Proposed Jaylen Brown Trade Ideas

[Goldstar88]

If the Wizards want to actually try a "win-now" move, would you trade Jaylen for #1 in a package? They get Trae Young, AD and Jaylen as a Big-3

0% Chance. The Wizards aren't trading an incoming 19-20 year old #1 pick on a rookie scale deal for a 30 year old on a supermax.

They wouldn't do it for Tatum either, again too old and too uncertain with injury stuff. 

There's too much age gap, too much lost value in giving up rookie contract plus nearly guaranteed second contract that a high draft pick comes with.

Wizards have Trae young who will be 28 this year and AD who recently turned 33, but Tatum and Brown are too old?

[Celtics2021]

If the Wizards want to actually try a "win-now" move, would you trade Jaylen for #1 in a package? They get Trae Young, AD and Jaylen as a Big-3

0% Chance. The Wizards aren't trading an incoming 19-20 year old #1 pick on a rookie scale deal for a 30 year old on a supermax.

They wouldn't do it for Tatum either, again too old and too uncertain with injury stuff. 

There's too much age gap, too much lost value in giving up rookie contract plus nearly guaranteed second contract that a high draft pick comes with.

Wizards have Trae young who will be 28 this year and AD who recently turned 33, but Tatum and Brown are too old?

Indeed.  The Wizards are a team that seems to want to change its timeline to now instead of the future.  And as our disappointing season that made some of us want to kick Jaylen Brown to the curb would arguably have been their best since the 70s, it is not unreasonable to think that waiting patiently would not be for them.

[keevsnick]

If the Wizards want to actually try a "win-now" move, would you trade Jaylen for #1 in a package? They get Trae Young, AD and Jaylen as a Big-3

0% Chance. The Wizards aren't trading an incoming 19-20 year old #1 pick on a rookie scale deal for a 30 year old on a supermax.

They wouldn't do it for Tatum either, again too old and too uncertain with injury stuff. 

There's too much age gap, too much lost value in giving up rookie contract plus nearly guaranteed second contract that a high draft pick comes with.

Wizards have Trae young who will be 28 this year and AD who recently turned 33, but Tatum and Brown are too old?

Indeed.  The Wizards are a team that seems to want to change its timeline to now instead of the future.  And as our disappointing season that made some of us want to kick Jaylen Brown to the curb would arguably have been their best since the 70s, it is not unreasonable to think that waiting patiently would not be for them.

I will reiterate: 0% chance. Yes, they have AD and Tre. They gave up pretty much nothing for those guys. They didn't tank all year so they could build round AD and Tre, thoe guys were brought in to give them  floor next year that's all

[Vermont Green]

If the Wizards want to actually try a "win-now" move, would you trade Jaylen for #1 in a package? They get Trae Young, AD and Jaylen as a Big-3

0% Chance. The Wizards aren't trading an incoming 19-20 year old #1 pick on a rookie scale deal for a 30 year old on a supermax.

They wouldn't do it for Tatum either, again too old and too uncertain with injury stuff. 

There's too much age gap, too much lost value in giving up rookie contract plus nearly guaranteed second contract that a high draft pick comes with.

Wizards have Trae young who will be 28 this year and AD who recently turned 33, but Tatum and Brown are too old?

Indeed.  The Wizards are a team that seems to want to change its timeline to now instead of the future.  And as our disappointing season that made some of us want to kick Jaylen Brown to the curb would arguably have been their best since the 70s, it is not unreasonable to think that waiting patiently would not be for them.

I will reiterate: 0% chance. Yes, they have AD and Tre. They gave up pretty much nothing for those guys. They didn't tank all year so they could build round AD and Tre, thoe guys were brought in to give them  floor next year that's all

Maybe for Giannis.  It makes sense for MIL more so than BOS. Even a top rookie takes a few years. Why would BOS trade Brown for a rookie who might never be good and even if he is, it is in 3 years?  Does not seem to align with the window for Tatum. 

[Who]

WAS would be insane to trade AJ Dybantsa.

They have a nice mix in their roster of young talent to develop (Dybantsa, A Sarr, Kyshawn George, Coulibaly) and win-now veterans (A Davis, Trae Young). Great chance to get those young guys experience in playoff intensity environments.

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I would 100% trade Jaylen for Dybantsa if they were willing to do it. I am not sure how WAS could match the contracts though. They have no filler salaries. And with AD and Trae on the books, they won't have much cap space. It will be hard for them to find a way to trade for another $50mil guy.

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Maybe for Giannis.  It makes sense for MIL more so than BOS. Even a top rookie takes a few years. Why would BOS trade Brown for a rookie who might never be good and even if he is, it is in 3 years?  Does not seem to align with the window for Tatum.

At Dybantsa's talent level it is worth it. Even with the windows not aligning. He gives them someone with All-Star talent and franchise player potential.

