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Re: Proposed Jaylen Brown Trade Ideas
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Jrue Holiday. 2 years/$72m left on his deal. I was stunned when I learned that Cleveland could have traded for Holiday instead of Harden- simply because Jrue has a ton left in the tank, even for a 36 going on 37 year old.

I did not hear about that. Man, they blew that decision.

This begs the question, is:

Holiday > Grant  ?

Oh definitely. Jrue is a quality starter. Probably a middle of the pack starting PG which is partially due to the immense talent at the position. And a top 10-12 starting SG. He is still a very good player.

Jerami Grant as a starter is in the bottom 10 of starting SFs and probably the bottom 5 of starting PFs. Maybe bottom of starting SFs too. Not sure. He might just escape that.

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But the thing is ... Portland will be acquiring Jaylen Brown to compete for a title. They will want to keep Jrue Holiday. They will want to give up picks instead. Trading away win-now players defeats POR's purpose of trading for Jaylen Brown.

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« Reply #196 on: Today at 03:11:48 PM »

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What is the goal with these Jaylen trades? 

I'd rather ask a disgruntled Jaylen to be a professional for a year while we look for a move that makes sense for us than pretend that a trade for Scoot Henderson and Jerami freaking Grant makes us a contender.  I wouldn't have asked Tatum to shoulder an entire offense by himself even before his injury; not with any expectation of contention.  Certainly not now. 

But if the goal is to hit the red button, by all means, take Scoot and some picks, trade D White next, give Tatum a year to prove that he's healthy and then either reload with those acquired assets or trade him too.  Then wake me in 2029.  Maybe the unchecked growth of sports gambling won't have burned this pastime to the ground by then.

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« Reply #197 on: Today at 03:14:42 PM »

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The Celtics at a minimum need one of the following three things: a boatload of outright picks, substantial cap and tax relief, or three quality players, two of whom would be capable of starting on this year's Brownless team and last year's Tatumless version of this team.  Preferably they would get two of those three things.  This deal provides zero.

The idea of Scoot, Sharpe, Grant, and picks does not do it for me unless they are able to flip these assets and get some starter level players from another team.  That package seems like something MIL would have been interested in but I don't see how it works for BOS.

Despite having just railed against the deal, I think it is defensible with enough picks.  It probably takes about 5 picks for it to reach that status, but there is a threshold.  I look at it like this.  Last year, the Celtics were pretty successful for the first 2/3 of the year (pre-trade deadline) with a starting lineup of White, Pritchard, Brown, random wing, and Queta.  Even if all the players we got from Portland are bench players, as I assert, then the lineup would be White, Pritchard, Tatum, random wing, and Queta.  The bench is largely the same, with a bunch of other random wings buttressed by the Portland wings.  The only substantial change on the bench is Scoot instead of Simons.  Could a former #3 pick in his fourth year approximate what Simons gave to us if he gets healthy?  Not crazy.  Also, Tatum is better than Brown.  Last year?s team was a first-round exit, but could have probably gone further with a better first-round matchup (Toronto, for example, was a 5-seed and we dominated them all year).  This year, probably the same thing.  Not a championship, but not dire.

Yeah, I see it the same way. I view that team as a 50+ win team but not built for playoff success. So we still have a very good team. Just not a great team.

The Celtics would not need to make an immediate move.  They could, of course, but staying the course would leave the Celtics with a competitive team with upside.  Maybe Sharpe learns how to play basketball instead of just being an athlete.  Maybe it clicks for Scoot and he stays healthy, and the talent them made him the #3 pick shines.  Maybe Hugo takes another large step forward in year 2.  Reloaded with picks, maybe the Celtics can turn Jerami Grant on an expiring contract into whichever star hits the trade market next summer.  Right now the Celtics path forward is narrow.  More immediate (get the right free agent, get a healthy Tatum for a year, and see one young wing out of about 5 take a leap to be a true starter), but narrow.  The Celtics, with enough picks from Portland (in this example, but we can sub in several other teams and wind up in a similar place) are further from immediate contention but have way more possibilities of getting there than the current Celtics.  The Celtics with an insufficient number of picks have fewer avenues, however, while being further in the present to boot.  So that is the needle Brad must thread.

Agreed. One of those young players takes a step forward and that 50+ win team turns into a 55+ win team.

I like Scoot as having the best chance to do that. Shaedon Sharpe has a shot also. And Hugo & J Walsh have a shot if they can develop some consistency with their outside shot. So multiple swings at it. Odds are at least one of them takes a substantial step forward.

