Sengun available in trade(rumor)

[Moranis]

All fair questions. I guess I just don't love the archetype of player Sengun is either. I think for bigs to be his level defensively, they need to be offensive Savants. Sengun would have to make a step or two with his shooting prowess to even come close to having him on the floor in a high stakes series.

Sengun does not make 3s.  That limits his offensive threat.  He can still score, he found a way to average 20 pts this season, but if the picker in the pick and role isn't a threat to make a 3, it allows the defense to play it differently.

I don't disagree that BOS needs to add a reliable big.  Sengun is a solid big.  He is not as good as Brown though, at least I don't see it that way.

HOU needs to win now.  They traded a good young player for Durant.  I offer them White, which probably is not enough but start the discussion there.

Sengun shot nearly 2 3's a game this year making just over 30%.  That isn't good, but he does at least shoot them enough to keep defenses honest. 

[Vermont Green]

All fair questions. I guess I just don't love the archetype of player Sengun is either. I think for bigs to be his level defensively, they need to be offensive Savants. Sengun would have to make a step or two with his shooting prowess to even come close to having him on the floor in a high stakes series.

Sengun does not make 3s.  That limits his offensive threat.  He can still score, he found a way to average 20 pts this season, but if the picker in the pick and role isn't a threat to make a 3, it allows the defense to play it differently.

I don't disagree that BOS needs to add a reliable big.  Sengun is a solid big.  He is not as good as Brown though, at least I don't see it that way.

HOU needs to win now.  They traded a good young player for Durant.  I offer them White, which probably is not enough but start the discussion there.

Sengun shot nearly 2 3's a game this year making just over 30%.  That isn't good, but he does at least shoot them enough to keep defenses honest.

Those 2 3PA per game he took were probably wide open looks.  The other team just daring him to shoot.  If he is only 30% on those shots, he is not keeping anyone honest.  That does not make him a bad player.  He is good.  And not every player needs to hit 3s.  It just is what it is.

[Moranis]

All fair questions. I guess I just don't love the archetype of player Sengun is either. I think for bigs to be his level defensively, they need to be offensive Savants. Sengun would have to make a step or two with his shooting prowess to even come close to having him on the floor in a high stakes series.

Sengun does not make 3s.  That limits his offensive threat.  He can still score, he found a way to average 20 pts this season, but if the picker in the pick and role isn't a threat to make a 3, it allows the defense to play it differently.

I don't disagree that BOS needs to add a reliable big.  Sengun is a solid big.  He is not as good as Brown though, at least I don't see it that way.

HOU needs to win now.  They traded a good young player for Durant.  I offer them White, which probably is not enough but start the discussion there.

Sengun shot nearly 2 3's a game this year making just over 30%.  That isn't good, but he does at least shoot them enough to keep defenses honest.

Those 2 3PA per game he took were probably wide open looks.  The other team just daring him to shoot.  If he is only 30% on those shots, he is not keeping anyone honest.  That does not make him a bad player.  He is good.  And not every player needs to hit 3s.  It just is what it is.

you were talking about him being a picker and not shooting so teams defend differently.  I think a pick and pop type 3 is the exact kind of wide open 3 he'd take.  At least enough of a time to keep the opposing team honest.  He won't be standing i. The corner for a kick out. That isnt his strength, but I do think a pick and roll or pop, he shoots enough to not be a detriment.

[jambr380]

I love Jaylen Brown, and I don't think we should trade him unless it increases the talent level of our team.

Sengun would be a step down in talent.

I recognize the problem with viewing this like that is that there aren't any players better than Brown that are available.

I think the questions are

1. How much of a step down?
2. How much longer will brown be better?   
3. Would Boston be better with a massive upgrade down low as opposed to the better player at the wing?
4. Do the extra player or two Hosuton has to send make up the current talent difference between Brown and Sengun?

Not Dorian Finney Smith and Reed Sheppard. Jabari Smith Jr or Tari Eason make it a lot more appealing

Sheppard has by far the most value and upside of those 4 players.  I don't think it is particularly close either.

Feel free to make the argument that Reed Sheppard is a better player and better fit than Jabari Smith Jr or Eason. It's at least a discussion that can be had, even though I absolutely hate the fit with Pritchard.

