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How did JB suddenly become a victim in this narrative?

The Celtics gave him a max contract and then sent him to a contender. I mean, if you were going to ship someone out, they literally sent him to one of the best situations possible, no?

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How did JB suddenly become a victim in this narrative?

The Celtics gave him a max contract and then sent him to a contender. I mean, if you were going to ship someone out, they literally sent him to one of the best situations possible, no?

I think getting shipped out with no warning from a gig you like to a completely new set of circumstances is going to be annoying at the best of times, and the trade has been met with an awful lot of vitriol pointed at JB as well as the front office.

It's hard to be too sympathetic to a guy making that much money, but it's not as if fulfilment needs are entirely determined by your salary - hard to feel like you were a valued contributor to the team when everyone is talking about A) how bad your contract is (which is a reflection on your performance) and B) how little your on-the-court performance is valued (based on the trade package, which is also a reflection on your performance).
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How did JB suddenly become a victim in this narrative?

The Celtics gave him a max contract and then sent him to a contender. I mean, if you were going to ship someone out, they literally sent him to one of the best situations possible, no?

100%. Imagine having a 50 million dollar per year job in one city, then getting a pay raise, with even more opportunities for professional satisfaction, and getting to go to another city you get to explore and live in carefree. Philadelphia is incredible.

This is all so ridiculous.

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Definitely broken relationship. Brown look lost at this point. I am over him at this point. All the best but I still respect and love Tatum a lot more.

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"The guys that I was able to build with, those guys that reached out to me, just told me - Neemy (Queta), Luka (Garza), all those guys told me 'It was a pleasure to play with you, and I appreciate everything that you helped with.'

So that's the stuff that gives you more motivation to keep going. So I'm grateful, and it was a pleasure. If this was my last year as a Celtic, this was an awesome year."

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How did JB suddenly become a victim in this narrative?

The Celtics gave him a max contract and then sent him to a contender. I mean, if you were going to ship someone out, they literally sent him to one of the best situations possible, no?

I think getting shipped out with no warning from a gig you like to a completely new set of circumstances is going to be annoying at the best of times, and the trade has been met with an awful lot of vitriol pointed at JB as well as the front office.

It's hard to be too sympathetic to a guy making that much money, but it's not as if fulfilment needs are entirely determined by your salary - hard to feel like you were a valued contributor to the team when everyone is talking about A) how bad your contract is (which is a reflection on your performance) and B) how little your on-the-court performance is valued (based on the trade package, which is also a reflection on your performance).

But the Celtics never went out and said that JBs contract was bad and many are saying the Celtics got fleeced aka they get poor value in return. And yet I still see this narrative that Boston did JB dirty. Like, what? How?

Having to move because of a trade is tough but if so, where is the sympathy for Paul George? Why is no one crying for Tyler Herro?
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How did JB suddenly become a victim in this narrative?

The Celtics gave him a max contract and then sent him to a contender. I mean, if you were going to ship someone out, they literally sent him to one of the best situations possible, no?

I think getting shipped out with no warning from a gig you like to a completely new set of circumstances is going to be annoying at the best of times, and the trade has been met with an awful lot of vitriol pointed at JB as well as the front office.

It's hard to be too sympathetic to a guy making that much money, but it's not as if fulfilment needs are entirely determined by your salary - hard to feel like you were a valued contributor to the team when everyone is talking about A) how bad your contract is (which is a reflection on your performance) and B) how little your on-the-court performance is valued (based on the trade package, which is also a reflection on your performance).

But the Celtics never went out and said that JBs contract was bad and many are saying the Celtics got fleeced aka they get poor value in return. And yet I still see this narrative that Boston did JB dirty. Like, what? How?

Having to move because of a trade is tough but if so, where is the sympathy for Paul George? Why is no one crying for Tyler Herro?

The Celtics don't need to say his contract is 'bad' (aka poor value, aka he's overpaid) if they decided to trade him for the corpse of Paul George and a couple of first-round picks.

The dude is two years out from being the Finals MVP on a team - not to mention a market - that places a big emphasis on homegrown talent and he's been unceremoniously shunted out for peanuts for a variety of reasons, none of them good, according to most of the takes going around online... and we know that he's terminally online, so he's absolutely seeing all of them.

Brown will be fine, obviously, but in the initial 48 hours I don't begrudge him feeling a bit down on himself.
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When do we address the elephant in the room? 

We didn't hear a peep out of Tatum when his brother was getting dragged through the mud by everybody with access to a microphone.  And when Jaylen was handing out his goodbyes, somebody's name was conspicuously absent. 

I think that's your smoking gun.  Not Brad.  Not even Chisholm.  We didn't save enough money on the deal for it to be ownership-driven.  I'm not even convinced that it was an analytics-driven move.  I'm sure that influenced the, erm, "value" we got back in the deal, but the Celtics seemed just fine with Brown's impact, analytics be d***ed, for ten years until suddenly they weren't. 

I'll be the one to say it:  I think Tatum wanted his team back.

Of course this is all speculation, but I get the impression that Brown has been bitter and jealosu towards Tatum for years.  JB was there before Tatum was, and yet it's always Tatum being the #1 option, being the face of the franchise, getting all of the accolades while Brown has always been talked about as beign Tatum's robin and gotten dragged through trade rumors.