I also agree that all those picks give BOS a good opportunity at a large improvement in a future trade that could take them back into title contention.

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I prefer our chances at immediate / short term success with Jaylen. I do expect us to be a 55+ win or maybe even a 60+ win team next season if keep Jaylen.

I do like our chances to improve our supporting cast enough with the flexibility we have to be a title contender. Either this season or next season.

And we still have Hugo or J Walsh could take a step forward and become a high quality role player if they become a more consistent shooter.

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« Reply #198 on: Today at 03:16:19 PM »

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- Camara or Clingan
- Jerami Grant or Jrue (salary)
- 1 of Sharpe or Henderson
- 3 future first round picks (2 of them being the Bucks picks)

I'd take something like that. But yeah, if Clingan/Camara aren't part of the deal, forget it. These other proposals to me are laughable and at that point, just hit the reset and consider Tatum/White trades too. Because trading Jaylen for a role player and picks doesn't put you in contention the next few years either. Giannis would have at least signified a desire to make a run over the next 2-3 years. Everything else, nope. At least Camara/Clingan is a nice piece and you can flip the other assets for another player, but sorry Sharpe/Henderson on their own doesn't help. You get worse.
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Re: Proposed Jaylen Brown Trade Ideas
« Reply #199 on: Today at 03:31:42 PM »

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What is the goal with these Jaylen trades? 

I'd rather ask a disgruntled Jaylen to be a professional for a year while we look for a move that makes sense for us than pretend that a trade for Scoot Henderson and Jerami freaking Grant makes us a contender.

I don't think we get any better offers for Jaylen 12 months from now. He will be older. His contract will be closer to expiring / closer to his next max extension.

I think this is it. You either trade Jaylen now or you don't trade him at all. I believe his trade value only goes down from here on in.

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« Reply #200 on: Today at 03:35:11 PM »

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Grant starting over Sam is not saying much because Sam was terrible as a starter. But this just shows how bad this roster will be if you make this move. Literally a play in team.

As for Grant...I absolutely hate the guy. He has not played more than 60 games in a season since 2020. He got hurt at the end of the season again last year when he felt a pop in his calf. Was a non factor in the playoffs. He has been a non factor in the playoffs his entire career.

You simply can't count on him to replace any portion of JB's scoring. It is a mistake to think he is a viable starter. He simply sucks. You cannot count on him to play the season. And then you are stuck with 2 years on a horrible contract. He is not worth taking on. He is a pure dump for Portland because he will not be in their rotation next season with or without JB. Grant would be a good piece in addition to JB not in place of him.

If he were a bench piece that could come in and get you what you need, great...but if you are counting on him to provide scoring, defense, rebounding, efficient shooting as a starter...Grant just is not it.

Sharpe is lazy and inconsistent. Plays no defense and probably would be a bench piece behind Sam and Baylor.

So if this deal is for Grant, Sharpe and picks...this is a full on rebuild. Those 2 bums make you worse without JB.  Move White while you are at it. Reset everything for next season.

As for the picks...those picks are going to be Portland's picks and a return on the Celtics 2029 pick. You are not getting the Bucks picks out of this.

Just seems like a pointless deal. Keep Brown. Add in FA...look to trade Hauser or White.  Just accept Brown is your guy for the next three seasons and move on.
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Good. No Grant in Boston.

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« Reply #202 on: Today at 05:40:30 PM »

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APHoops: Jaylen Brown's market has been described as "tepid" with teams around the league not valuing Brown highly due to his contract and impending 2-year max contract extension, per @JakeLFischer.

I think this true above.

Here is another update from a few hours ago before the Morant trade

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Sam Amick on Jaylen Brown: "This one is, if I had to handicap it, it just feels like somebody has got to put enough on the table to get this thing done, but Boston is asking for the sun and the moon.

I keep looking at Portland and because people keep bringing Portland up when I talk to them, they wanted to go big on Giannis Antetokounmpo and that did not work. Even without a commitment, they were willing to try to do a Giannis trade. And when you see that kind of boldness, then you kind of go, all right, if they, it is a little bit like Tim Connelly, if you missed on the one guy, you are going to swing for the next guy."

The tweet then went on to talk about POR. It was the "asking for the sun and the moon" part that I felt was noteworthy.

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APHoops: Jaylen Brown's market has been described as "tepid" with teams around the league not valuing Brown highly due to his contract and impending 2-year max contract extension, per @JakeLFischer.

I think this true above.

Here is another update from a few hours ago before the Morant trade

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Sam Amick on Jaylen Brown: "This one is, if I had to handicap it, it just feels like somebody has got to put enough on the table to get this thing done, but Boston is asking for the sun and the moon.

