Proposed Jaylen Brown Trade Ideas

[Celtics2021]

Brown, Tatum & White will all be on the roster next season. Now if one ask be traded be a different story

What if MIL calls and offer Giannis for Brown?

Higher ceiling, much lower floor.  It depends a bit if it?s an extend-and-trade deal with Giannis.  No extension, no way.  He is way too fickle at this point.

[Vermont Green]

Brown, Tatum & White will all be on the roster next season. Now if one ask be traded be a different story

What if MIL calls and offer Giannis for Brown?

Higher ceiling, much lower floor.  It depends a bit if it's an extend-and-trade deal with Giannis.  No extension, no way.  He is way too fickle at this point.

Agree, I don't think MIL would even bother to ask if Giannis was not on board with BOS and willing to extend.  I was just offering a scenario to consider where Brown could be traded, even if he does not ask to be traded.

[Birdman]

Miami & Houston is my guess on getting Giannis

But would Houston morgue their future for a 32 year old Giannis who gets hurt a lot recently, Durant who 37 & Van Fleet coming off an Achilles tear?

Miami would have Bam, Giannis & Powell but who else?

Milwaukee can be sitting very pretty if they do the right deal

[Phantom255x]

Miami & Houston is my guess on getting Giannis

But would Houston morgue their future for a 32 year old Giannis who gets hurt a lot recently, Durant who 37 & Van Fleet coming off an Achilles tear?

Miami would have Bam, Giannis & Powell but who else?

Milwaukee can be sitting very pretty if they do the right deal

My prediction is Giannis ends up in Cleveland or Miami.

Maybe I'm a sucker for it but I do monitor the betting sites a bit and it seems Miami is favored to get Giannis, while the 2nd best odds is him staying, and Miami's numbers have continued to stay steady/increase.

Miami will offer Herro, Ware, Jacquez, and picks. CLE could offer Mobley + a role player + picks. The C's could trump them with offering Jaylen but I prefer they not and I don't think CBS will ultimately either.

My guess, he goes Miami. If not Miami, probably Cleveland, although it depends if Lebron decides to go to CLE which could change that course a bit.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I wouldn't do this trade, but it's interesting.

There are some reports going around today that the Clippers pick may be available.

If they offered #5 and Garland (plus a contract) for Brown, would you do it?

[slamtheking]

I wouldn't do this trade, but it's interesting.

There are some reports going around today that the Clippers pick may be available.

If they offered #5 and Garland (plus a contract) for Brown, would you do it?

good lord no.   BPA at #5 projects to be a guard which isn't their top priority.  Garland's value seems to be dropping as well -- doesn't seem to be a guy that helps with winning. 

[jambr380]

I wouldn't do this trade, but it's interesting.

There are some reports going around today that the Clippers pick may be available.

If they offered #5 and Garland (plus a contract) for Brown, would you do it?

good lord no.   BPA at #5 projects to be a guard which isn't their top priority.  Garland's value seems to be dropping as well -- doesn't seem to be a guy that helps with winning.

Yeah, the only way this even works at all is if the Celtics can make a trade using #27 to move into the top 4 and take either Boozer or Wilson. Not supporting this idea at all, but it falls into the same level of trade some people were talking about with Markkanen and #2 (or Ace)

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I wouldn't do this trade, but it's interesting.

There are some reports going around today that the Clippers pick may be available.

If they offered #5 and Garland (plus a contract) for Brown, would you do it?

good lord no.   BPA at #5 projects to be a guard which isn't their top priority.  Garland's value seems to be dropping as well -- doesn't seem to be a guy that helps with winning.

Yeah, the only way this even works at all is if the Celtics can make a trade using #27 to move into the top 4 and take either Boozer or Wilson. Not supporting this idea at all, but it falls into the same level of trade some people were talking about with Markkanen and #2 (or Ace)

Or the other idea I was toying with is to then trade the 5th for the Kings 7th pick and a player. They are supposedly enamored with Acuff.

