a non-factor though.  Tatum is closer to Brown than he is an MVP, and even MVPs need to be reigned in in the personnel department (see LeBron).

[ozgod]

When do we address the elephant in the room? 

We didn't hear a peep out of Tatum when his brother was getting dragged through the mud by everybody with access to a microphone.  And when Jaylen was handing out his goodbyes, somebody's name was conspicuously absent. 

I think that's your smoking gun.  Not Brad.  Not even Chisholm.  We didn't save enough money on the deal for it to be ownership-driven.  I'm not even convinced that it was an analytics-driven move.  I'm sure that influenced the, erm, "value" we got back in the deal, but the Celtics seemed just fine with Brown's impact, analytics be d***ed, for ten years until suddenly they weren't. 

I'll be the one to say it:  I think Tatum wanted his team back.

If that's why the trade was made we should fire Brad.  Tatum isn't good enough to dictate the breakup of a championship core.

Tatum is really close with Mazzulla (also influenced the decision to hire him after Udoka) and Derrick White is best friends with Tatum too. He has more influence than people here want to admit. And I kind of get it, it's a superstar driven league and these guys have power even within organizations to dictate some things.

If Tatum wanted Jaylen to stay, he isn't getting dumped for practically nothing. No way. Same with the philosophy of chucking 3s, doesn't Tatum seem into that too?

Sorry but I strongly disagree with this notion that Tatum is just a quiet "goody 2 shoes" that just goes along with everything and doesn't challenge anything he may disagree with himself.

Is there any evidence that Tatum had a role in this though? Or are we just speculating? I can't find any evidence or even a report from a credible source that he had something to do with it. I listened (endured) listening to Felger and Mazz all yesterday and they didn't bring it up either. Not to say it's not true, but I can't find evidence.

I'm happy to speculate like everyone else but I'm also reluctant to go into the season blaming Tatum for something he might not have done, which would affect my perception of him based on what might be a falsehood. But I guess everyone makes their own decision based on what they like/don't like about a player. 

[timpiker]

I'm glad he's gone.  Not happy with what we got back though.

[ozgod]

Jaylen is definitely bitter about how he was "packed up", as he keeps describing it. He mentioned it again in a stream with IShowSpeed while they were watching the France-Morocco World Cup match.

As for Brown, he saw the move differently.

?I just got traded. ? They packed me up, bro. It?s a crazy business, bro. Don?t become a basketball player,? Brown told streamer IShowSpeed while they watched the World Cup quarterfinal match between France and Morocco on Thursday and discussed his recent trade. ?There?s no loyalty. There?s no love.?

When IShowSpeed asked Brown what happened, he said: ?That?s a real good question. I think a lot of people wanna hear that ? they asking that question right now. I don?t know. I got packed up.

?They packed me up, ?Sayonara.? ? I?m outta here.?

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7435051/2026/07/09/jaylen-brown-trade-joe-mazzulla-comments-celtics/

[Who]

Jaylen is definitely bitter about how he was "packed up", as he keeps describing it. He mentioned it again in a stream with IShowSpeed while they were watching the France-Morocco World Cup match.

As for Brown, he saw the move differently.

?I just got traded. ? They packed me up, bro. It?s a crazy business, bro. Don?t become a basketball player,? Brown told streamer IShowSpeed while they watched the World Cup quarterfinal match between France and Morocco on Thursday and discussed his recent trade. ?There?s no loyalty. There?s no love.?

When IShowSpeed asked Brown what happened, he said: ?That?s a real good question. I think a lot of people wanna hear that ? they asking that question right now. I don?t know. I got packed up.

?They packed me up, ?Sayonara.? ? I?m outta here.?

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7435051/2026/07/09/jaylen-brown-trade-joe-mazzulla-comments-celtics/

I don't blame him.

How many others spent 10 years with a franchise, helped them win a title, won a Finals MVP and were shipped out after having their best individual season and leading an overachieving team to the 4th best record in the NBA?

To be dumped in that moment is a slap in the face.

[Who]

How many others spent 10 years with a franchise, helped them win a title, won a Finals MVP and were shipped out after having their best individual season and leading an overachieving team to the 4th best record in the NBA?

Cedric Maxwell has similarities. He was the closest comp I could think of as I wrote that.