But I have zero desire to pay DFS $40M over the next 3 years. That's just wasted cap space. I don't think we can count on the Nets bailing us out again on an overpaid 3 year contract for just a late 1st.

[Moranis]

I love Jaylen Brown, and I don't think we should trade him unless it increases the talent level of our team.

Sengun would be a step down in talent.

I recognize the problem with viewing this like that is that there aren't any players better than Brown that are available.

I think the questions are

1. How much of a step down?
2. How much longer will brown be better?   
3. Would Boston be better with a massive upgrade down low as opposed to the better player at the wing?
4. Do the extra player or two Hosuton has to send make up the current talent difference between Brown and Sengun?

Not Dorian Finney Smith and Reed Sheppard. Jabari Smith Jr or Tari Eason make it a lot more appealing

Sheppard has by far the most value and upside of those 4 players.  I don't think it is particularly close either.

Feel free to make the argument that Reed Sheppard is a better player and better fit than Jabari Smith Jr or Eason. It's at least a discussion that can be had, even though I absolutely hate the fit with Pritchard.

But I have zero desire to pay DFS $40M over the next 3 years. That's just wasted cap space. I don't think we can count on the Nets bailing us out again on an overpaid 3 year contract for just a late 1st.

That's is fair, I'd certainly start with Sheppard and Snith, I would ultimately take DFS if I had to if it meant Sheppard.  I really like Sheppard.  I think he'd be the long term starting PG for the team.   I think PP is best suited off the bench, so Im not overly worried about the 2 of them (PP is also a lot older than Reed). If Boston could land Sengun and Sheppard for Brown, I'd be good with that.  2 long term starters that I think would pair well with Tatum.   If we could get Smith along with Sheppard and Sengun that would be 3 starters and would really shore up the bench.  That would be more optimal.  I'd even add Hauser and take back DFS in that scenario. 

[Who]

All fair questions. I guess I just don't love the archetype of player Sengun is either. I think for bigs to be his level defensively, they need to be offensive Savants. Sengun would have to make a step or two with his shooting prowess to even come close to having him on the floor in a high stakes series.

Sengun does not make 3s.  That limits his offensive threat.  He can still score, he found a way to average 20 pts this season, but if the picker in the pick and role isn't a threat to make a 3, it allows the defense to play it differently.

I don't disagree that BOS needs to add a reliable big.  Sengun is a solid big.  He is not as good as Brown though, at least I don't see it that way.

HOU needs to win now.  They traded a good young player for Durant.  I offer them White, which probably is not enough but start the discussion there.

It is not just that Sengun can't shoot 3s, it is that he can't shoot outside of 15 feet.

His range extends to the FT line.

[Who]

Feel free to make the argument that Reed Sheppard is a better player and better fit than Jabari Smith Jr or Eason. It's at least a discussion that can be had, even though I absolutely hate the fit with Pritchard.

Pritchard looks a good comp for what we hope Reed Sheppard can one day develop into.

Reed with similar early career problems as Pritchard. Small guard getting beaten up by bigger stronger players on switches. Struggling on defense. Pritchard continued to beef up and become good at defending bigger players. That is what Reed has to do to fix his defense. On offense, Reed struggling to get separation to get his shot off. Same with Pritchard. Pritchard with time learned how to pick and choose his spots and became one of the best outside shooters in the NBA. Reed has similar potential.

Agree with Pritchard & Reed being a bad fit together. Both need to be paired with bigger guards. Reed was very disappointing in the playoffs. He feels another few years away from being ready. Like Pritchard. It wasn't until year 4 that Pritchard started helping us. I wouldn't be surprised if it is the same for Reed and that is if he succeeds in developing his game as well as Pritchard did.

For me, Pritchard is the best comparison for Reed in the NBA. The best "I hope he follows this guy's example and becomes as good as him one day" match.

[Who]

I have loved DFS throughout his career. He would be the ideal SF/PF backup behind JT and JB. A Posey-esque player.

I have no idea what happened to DFS this season. Some injuries. His shot went in the tank. HOU got nothing out of him. DFS has been one of the top 3+D role players in the league for years. It was shocking how little he contributed. I don't know if that is an aberration or if there is some long term issue there we should be worried about and stay away from him.

Does anyone know more about DFS struggled so much this year? Is it a long term issue?

