C's expecting Pritchard to have Brunson type jump in numbers(yahoo)

[Who]

So as it stands our starting lineup should be

Pp.      / conley
White. / HUGO
George/ scheirmen
Tatum /  walsh
Robinson/Queta

#1 Tatum = 25ppg +
#2 Pritchard  = 22ppg
#3 George. = 15ppg
#4 white.   = 15ppg


That should be the order the offense runs through.
While having the potential to be a dominante defensive team. I say C's should be top 3 in the East this year.

I am expecting Pritchard to come off the bench again because Brad refused to sign a bench guard to allow Pritchard to start. Conley isn't good enough. He is kaput. He won't play. Dalano Banton is better than Conley at this point.

G: D White, Pritchard
G: Scheierman, J Walsh
F: Paul George, Hauser
F: Tatum, Hugo
C: Queta, M Robinson

That is the team I am expecting to see next year.

That 5th starter could be a revolving door between Baylor, Hauser, J Walsh, Hugo. Ideally it would be Hugo or J Walsh because of their defense but that depends on if their outside shooting can be consistent enough or not.

[Who]

If you look at PG13, PP, and DW as 3rd / 4th options it's nice to have three guys there.  And Baylor was left out of the discussion - maybe on purpose - but he has shooting ability across the board and while he probably doesn't emerge as a 3rd option (as a starter) I think he could be in the tier below PP, PG, DW next season.   But your analysis does reveal a hole left by Brown that would be great to fill with a trade for Trey Murphy (still dreaming). 

(1) Yes, it is still good to have 3 guys who are 3rd-4th options. I think that will carry us well through the regular season. I see not having a true 2nd option (or even high quality 3rd option - scoring wise) as more of an issue come playoff time.

That if teams can limit Tatum or if Tatum has some bad scoring games (as he has done in the playoffs in the past), there is nobody able to step up and provide cover for him. For example, Jaylen did very well in the ECF Finals and Finals which is why he got the MVP award for them. He covered for Tatum.

Now there is no cover for Tatum on those nights. The 3 other guys are good at playing off of Tatum and contributing around 15ppg each but all 3 of them will struggle to up their scoring on those nights when Tatum is contained / playing poorly. They do not have the shot-creation skills.

(2) I forgot Baylor. I would couple him with Hauser. Less shooting but a bit more passing / connectivity play. I would describe Baylor as quite a limited offensive player.

This is because his scoring numbers relative to playing time are quite low. He scored 5.5ppg in 18.6mpg which is 10.9pts per 36min. That is a low rate of scoring. That is the same as Jordan Walsh.

I like Baylor when he takes spot up jump-shots. He is very good at that. He terrifies me whenever he tries to shoot a jump-shot off the dribble. A 3, a midrange 2, any type of jump shot off the dribble - terrifies me. So he is limited. He is only really a spot up shooter like Hauser is.

And relative to Hauser, he isn't as good of a spot up shooter. Hauser has a much quicker shot release and will take some semi-contested 3s. This allows Hauser to get up 6.5 threes in 24.8mpg versus 3.2 threes in 18.6mpg for Baylor. Or 9.4 threes per 36min for Hauser vs 6.1 for Baylor. So Hauser gets up 50% more 3s per minute than Baylor - because of the quick release and ability to take 3s that are more contested. Baylor has to be more open. He has to have more time. And if he doesn't have time - he can't score.

[Phantom255x]

This whole offseason is becoming a clownshow.

So the C's front office went from being tight-knit and serious, to suddenly having every single detail and rumor leaked to the media? Then you have this dumb trade to begin with. Then you have some of these analytics articles being posted where it's like "the Celtics believe White actually was better than Jaylen last year", and "we believe Pritchard can become like Jalen Brunson". You know, a guy who just won Finals MVP and is one of the clutchest players in the NBA, no biggie.

This organization is getting eviscerated and laughed at around the league and by most fanbases and unfortunately it's mostly deserved. Can't even really argue with anyone or deny most of the criticisms and talking points.

[Who]

Tom Haberstroh was on with Kevin O'Connor in a short 10min clip for Yahoo Sports. He is pushing the case for Pritchard to have a breakout season next year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugnLANf9PZU

And why this deal might not be so bad for BOS. Pritchard's emergence and better allocation of money under the cap with his budget deal being so valuable.