Not quite 10 years but close at 8 years. Won 2 Championships. Never the level of player Jaylen was. Never made an All-Star game. Nevermind an All-NBA team. Jaylen has 5 All-Star appearances and 2 All-NBAs. Max did win a Finals MVP. Never led the team like Jaylen did last year. Max was the best player on a 29 win team in 1979. Jaylen was the best player on a 56 win team.

Max also had some injury issues and saw his playing time reduced and eventually slashed in the playoffs. He had one more good year before having two below average years before retiring. So BOS was at least somewhat correct about his health being a concern. Jaylen has none of those issues.

So some similarities but a totally different level of player. Jaylen has accomplished much more individually than Max has.

[RodyTur10]

Jaylen is definitely bitter about how he was "packed up", as he keeps describing it. He mentioned it again in a stream with IShowSpeed while they were watching the France-Morocco World Cup match.

As for Brown, he saw the move differently.

?I just got traded. ? They packed me up, bro. It?s a crazy business, bro. Don?t become a basketball player,? Brown told streamer IShowSpeed while they watched the World Cup quarterfinal match between France and Morocco on Thursday and discussed his recent trade. ?There?s no loyalty. There?s no love.?

When IShowSpeed asked Brown what happened, he said: ?That?s a real good question. I think a lot of people wanna hear that ? they asking that question right now. I don?t know. I got packed up.

?They packed me up, ?Sayonara.? ? I?m outta here.?

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7435051/2026/07/09/jaylen-brown-trade-joe-mazzulla-comments-celtics/

I don't blame him.

How many others spent 10 years with a franchise, helped them win a title, won a Finals MVP and were shipped out after having their best individual season and leading an overachieving team to the 4th best record in the NBA?

To be dumped in that moment is a slap in the face.

Well, it's a business. The Celtics have been known to be rather drastic. But that approach to building a winning environment above loyalty is exactly how they were able to win a Championship with Brown.

I don't believe Smart was happy when he was shipped out after years of hard en loyal service, while also winning DPOY. Neither must Williams have been after battling multiple injuries and see that devotion unrewarded.

But without those moves we wouldn't have had Holiday and Porzingis and we probably don't win the Championship in 2024.

Obviously Brown has a different view, but the organization believes the best path to a new Championship was making this trade. And therefore I applaude their determination to make these tough moves.

Doesn't mean Brown is not appreciated for all the years of basketball memories in Boston.

[ozgod]

Jaylen is definitely bitter about how he was "packed up", as he keeps describing it. He mentioned it again in a stream with IShowSpeed while they were watching the France-Morocco World Cup match.

As for Brown, he saw the move differently.

?I just got traded. ? They packed me up, bro. It?s a crazy business, bro. Don?t become a basketball player,? Brown told streamer IShowSpeed while they watched the World Cup quarterfinal match between France and Morocco on Thursday and discussed his recent trade. ?There?s no loyalty. There?s no love.?

When IShowSpeed asked Brown what happened, he said: ?That?s a real good question. I think a lot of people wanna hear that ? they asking that question right now. I don?t know. I got packed up.

?They packed me up, ?Sayonara.? ? I?m outta here.?

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7435051/2026/07/09/jaylen-brown-trade-joe-mazzulla-comments-celtics/

I don't blame him.

How many others spent 10 years with a franchise, helped them win a title, won a Finals MVP and were shipped out after having their best individual season and leading an overachieving team to the 4th best record in the NBA?

To be dumped in that moment is a slap in the face.

Well, it's a business. The Celtics have been known to be rather drastic. But that approach to building a winning environment above loyalty is exactly how they were able to win a Championship with Brown.

I don't believe Smart was happy when he was shipped out after years of hard en loyal service, while also winning DPOY. Neither must Williams have been after battling multiple injuries and see that devotion unrewarded.

But without those moves we wouldn't have had Holiday and Porzingis and we probably don't win the Championship in 2024.

Obviously Brown has a different view, but the organization believes the best path to a new Championship was making this trade. And therefore I applaude their determination to make these tough moves.

Doesn't mean Brown is not appreciated for all the years of basketball memories in Boston.