(I love exploring trades with dumb franchises)

It gets way complicated, but is there even a feasible way where they could land both Garland and Sabonis, plus the 7th for Hauser, Brown, and some smaller contracts? Sabonis' contract right now is almost negative value given his injuries and the size of the contract.

If not Sabonis, could they get Murray and the 7th pick for the 5th pick?

Just spitballing here. The general framework is interesting, but probably ultimately does not work.

[Moranis]

Garland and 5 is interesting.  Definitely would need to do something else with 5 or maybe that is how you get Giannis.

Clippers - Brown
Celtics - Giannis. Garland
Bucks - Bogdanovic, Hauser, Pritchard, Scheierman, Garza, 5, 27, 2028 BOS 1st

Boston would need depth but a Garland, White, Tatum, Giannis, Vucevic starting 5 is good and you still have Hugo, Walsh, and Queta plus Harper, Williams, Shulga

May not be enough for Milwaukee but by keeping Garland it better allows Acuff or whomever to have free reign on the Bucks. 

I still the Bucks best bet is Atlanta or Portland as a 3rd team, but the Clippers or Bulls is interesting because of the top 5 pick right now. 

[slamtheking]

Garland and 5 is interesting.  Definitely would need to do something else with 5 or maybe that is how you get Giannis.

Clippers - Brown
Celtics - Giannis. Garland
Bucks - Bogdanovic, Hauser, Pritchard, Scheierman, Garza, 5, 27, 2028 BOS 1st

Boston would need depth but a Garland, White, Tatum, Giannis, Vucevic starting 5 is good and you still have Hugo, Walsh, and Queta plus Harper, Williams, Shulga

May not be enough for Milwaukee but by keeping Garland it better allows Acuff or whomever to have free reign on the Bucks. 

I still the Bucks best bet is Atlanta or Portland as a 3rd team, but the Clippers or Bulls is interesting because of the top 5 pick right now.

that's a hideous overpayment.  JB and maybe 27 for Giannis would be fair value in light of Giannis health concerns.  Bucks wouldn't take it but Giannis is not going to garner that much of a haul in the current trading environment. 

no way would I give up the rest of that for Garland.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Garland and 5 is interesting.  Definitely would need to do something else with 5 or maybe that is how you get Giannis.

Clippers - Brown
Celtics - Giannis. Garland
Bucks - Bogdanovic, Hauser, Pritchard, Scheierman, Garza, 5, 27, 2028 BOS 1st

Boston would need depth but a Garland, White, Tatum, Giannis, Vucevic starting 5 is good and you still have Hugo, Walsh, and Queta plus Harper, Williams, Shulga

May not be enough for Milwaukee but by keeping Garland it better allows Acuff or whomever to have free reign on the Bucks. 

I still the Bucks best bet is Atlanta or Portland as a 3rd team, but the Clippers or Bulls is interesting because of the top 5 pick right now.

that's a hideous overpayment.  JB and maybe 27 for Giannis would be fair value in light of Giannis health concerns.  Bucks wouldn't take it but Giannis is not going to garner that much of a haul in the current trading environment. 

no way would I give up the rest of that for Garland.

Yeah I'm feeling like that is too much to give up as well, but that roster is the favorite in the East next year and still has upside with Queta coming into his prime and Hugo developing. Plus, I think Garland's best years are still ahead of him. He's had a disappointing stretch these last couple of years with injuries and an awkward fit with Mitchell, but it wasn't too long ago that he was in the same class as Maxey as a rising star.

I thought I might get Moranis to bite on that one .

[nickagneta]

Okay, so first off....

#JKJB

JUST KEEP JAYLEN BROWN.

Now, that said, I have always thought, if you could get someone better than Jaylen in a trade, balancing age discrepancy, contract difference, other stuff having go out, at the right time, maybe you gotta do it.

Yes, there have been rumors of using a young JB to get players better than him in the past, but that had to be weighed as I mentioned above and the thought process I always had was, Brown was going to turn into a top 10 or higher best player in the league. So was it worth losing an in his prime top 10 guy in the league for years, forthose rumored players, given the package, and I always came to a "no" answering that question.