[jpotter33]

Combining rumors

Bos sends JB
Bos gets giannis

Mil sends : Giannis
Mil gets. : Sengun

Houston sends :Sengun
Houston gets : Brown

I would be happy with either sengun or Giannis.  Although Sengun in much younger,  so you might want to aim for him more out of the deal...

This is an interesting proposal that makes some sense for all sides. I think both Houston and Boston have to throw a little something else in there for Milwaukee to make it work. Just depends on what Milwaukee?s view of Sengun is.

It's interesting, but wouldn't Houston just rather have Giannis than Jaylen? They already have an aging KD, I'd imagine they'd be going all in on the next couple of years with a Sengun trade and Giannis gives them a better opportunity than Jaylen.

Sure, offer Jaylen for Giannis - I'd rather have Giannis, too - but if it's a no, then call HOU and leave MIL out of it. They likely would just shut us out of discussions and make their own deal without us.

I think JB fits both their timeline and needs better with his shooting - as having both Amen and Giannis out there at the same time might not be feasible, let alone their center. He'd also cost them a bit less and is a safer bet from an injury standpoint. Plus you have the Ime connection.

[Phantom255x]

I would consider it but I need another piece back from Houston. Not just a Jaylen for Sengun 1-1 swap, need another role player back.

[Who]

Fun to imagine the Rockets with Jaylen or Giannis

Houston with Jaylen

I have HOU sending out Tari Eason and Sengun here.

G: VanVleet, R Sheppard
G: Amen
F: Jaylen, Okogie
F: Durant, Jabari Smith Jr
C: S Adams, C Capela

A solid 9 man rotation. Everyone knows their roles.

Houston with Giannis

Say something similar. Sengun and Eason.

G: VanVleet, R Sheppard
G: Amen
F: Durant, Okogie
F: Giannis
F: Jabari Smith Jr, S Adams, C Capela

So it is basically 1 small guard and 4 big forwards. Then S Adams and Capela coming in while one of Amen / Giannis rests. So they will have 2 non-shooters on the floor at all times.

Looks like they would be best off trading Jabari Smith for a perimeter player. Or making the trade bigger and including Jabari in the deal while getting back Myles Turner from MIL. Opportunities for Jabari too limited with both Durant & Giannis on the roster. Two PFs ahead of him. Jabari not skilled enough offensively to play down a position. Not physical enough defensively to play up a position. He truly needs to play at big forward. Best for him if he leaves.

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Personally, I like the idea of keeping Sengun and trading Amen Thompson instead. Sengun, Durant & the new star. Their new big 3. VanVleet, Jabari Smith Jr as key role players. Sheppard, S Adams, Capela, Okogie as bench pieces.

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Jaylen & Durant

Amen would need to make a big leap to turn that Jaylen & Durant team into title contender. Durant and Jaylen do not feel like an ideal pairing. Both too shot-happy. Too individualistic. Do not do enough to help their teammates / make their teammates better on the floor.

They look more like a 2nd round and out team to me. Maybe a 1st round and out given how tough the West is.

Loss of Sengun

The loss of Sengun stands out. How limited their 2 other ageing centers are. Sengun and VanVleet are the 2 guys on the Rockets team who bring other players together and make them play as a team. Take out Sengun and you just have VanVleet.

Durant & Giannis

I like this team better than the Jaylen one. Jabari Smith Jr is a problem for this group but it is a fixable problem with another trade. Either for floor spacing center for Giannis. Or for a shooter on the wing.

It will be tough to play Giannis, Amen and S Adams / C Capela together. Not enough shooting. VanVleet is only an average shooter himself. Durant the only above average (high level) shooter in the lineup. They will need another shooter there.

I put Jabari at center because I reckon Giannis will want to avoid playing there forcing Jabari to do a job that Giannis can do better. Similar to LeBron in Miami when LeBron forced Battier to defend PFs even though Battier was only 215lbs and LeBron was 260lbs and much better equipped to defend those guys. I also put Jabari at center because they will need a shooter rather than the paint dwellers S Adams / Capela.

Houston will have a killer small ball lineup when they switch Giannis to center and Durant at PF. That is the main reason I like this team better than the Jaylen one. Amen at SF. 2 shooters in the backcourt.