15 years of Dybantsa vs 6-8 years of Jaylen.

[boscel33]

I saw one from SI over the weekend that was intriguing:

BOS:  Jamal Murray and Cam Johnson
DEN:  JB and Hauser

[Vermont Green]

WAS would be insane to trade AJ Dybantsa.

They have a nice mix in their roster of young talent to develop (Dybantsa, A Sarr, Kyshawn George, Coulibaly) and win-now veterans (A Davis, Trae Young). Great chance to get those young guys experience in playoff intensity environments.

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I would 100% trade Jaylen for Dybantsa if they were willing to do it. I am not sure how WAS could match the contracts though. They have no filler salaries. And with AD and Trae on the books, they won't have much cap space. It will be hard for them to find a way to trade for another $50mil guy.

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Maybe for Giannis.  It makes sense for MIL more so than BOS. Even a top rookie takes a few years. Why would BOS trade Brown for a rookie who might never be good and even if he is, it is in 3 years?  Does not seem to align with the window for Tatum.

At Dybantsa's talent level it is worth it. Even with the windows not aligning. He gives them someone with All-Star talent and franchise player potential.

15 years of Dybantsa vs 6-8 years of Jaylen.

Dybantsa seems like a blue chip prospect, but so didn't Greg Oden and Markelle Fultz and (you could go on and on).  And even a top rookie takes a few years at best.  How many years was it before SGA was that good?  So that is, what, 3 years of Tatum's window where you are waiting for a rookie to maybe get good?  It is a big risk.  Makes sense for MIL to trade Giannis for that type of prospect, but I don't see it for BOS.  And if I was WAS, I would hold on to him for sure, given their situation.

[Celtics2021]

If the Wizards want to actually try a "win-now" move, would you trade Jaylen for #1 in a package? They get Trae Young, AD and Jaylen as a Big-3

0% Chance. The Wizards aren't trading an incoming 19-20 year old #1 pick on a rookie scale deal for a 30 year old on a supermax.

They wouldn't do it for Tatum either, again too old and too uncertain with injury stuff. 

There's too much age gap, too much lost value in giving up rookie contract plus nearly guaranteed second contract that a high draft pick comes with.

Wizards have Trae young who will be 28 this year and AD who recently turned 33, but Tatum and Brown are too old?

Indeed.  The Wizards are a team that seems to want to change its timeline to now instead of the future.  And as our disappointing season that made some of us want to kick Jaylen Brown to the curb would arguably have been their best since the 70s, it is not unreasonable to think that waiting patiently would not be for them.

I will reiterate: 0% chance. Yes, they have AD and Tre. They gave up pretty much nothing for those guys. They didn't tank all year so they could build round AD and Tre, thoe guys were brought in to give them  floor next year that's all

The Wizards are one of those franchises, along with Sacramento and arguably New Orleans, where you just do not know what they will do.  They change direction every few years, and most of the major decisions come from the ownership group.  It is a very low chance, yes, but it is above 0%.  I expect, for example, that AD?s team is going to tell the Wizards to trade that pick for an All-NBA player if they want him to sign an extension this summer.  The big problem, as I noted earlier in the thread, is that they would need to trade their 3rd-8th salaried players to make the salaries work, and that is probably too much to acquire Brown or Giannis, although most of those players have not proven to be very useful NBA players to date.

[Moranis]

WAS would be insane to trade AJ Dybantsa.

They have a nice mix in their roster of young talent to develop (Dybantsa, A Sarr, Kyshawn George, Coulibaly) and win-now veterans (A Davis, Trae Young). Great chance to get those young guys experience in playoff intensity environments.

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I would 100% trade Jaylen for Dybantsa if they were willing to do it. I am not sure how WAS could match the contracts though. They have no filler salaries. And with AD and Trae on the books, they won't have much cap space. It will be hard for them to find a way to trade for another $50mil guy.

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Maybe for Giannis.  It makes sense for MIL more so than BOS. Even a top rookie takes a few years. Why would BOS trade Brown for a rookie who might never be good and even if he is, it is in 3 years?  Does not seem to align with the window for Tatum.

At Dybantsa's talent level it is worth it. Even with the windows not aligning. He gives them someone with All-Star talent and franchise player potential.

15 years of Dybantsa vs 6-8 years of Jaylen.

Dybantsa seems like a blue chip prospect, but so didn't Greg Oden and Markelle Fultz and (you could go on and on).  And even a top rookie takes a few years at best.  How many years was it before SGA was that good?  So that is, what, 3 years of Tatum's window where you are waiting for a rookie to maybe get good?  It is a big risk.  Makes sense for MIL to trade Giannis for that type of prospect, but I don't see it for BOS.  And if I was WAS, I would hold on to him for sure, given their situation.