But today, who would I trade JB for?

Probably only

Wemby, Jokic, Luka, and, yeah, maybe, possibly, hate to say it, but, mmmmm, ugh, okay, yes...and Giannis. But, it depends on what the whole trade is all about. If it's straight up Brown out, Giannis in, and a protected future first and 2 2nds going out, that's as much as I would trade for Giannis. Plus, an extension with Giannis would have to be agreed to as part of it all as well. 

[Who]

Garland and 5 is interesting.  Definitely would need to do something else with 5 or maybe that is how you get Giannis.

Clippers - Brown
Celtics - Giannis. Garland
Bucks - Bogdanovic, Hauser, Pritchard, Scheierman, Garza, 5, 27, 2028 BOS 1st

Partially on topic and partially off-topic

How much better is Garland than Pritchard?

Darius Garland has fallen down in my esteem over the last couple of seasons. There was a time a few years ago where I wondered about trading Jaylen Brown for D Garland in order to get a PG to help give the offense some direction.

However, since then, the league has gotten harsher and harsher on small guards defensively. Garland has become more and more of a defensive liability as this has happened. Furthermore, Garland has produced impressive regular season numbers but struggled to reproduce that same quality in the playoffs. Garland struggles to finish in the paint if anyone is around and he does not get to the FT line so he is highly reliant on his outside shot for his overall scoring efficiency. Much like Pritchard is. And while Garland is a very good shooter, he is not a great shooter. So this meant Garland has fallen in my estimation both offensively and defensively over the last few years.

I now have Garland ranked around middle of the pack among starting PGs (16th with Kyrie and Haliburton to come back and push Garland down 2 more spots). I have Pritchard around 20th / early 20s among starting PGs. So they are not far apart in my PG rankings.

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A different look at Garland and Pritchard.

Over the last 3 years, Garland has averaged 19.3ppg and 6.7apg with 2.8 turnovers and on a 58.3% TS. Pritchard has only been a starter this past season. Over the last 3 years, he has averaged 13.6ppg 4.0apg with only 1.0 turnover and on a 60.4% TS. This season Pritchard averaged 17.0ppg 5.2apg with only 1.4 turnovers (half of Garland's) and a 58.4% TS. So slight advantage in scoring in assists with more turnovers and equal scoring efficiency for Pritchard this year for Garland over last 3 years.

However, one of the things that has caused me to adjust how I rate Garland have been his playoff failures. So Garland has made the playoffs 3 times in his career and played 22 games. In the playoffs, Garland's numbers are 17.3ppg and 5.5apg. His FG% has dropped from 46.1% to 42.8%. His 3PT shooting from 39.1% to 34.3%. His TS% from 58.3% to 54.3%. He also averages 2.7 turnovers per game in the playoffs. Those are not good offensive numbers. That is poor efficiency. Garland has not been able to reproduce star (or near star) level regular season production into the playoffs.

Pritchard over the last 3 years has played 37 playoff games. He has played only 24mpg. 9.6ppg 2.5apg on 43.2% FG (similar to Garland), 36.8% 3PT (better than Garland) for an overall TS% of 56.8% (better than Garland). He has averaged 0.8 turnovers.

In terms of advanced stats from B-ref.com. Pritchard leads Garland in BPM and VORP in the playoffs. Pritchard has a 0.2 BPM compared to -1.1 for Garland. And a 0.5 VORP compared to 0.1 for Garland.

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I think Pritchard is a better defender than Garland. Both struggle with their lack of height but Pritchard has far more muscle and fights for position far better than Garland.

As scorers, Garland looks better based on his regular season stats but he has been a massive disappointment in the playoffs. I don't trust him as a scorer in the playoffs. In fact, I trust Pritchard more because he can adapt to a lower usage role and be more efficient whereas Garland thinks he is a star and can't back it up.