I keep looking at Portland and because people keep bringing Portland up when I talk to them, they wanted to go big on Giannis Antetokounmpo and that did not work. Even without a commitment, they were willing to try to do a Giannis trade. And when you see that kind of boldness, then you kind of go, all right, if they, it is a little bit like Tim Connelly, if you missed on the one guy, you are going to swing for the next guy."

The tweet then went on to talk about POR. It was the "asking for the sun and the moon" part that I felt was noteworthy.

Either Brad is ok with JB returning so he is asking for a boatload that he knows he won't get or the market for Brown is next to none.

I think it is a bit of both. I expect JB is back.

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« Reply #204 on: Today at 05:46:15 PM »

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Boston just want to get rid of Brown contract. No way I pay him 70 million 3 seasons from now. They know if they don?t trade him now, teams will never will. It?s all about money right now
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Grant starting over Sam is not saying much because Sam was terrible as a starter. But this just shows how bad this roster will be if you make this move. Literally a play in team.

As for Grant...I absolutely hate the guy. He has not played more than 60 games in a season since 2020. He got hurt at the end of the season again last year when he felt a pop in his calf. Was a non factor in the playoffs. He has been a non factor in the playoffs his entire career.

You simply can't count on him to replace any portion of JB's scoring. It is a mistake to think he is a viable starter. He simply sucks. You cannot count on him to play the season. And then you are stuck with 2 years on a horrible contract. He is not worth taking on. He is a pure dump for Portland because he will not be in their rotation next season with or without JB. Grant would be a good piece in addition to JB not in place of him.

If he were a bench piece that could come in and get you what you need, great...but if you are counting on him to provide scoring, defense, rebounding, efficient shooting as a starter...Grant just is not it.

Sharpe is lazy and inconsistent. Plays no defense and probably would be a bench piece behind Sam and Baylor.

So if this deal is for Grant, Sharpe and picks...this is a full on rebuild. Those 2 bums make you worse without JB.  Move White while you are at it. Reset everything for next season.

As for the picks...those picks are going to be Portland's picks and a return on the Celtics 2029 pick. You are not getting the Bucks picks out of this.

Just seems like a pointless deal. Keep Brown. Add in FA...look to trade Hauser or White.  Just accept Brown is your guy for the next three seasons and move on.

Now how in the world would you know that?  And why in the world would Brad take this deal that doesn?t offer great talent and offers picks probably in the 20s?  Not even worth discussing.

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Grant starting over Sam is not saying much because Sam was terrible as a starter. But this just shows how bad this roster will be if you make this move. Literally a play in team.

As for Grant...I absolutely hate the guy. He has not played more than 60 games in a season since 2020. He got hurt at the end of the season again last year when he felt a pop in his calf. Was a non factor in the playoffs. He has been a non factor in the playoffs his entire career.

You simply can't count on him to replace any portion of JB's scoring. It is a mistake to think he is a viable starter. He simply sucks. You cannot count on him to play the season. And then you are stuck with 2 years on a horrible contract. He is not worth taking on. He is a pure dump for Portland because he will not be in their rotation next season with or without JB. Grant would be a good piece in addition to JB not in place of him.

If he were a bench piece that could come in and get you what you need, great...but if you are counting on him to provide scoring, defense, rebounding, efficient shooting as a starter...Grant just is not it.

Sharpe is lazy and inconsistent. Plays no defense and probably would be a bench piece behind Sam and Baylor.

So if this deal is for Grant, Sharpe and picks...this is a full on rebuild. Those 2 bums make you worse without JB.  Move White while you are at it. Reset everything for next season.

As for the picks...those picks are going to be Portland's picks and a return on the Celtics 2029 pick. You are not getting the Bucks picks out of this.

Just seems like a pointless deal. Keep Brown. Add in FA...look to trade Hauser or White.  Just accept Brown is your guy for the next three seasons and move on.

Now how in the world would you know that?  And why in the world would Brad take this deal that doesn?t offer great talent and offers picks probably in the 20s?  Not even worth discussing.

Most of the picks that were discussed were Portland's own or Boston's from 2029. Doesn't matter now because it seems that deal is dead.

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Boston just want to get rid of Brown contract. No way I pay him 70 million 3 seasons from now. They know if they don?t trade him now, teams will never will. It?s all about money right now

At this point taking a big risk on Zion Williamson even seems enticing.
What a disaster. I'd hoped this season as a playground for Brown would at least secure a good market.
Will Jaylen even report if a trade won't happen or is he completely done with the Celtics?