SGA was the 11th pick. Typically with top 3 picks you know almost immediately if they are going to be good or bust out.  Juat how good a little less known (Sarr is a good example of this), but there are very few guys that go top 3 that start off really poorly and then hit (even Brown by year 2 it was obvious he had real talent) or start off really well and then don't get better (Ben Simmons says hi).  It does happen, but it is rare.  For the most part almost immediately you have a real idea on if the guy has it or not when they are top 3 picks. 

[Moranis]

If the Wizards want to actually try a "win-now" move, would you trade Jaylen for #1 in a package? They get Trae Young, AD and Jaylen as a Big-3

0% Chance. The Wizards aren't trading an incoming 19-20 year old #1 pick on a rookie scale deal for a 30 year old on a supermax.

They wouldn't do it for Tatum either, again too old and too uncertain with injury stuff. 

There's too much age gap, too much lost value in giving up rookie contract plus nearly guaranteed second contract that a high draft pick comes with.

Wizards have Trae young who will be 28 this year and AD who recently turned 33, but Tatum and Brown are too old?

Indeed.  The Wizards are a team that seems to want to change its timeline to now instead of the future.  And as our disappointing season that made some of us want to kick Jaylen Brown to the curb would arguably have been their best since the 70s, it is not unreasonable to think that waiting patiently would not be for them.

I will reiterate: 0% chance. Yes, they have AD and Tre. They gave up pretty much nothing for those guys. They didn't tank all year so they could build round AD and Tre, thoe guys were brought in to give them  floor next year that's all

The Wizards are one of those franchises, along with Sacramento and arguably New Orleans, where you just do not know what they will do.  They change direction every few years, and most of the major decisions come from the ownership group.  It is a very low chance, yes, but it is above 0%.  I expect, for example, that AD?s team is going to tell the Wizards to trade that pick for an All-NBA player if they want him to sign an extension this summer.  The big problem, as I noted earlier in the thread, is that they would need to trade their 3rd-8th salaried players to make the salaries work, and that is probably too much to acquire Brown or Giannis, although most of those players have not proven to be very useful NBA players to date.

I'd do Brown and 27 for Young and 1. 

[Vermont Green]

SGA was the 11th pick. Typically with top 3 picks you know almost immediately if they are going to be good or bust out.  Just how good a little less known (Sarr is a good example of this), but there are very few guys that go top 3 that start off really poorly and then hit (even Brown by year 2 it was obvious he had real talent) or start off really well and then don't get better (Ben Simmons says hi).  It does happen, but it is rare.  For the most part almost immediately you have a real idea on if the guy has it or not when they are top 3 picks.

Being able to determine if a prospect is going to be good and having that prospect actually be good are two different things.  I don't disagree that in many cases, you can see right away if a player has NBA stuff or not, but not always.  But even SGA, teams saw that he was going to be good but it still took several seasons before he was actually that good.  It was 5 seasons with SGA on the team before OKC had a winning season.

It makes no sense to me to trade a bonafide All-NBA level player in his prime for a 19 year old rookie unless you are in full re-build mode.  At best, it will be 3 years, and maybe never, before Dybantsa is better than Brown.  How does that help BOS win a title during Tatum's window?

[keevsnick]

If the Wizards want to actually try a "win-now" move, would you trade Jaylen for #1 in a package? They get Trae Young, AD and Jaylen as a Big-3

0% Chance. The Wizards aren't trading an incoming 19-20 year old #1 pick on a rookie scale deal for a 30 year old on a supermax.

They wouldn't do it for Tatum either, again too old and too uncertain with injury stuff. 

There's too much age gap, too much lost value in giving up rookie contract plus nearly guaranteed second contract that a high draft pick comes with.

Wizards have Trae young who will be 28 this year and AD who recently turned 33, but Tatum and Brown are too old?

Indeed.  The Wizards are a team that seems to want to change its timeline to now instead of the future.  And as our disappointing season that made some of us want to kick Jaylen Brown to the curb would arguably have been their best since the 70s, it is not unreasonable to think that waiting patiently would not be for them.

I will reiterate: 0% chance. Yes, they have AD and Tre. They gave up pretty much nothing for those guys. They didn't tank all year so they could build round AD and Tre, thoe guys were brought in to give them  floor next year that's all

The Wizards are one of those franchises, along with Sacramento and arguably New Orleans, where you just do not know what they will do.  They change direction every few years, and most of the major decisions come from the ownership group.  It is a very low chance, yes, but it is above 0%.  I expect, for example, that AD?s team is going to tell the Wizards to trade that pick for an All-NBA player if they want him to sign an extension this summer.  The big problem, as I noted earlier in the thread, is that they would need to trade their 3rd-8th salaried players to make the salaries work, and that is probably too much to acquire Brown or Giannis, although most of those players have not proven to be very useful NBA players to date.