KOC reminded everyone that Noa Dalzell said that Pritchard would be an All-Star someday. Now everyone is jumping on board of that.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

This whole offseason is becoming a clownshow.

So the C's front office went from being tight-knit and serious, to suddenly having every single detail and rumor leaked to the media? Then you have this dumb trade to begin with. Then you have some of these analytics articles being posted where it's like "the Celtics believe White actually was better than Jaylen last year", and "we believe Pritchard can become like Jalen Brunson". You know, a guy who just won Finals MVP and is one of the clutchest players in the NBA, no biggie.

This organization is getting eviscerated and laughed at around the league and by most fanbases and unfortunately it's mostly deserved. Can't even really argue with anyone or deny most of the criticisms and talking points.

giannis was there. you get him. u pay extra and get him. he makes us a contender.

we are not a contender now. whole thing is joke.  we have actually gotten worse. congrats brad and our clown owners

[trickybilly]

This whole offseason is becoming a clownshow.

So the C's front office went from being tight-knit and serious, to suddenly having every single detail and rumor leaked to the media? Then you have this dumb trade to begin with. Then you have some of these analytics articles being posted where it's like "the Celtics believe White actually was better than Jaylen last year", and "we believe Pritchard can become like Jalen Brunson". You know, a guy who just won Finals MVP and is one of the clutchest players in the NBA, no biggie.

This organization is getting eviscerated and laughed at around the league and by most fanbases and unfortunately it's mostly deserved. Can't even really argue with anyone or deny most of the criticisms and talking points.

There is zero evidence that the Celtics leaked either "...(think) White is better than Jaylen", or that "Pritchard is going to be Brunson"

In the first case, it makes no sense that the Celts would try to reduce Jaylen's trade value - the source is an "anonymous analytics guy"... and in the second, it's just Haberstroh thinking out loud.

Honestly, who cares the front office is getting eviscerated? I seriously doubt any future Free Agents will be skittish about signing now that the Jaylen trade went down. Brad is WIDELY respected throughout the league.

If anything, I think most of the league is thinking "Wow, there must be something up with Jaylen".

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

if we could not get giannis which there is no excuse because he was there. you DO NOT DUMP brown now just because he is MAD. screw him. you make his butt come back and then trade him before the trade deadline next season.

This whole thing is a colossal failure. idiots in charge. 

[keevsnick]

More data to backup Rondohondo's Pritchard theory

Pritchard's stats with Jaylen on the court vs Pritchard's stats with Jaylen not on the court. Huge difference.



Man, that picture is huge. Here is a link

In 10 games this season without Brown in uniform, Pritchard elevated his game to all-league levels. The 28-year-old averaged 25.2 points, 7 assists and 4.8 rebounds while shooting 51.3% on 2s and 44.4% on 3s. Notably, the Celtics went 8-2 in those games.

This image has become extremely annoying to me, because people are misinterpreting what it means.

Jaylen being gone is not going to magically make Pritchard better. What the image tells you is that PP played very well when Jaylen was off the court and he got a huge USG boost, that's not surprising, guys paten score more with more USG. But it also shows that he shot MUCH better from three with Jaylen off, and that's just pure shooting luck. Adjust for 3 point shooting and you'll ee that with Jaylen off PP's USG went up, his scoring went up, but his efficiency went down. All that's pretty typical.

Again we've ALREADY SEEN what he looks like as a #2, his overall USG is unlikely to go up much with Tatum replacing Brown and George slotting in on the wing. In fact it may very well go down.

How is it shooting luck, when he is taking a larger number of shots and had a higher %, when he is on the floor without JB?

Because if you adjust the 3 point shooting then its a guy taking more shots at the same or slightly worse efficiency against units that are almost entirely composed of backups. It's almost exactly what you'd expect to happen.

I'm not saying Pritchard isn't good, or even that he couldn't be better next year. He's been better pretty much every season of his career. Its just that the idea he's going to be Brunson is really, really, really unlikely. Brunson had his career skyrocket at 25/26, the age when guys are entering their prime. Pritchard is turning 29 next year.  An all-nba leap at that age would be nearly unprecedented.

I could see him sniffing all-star with more USG and better 3 point shooting, but beyond that its just unlikely.