Yes, from the team's standpoint it's always better to trade them when the time's right for you than have them demand a trade or leave in free agency for their own reasons. Of course, the players will have the opposite view 

[gift]

Jaylen is definitely bitter about how he was "packed up", as he keeps describing it. He mentioned it again in a stream with IShowSpeed while they were watching the France-Morocco World Cup match.

As for Brown, he saw the move differently.

?I just got traded. ? They packed me up, bro. It?s a crazy business, bro. Don?t become a basketball player,? Brown told streamer IShowSpeed while they watched the World Cup quarterfinal match between France and Morocco on Thursday and discussed his recent trade. ?There?s no loyalty. There?s no love.?

When IShowSpeed asked Brown what happened, he said: ?That?s a real good question. I think a lot of people wanna hear that ? they asking that question right now. I don?t know. I got packed up.

?They packed me up, ?Sayonara.? ? I?m outta here.?

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7435051/2026/07/09/jaylen-brown-trade-joe-mazzulla-comments-celtics/

I guess I should blame myself for constantly being surprised when players are shocked they got traded. I understand the hurt feelings, but they see people around them get traded all the time and suddenly when it's their turn they act like a dormant volcano suddenly erupted out of nowhere.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Jaylen is definitely bitter about how he was "packed up", as he keeps describing it. He mentioned it again in a stream with IShowSpeed while they were watching the France-Morocco World Cup match.

As for Brown, he saw the move differently.

?I just got traded. ? They packed me up, bro. It?s a crazy business, bro. Don?t become a basketball player,? Brown told streamer IShowSpeed while they watched the World Cup quarterfinal match between France and Morocco on Thursday and discussed his recent trade. ?There?s no loyalty. There?s no love.?

When IShowSpeed asked Brown what happened, he said: ?That?s a real good question. I think a lot of people wanna hear that ? they asking that question right now. I don?t know. I got packed up.

?They packed me up, ?Sayonara.? ? I?m outta here.?

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7435051/2026/07/09/jaylen-brown-trade-joe-mazzulla-comments-celtics/

I guess I should blame myself for constantly being surprised when players are shocked they got traded. I understand the hurt feelings, but they see people around them get traded all the time and suddenly when it's their turn they act like a dormant volcano suddenly erupted out of nowhere.

Getting moved to a different city is an occupational hazard of a job that pays you 60 million a year.

"Don't become a basketball player." 

[Roy H.]

So, my feelings on the trade are well known.  Terrible value, we should have kept JB and mended fences, or paid the price for Giannis.  It was unacceptable to end up with a 36 year old with a history of physical and mental health injuries.  We've taken a giant step back in terms of being able to win a title, and there's no clear avenue to get back to contention.

But, I do think that parting ways with JB probably goes beyond analytics, his relationship with JT, his contract, etc.  My guess is that management / ownership had some concerns about an outspoken player without much of a filter who was also prone to conspiracy theories.  JB thrived on feeling aggrieved.  It fueled him.  But, one false step and it can turn into a PR nightmare.

This off-season, JB immediately went on Twitch talking about this being his favorite season.  That rubbed people the wrong way, because it seemed to be a comment about personal achievement rather than team success.  He also vocally picked a fight with the Beverly Hills PD about them shutting down an event he was hoasting.

In the past, he's had controversies with the Olympics selection committee and has been associated with toxic personalities like Kanye West and Kyrie Irving.  He kept up a social media post applauding an anti-Semitic group outside of MSG, even after being educated about the group's offensive views.

And, his social media platform seemed to be growing.  My guess is that one of the reasons the team didn't want to keep JB on board is because they saw him as a ticking timebomb, somebody who would eventually say something negative about the organization or something so toxic that it reflected poorly on the team.  The Celtics try to keep a very clean team image (remember Ime), and I can't help but think that this factored in.

Players rightfully hate the phrase "shut up and dribble".  They're citizens, too, and they have a right to speak their minds.  But, it's also a business, and no business wants a high-profile employee that might create a media firestorm. 

That's the only way the trade makes sense to me, i guess.  The team worried that JB would do something to damage the brand.  (Although, how much can words actually damage the brand?  The league is full of guys accused or convicted of domestic violence, there's a gambling scandal, etc.  Kyrie is back to being celebrated again.  I would imagine anything that JB said would blow over without any real damage.)