No, it is not. Look man I love Jaylen but a team is not trading their first #1 pick in franchise history and a shot at 10+ years of runway with a legit tier 1A prospect for 30 year old Jaylen Brown.

In the last 30+ years the #1 pick has been traded for a player exactly 1 time, and that was to get Kevin Love as part of Lebron James returning to Clevland AND love was at least 26 at the time, not about to be 30.

I don't care how bad of a franchise Washington is (and actually they have been better lately), they didn't endure a 17 win season to trade for Jaylen Brown.

[Goldstar88]

If the Wizards want to actually try a "win-now" move, would you trade Jaylen for #1 in a package? They get Trae Young, AD and Jaylen as a Big-3

0% Chance. The Wizards aren't trading an incoming 19-20 year old #1 pick on a rookie scale deal for a 30 year old on a supermax.

They wouldn't do it for Tatum either, again too old and too uncertain with injury stuff. 

There's too much age gap, too much lost value in giving up rookie contract plus nearly guaranteed second contract that a high draft pick comes with.

Wizards have Trae young who will be 28 this year and AD who recently turned 33, but Tatum and Brown are too old?

Indeed.  The Wizards are a team that seems to want to change its timeline to now instead of the future.  And as our disappointing season that made some of us want to kick Jaylen Brown to the curb would arguably have been their best since the 70s, it is not unreasonable to think that waiting patiently would not be for them.

I will reiterate: 0% chance. Yes, they have AD and Tre. They gave up pretty much nothing for those guys. They didn't tank all year so they could build round AD and Tre, thoe guys were brought in to give them  floor next year that's all

The Wizards are one of those franchises, along with Sacramento and arguably New Orleans, where you just do not know what they will do.  They change direction every few years, and most of the major decisions come from the ownership group.  It is a very low chance, yes, but it is above 0%.  I expect, for example, that AD?s team is going to tell the Wizards to trade that pick for an All-NBA player if they want him to sign an extension this summer.  The big problem, as I noted earlier in the thread, is that they would need to trade their 3rd-8th salaried players to make the salaries work, and that is probably too much to acquire Brown or Giannis, although most of those players have not proven to be very useful NBA players to date.

No, it is not. Look man I love Jaylen but a team is not trading their first #1 pick in franchise history and a shot at 10+ years of runway with a legit tier 1A prospect for 30 year old Jaylen Brown.

In the last 30+ years the #1 pick has been traded for a player exactly 1 time, and that was to get Kevin Love as part of Lebron James returning to Clevland AND love was at least 26 at the time, not about to be 30.

I don't care how bad of a franchise Washington is (and actually they have been better lately), they didn't endure a 17 win season to trade for Jaylen Brown.

Anything can happen. None of us know. Just ask Mark Cuban and Mavs fans. 

[Who]

Chris Mannix + Evan Turner both agree that they would not trade Jaylen Brown for Giannis.

They talk about Jaylen & Giannis 9min into the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkNH1b7eS3c

Mannix calls it "insanity". Jaylen Brown coming off his best season. The Celtics had a disappointing end but are a very good team. Giannis on the other hand has had lots of soft tissue injuries that have ended his season for the last few years.

Mannix believes BOS has the best chance of winning in the Finals over the next few years if they keep Tatum & Jaylen together. Their other problems are fixable.

They talk Celtics from 9min to end of video (17min).

[Neurotic Guy]

Chris Mannix + Evan Turner both agree that they would not trade Jaylen Brown for Giannis.

They talk about Jaylen & Giannis 9min into the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkNH1b7eS3c

Mannix calls it "insanity". Jaylen Brown coming off his best season. The Celtics had a disappointing end but are a very good team. Giannis on the other hand has had lots of soft tissue injuries that have ended his season for the last few years.

Mannix believes BOS has the best chance of winning in the Finals over the next few years if they keep Tatum & Jaylen together. Their other problems are fixable.

They talk Celtics from 9min to end of video (17min).

Thanks for this.  Yeah - it's a pretty important consideration that the Jays together give the C's their best chance moving forward.  It makes sense - JT when 100% is definitely top 10; and JB over the last 6 months was top 10 (though he probably settles in between 15 and 20).  Still - two major stars in their prime in the starting lineup.  Not likely to do better than that with a trade.

It's also clear that the C's need something significant to get to Eastern Conference favorite and be able to compete with OKC and SA.
One improvement will be JT at 100%. Another could be Queta continuing his ascension to solid (good) starter at the 5.  And another could be improvement in any one of Hugo, Walsh or Baylor.  I'm reluctant to include Garza in that it seems to me that he is what he is (imo a playable third string center with some skills and value).

And then there are trade possibilities with DW and Sam as primary bait.