Have you ever watched Everybody Loves Raymond?  They are brothers, of course they love each other, they have been through everything together.  And yet Robert can't help but resent Raymond because all their lives Ray has always gotten all the luck, all the recognition and all the success....while Robert, no matter how hard he tries or how much he succeeds, can never quite manage to get out from under Ray's shadow.  ERvery time Robert achievies something in his life, Raymond manages to achieve somethign that is just that little bit more impressive.  In those rare moments when Ray find himself on the receiving end of a little bad luck, Robert can't help but actually feel a sense of guilty pleasure / satisfaction.

I feel liek the Raymond./Robert relationship in that show is pretty much a direct mirror of the situation between Tatum and Brown.  I don't think Brown was happy that Tatum suffered a horrible injury...I'm sure he probably felt horrible about it.  But then the season started, he was playing great, and all of that usual JT sportlight started to shine on him.  For the first time in his career he probably felt appreciarted and recognised.  And once he started feeling that it likely became addictive.  I'm sure that consciously he never would have felt happy that Tatum was out with an injury...but deep in his subconscious he probably loved every minute of it...it probably was genuinely his favourite season of his career because he finally felt apprecated, and aftger so many years of living in Tatum's shadow he probably felt the need to express that and probably didn't really care how it sounded to other people because in his mind, that little bit of shade is nothing compared to what he's been feelikng every since Tatum arrived in Boston.  Also he probably felt that he was kinda untouchable after everything he achiaved that season.

When SAS called him out for this  it probably struck a nerve because Brown probably does feel that way, and part of him probably feels guilty for feeliing that way, so when he got called out for hit the natural response was to get defensive. 

Yes, this is absolutely all conjecture.  It's entirely possible that none of this is true.  But I think there is probably IS a lot of truth to it, because frankly speaking that is probably how I (and most of us) would feel if we were put in that position. 

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How did JB suddenly become a victim in this narrative?

The Celtics gave him a max contract and then sent him to a contender. I mean, if you were going to ship someone out, they literally sent him to one of the best situations possible, no?

I think getting shipped out with no warning from a gig you like to a completely new set of circumstances is going to be annoying at the best of times, and the trade has been met with an awful lot of vitriol pointed at JB as well as the front office.

It's hard to be too sympathetic to a guy making that much money, but it's not as if fulfilment needs are entirely determined by your salary - hard to feel like you were a valued contributor to the team when everyone is talking about A) how bad your contract is (which is a reflection on your performance) and B) how little your on-the-court performance is valued (based on the trade package, which is also a reflection on your performance).

But the Celtics never went out and said that JBs contract was bad and many are saying the Celtics got fleeced aka they get poor value in return. And yet I still see this narrative that Boston did JB dirty. Like, what? How?

Having to move because of a trade is tough but if so, where is the sympathy for Paul George? Why is no one crying for Tyler Herro?

To be fair,. Tyler Herro is not Jaylen Brown.  36 year old Paul George is not Jaylen Brown. 

Neither of those guys could say that they felt they carried a team of scrapts to 58 wins and a #2 seed.   Nobody on planet earth looked at either of those guys as if they are legitimate MVP candidates. Not saying the rest of the Celtics roster was scraps by any means, but probably does feel like he dragged that team further then anyone ever has with that level of supporting talent. 

Also Tyler Herro was traded in a deal for Giannis - one of the greatest players of this generation, and will probably go down as of the greatest of all time. Herro was very clearly traded for a better player -and I doubt even he woudl disagree with that.  At this point in his carfeer, Peul George probably feels the same way too. 

The difference for brown woudl be the fact that he likely felt he was being traded away for a far inferior package.  You have to feel pretty jaded if you get shipped away for someone is pretty much universally accepted around the league as being inferior to you at the current point in time. 

This is a really hard situation.  I feel bad for Brown because I really do feel he deserved more from the Celtics.  But at the same time I 100% understand why Brad did what he did, and frankly speaking if I were in his position I might well do the same.  The current CBA just isn't forgiving at all towards a team that has $120M tied up in two guys who play almost the exact same way. 

I can completely understand the Celtics wanting to move on from Brown...and I can I can also completly understand Brown feeling like this was a stab in the back and like he deserved better.  I think that 1 or 2 years from now we might find that this deal actually turned out to be the best thing for both parties.

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A bit off topic, but do you guys think Philly will give JB the max extension? I think that?s the main problem Boston wanted to get out off. They would not want to deal with an ?unhappy and disrespected? JB if they did not offer him the extension. Now that problem is with Philly. Down the road they still have Maxey, Embiid, and maybe Edgecombe who they would need to pay.

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A bit off topic, but do you guys think Philly will give JB the max extension? I think that?s the main problem Boston wanted to get out off. They would not want to deal with an ?unhappy and disrespected? JB if they did not offer him the extension. Now that problem is with Philly. Down the road they still have Maxey, Embiid, and maybe Edgecombe who they would need to pay.

I don't think so, no. Not without seeing how this season goes first.
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A bit off topic, but do you guys think Philly will give JB the max extension? I think that?s the main problem Boston wanted to get out off. They would not want to deal with an ?unhappy and disrespected? JB if they did not offer him the extension. Now that problem is with Philly. Down the road they still have Maxey, Embiid, and maybe Edgecombe who they would need to pay.

Philly can only give him an extra year right now, instead of the extra 2 Boston could have given him.  If they want to give a longer extension they need to wait for next summer.  If they give a short one now, they have to wait two years for the next extension, so both sides may have incentive to wait until next summer.  That said, if JB wants one and the Sixers acquiesce, they are taking on less than the Celtics would have been required to.

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Have to say - will enjoy not hearing about his streams any longer.
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