As passers / floor generals, they have different styles. Pritchard is a low risk low mistake player. As a result, he takes better care of the ball and shares it well. Garland will do a better job pushing the tempo and creating some easier shots for his teammates. But Garland is not a great playmaker either. Part of the reason they traded for Harden was because Garland wasn't good at creating easy hoops for the bigs. You can also see his assists drop in the playoffs along with his scoring because teams are not afraid of him driving to the basket because they know he cannot not finish in traffic so they do not help off of shooters as much. Plus, Garland takes more risks which results in more turnovers (less possessions for his team).

I like Garland's PG play in the regular season but I have been consistently disappointed with it in the postseason. I do not trust him as a floor general / passer / playmaker any more than I trust Pritchard.

Physically & athletically, Garland has an advantage in speed and being able to beat his man one-on-one but Pritchard has an advantage in muscle which helps him defensively and on the occasional drive. Neither guy can finish in a crowded lane. Pritchard can actually use his muscle to fend off a shot blocker now and then but neither is a good finisher inside.

I don't see the advantage for Garland over Pritchard.

I would rather have Pritchard over Garland.

Which makes me wonder if I should change my PG rankings some more and drop Garland further.

[michigan adam]

Okay, so first off....

#JKJB

JUST KEEP JAYLEN BROWN.

Now, that said, I have always thought, if you could get someone better than Jaylen in a trade, balancing age discrepancy, contract difference, other stuff having go out, at the right time, maybe you gotta do it.

Yes, there have been rumors of using a young JB to get players better than him in the past, but that had to be weighed as I mentioned above and the thought process I always had was, Brown was going to turn into a top 10 or higher best player in the league. So was it worth losing an in his prime top 10 guy in the league for years, forthose rumored players, given the package, and I always came to a "no" answering that question.

But today, who would I trade JB for?

Probably only

Wemby, Jokic, Luka, and, yeah, maybe, possibly, hate to say it, but, mmmmm, ugh, okay, yes...and Giannis. But, it depends on what the whole trade is all about. If it's straight up Brown out, Giannis in, and a protected future first and 2 2nds going out, that's as much as I would trade for Giannis. Plus, an extension with Giannis would have to be agreed to as part of it all as well.

I wouldn't trade jb for luka if you gave the C's 2 frp  in addition. Luka is one of the most over rated players in the game. He is half a player.

[Moranis]

Garland and 5 is interesting.  Definitely would need to do something else with 5 or maybe that is how you get Giannis.

Clippers - Brown
Celtics - Giannis. Garland
Bucks - Bogdanovic, Hauser, Pritchard, Scheierman, Garza, 5, 27, 2028 BOS 1st

Boston would need depth but a Garland, White, Tatum, Giannis, Vucevic starting 5 is good and you still have Hugo, Walsh, and Queta plus Harper, Williams, Shulga

May not be enough for Milwaukee but by keeping Garland it better allows Acuff or whomever to have free reign on the Bucks. 

I still the Bucks best bet is Atlanta or Portland as a 3rd team, but the Clippers or Bulls is interesting because of the top 5 pick right now.

that's a hideous overpayment.  JB and maybe 27 for Giannis would be fair value in light of Giannis health concerns.  Bucks wouldn't take it but Giannis is not going to garner that much of a haul in the current trading environment. 

no way would I give up the rest of that for Garland.

Yeah I'm feeling like that is too much to give up as well, but that roster is the favorite in the East next year and still has upside with Queta coming into his prime and Hugo developing. Plus, I think Garland's best years are still ahead of him. He's had a disappointing stretch these last couple of years with injuries and an awkward fit with Mitchell, but it wasn't too long ago that he was in the same class as Maxey as a rising star.

I thought I might get Moranis to bite on that one .

I wouldn't trade Brown for Garland and 5. I would trade Brown for Giannis.  That would be a potential vehicle to get that trade done as it almost certainly will require a 3rd team. 

Brown and 27 is simply not anywhere close to enough for Giannis.  It would take more.