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Re: Guard Help Wanted
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2026, 04:06:58 PM »

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Keep in mind player polls with vote more for guys they play against.   It is not that scientific.

Dunn 's performance has been all the place his career.  He has defended pretty well as constant.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2991139/kris-dunn

His career averages are 7.9 PPG, 3.9 APG, 3.3 RPG, 1.6 SPG, and 1.5 TO on 44.3 FG % and 33.7 3P %. in 24 mpg per game.  Is this worth $5,684,800  for his salary?

He has been on six teams in ten years and he is 32 years old.  He is not a free agent so you would need to trade for him

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/20210/kris-dunn

We don't have a ready match for his salary and I for one don't think he is worth taking money back on the cap for him.  You could trade one of Baylor or Jordan for him but that is patently absurd, I think and taking an additional 3.204, 323 back for him is wise.  I would not waste a trade exceptional on him either. 

We need to predatory on teams looking to shed cap space.  Sometimes you can get a decent player for a second round pick in these cases.  We can do way better than Kris Dunn.

My mistake. K Dunn was listed as a FA this summer on the list I was looking at. Too bad. He would have been nice.

Re: Guard Help Wanted
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2026, 04:57:52 PM »

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Let's try this again.

MLE Level Targets

* Ayo Dosunmu
* Coby White
* Anfernee Simons
* Colin Sexton
* CJ McCollum (sounds like ATL will pay him)
* Norm Powell (probably earn more)

Cheaper Targets

* Bones Hyland
* Jordan Goodwin
* Gary Payton II
* De'Anthony Melton
* Bruce Brown Jr
* Jose Alvarado (player option)
* D'Angelo Russell (player option)
* Marcus Smart (player option)
* Bradley Beal (player option)
* Kevin Porter Jr (player option)
* Russell Westbrook
* Jordan Clarkson
* Gabe Vincent
* Brandon Williams
* Jevon Carter
* Aaron Holiday

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/available/_/year/2026/position/g

Quentin Grimes is also available. More of a wing than a guard. An interesting alternative.

I'd love to make a strong run at Ayo Dosunmu for the MLE. He would be a nice combo guard. Solid defense. Very good outside shooting. Some ball-handling. Can play PG or SG.

Bones Hyland has been impressive for Minnesota. He has had a slow development in the NBA but it appears he has finally matured. Love the energy he brings his team.

Jordan Goodwin has been great for PHX. Very strong defender with a decent outside shot. He would fit in well here with his D. 

Re: Guard Help Wanted
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2026, 05:54:36 PM »

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I guess I disagree with the premise of this thread.

Obviously I'd always love to add talent, and I've been a fan of a player like Dosunmu for awhile. But our primary offensive creators are our wings - Brown and Tatum. After that, we have two really solid contributors in White and Pritchard at guard.

I think we need a big versatile forward to keep Tatum more at guard, and obviously our big position needs improvement.

Re: Guard Help Wanted
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2026, 09:58:42 AM »

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If what Brad says is true he wants some players who can attack the rim.   Which of these can drive in traffic?

He also mentioned getting more athletic.

Ayo Dosunmu fits both of these pretty well.

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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2026, 10:52:58 AM »

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I guess I disagree with the premise of this thread.

Obviously I'd always love to add talent, and I've been a fan of a player like Dosunmu for awhile. But our primary offensive creators are our wings - Brown and Tatum. After that, we have two really solid contributors in White and Pritchard at guard.

I think we need a big versatile forward to keep Tatum more at guard, and obviously our big position needs improvement.

I would have been with you until I watched Brad?s press conference the other day.  Multiple times he spoke of the need for more shot creation.  While that is what Porzingis was supposed to give us when healthy because he was so much of a mismatch, I do think he is looking more at the guard position.

My big takeaway from reading between the lines is that Hauser is gone.  I don?t think Brad mentioned him once.  So as I have elsewhere, I will mention that moving him would let us take back someone up to around the $25 million range with the Simons TPE and avoid the tax next year.  As he makes exactly $25 million the each of the next three years, and is a decent candidate to be traded, I would kick the tires on Josh Giddey.

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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2026, 11:47:09 AM »

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If what Brad says is true he wants some players who can attack the rim.   Which of these can drive in traffic?

He also mentioned getting more athletic.

Ayo Dosunmu fits both of these pretty well.

Dosunmu will be tricky because he requires a sign-and-trade to acquire, and Minny will a) want to keep him and b) is too close to the tax to take back the salary we would need to make a competitive offer salary-wise to Dosunmu.  I believe he is an unrestricted free agent too, which will make him go off the board more quickly.

Minny will need to move salary if they do resign Dosunmu, however.  I bet the Celtics could get a little draft compensation for taking on DiVincenzo.  We could rehab him and hope he comes back in March like Tatum, or use him as salary-ballast for a future trade since he is an expiring deal.

Definitely not plan A or even B, but could be plan G.

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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2026, 01:22:33 PM »

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If what Brad says is true he wants some players who can attack the rim.   Which of these can drive in traffic?

He also mentioned getting more athletic.

Ayo Dosunmu fits both of these pretty well.

Dosunmu will be tricky because he requires a sign-and-trade to acquire, and Minny will a) want to keep him and b) is too close to the tax to take back the salary we would need to make a competitive offer salary-wise to Dosunmu.  I believe he is an unrestricted free agent too, which will make him go off the board more quickly.

Minny will need to move salary if they do resign Dosunmu, however.  I bet the Celtics could get a little draft compensation for taking on DiVincenzo.  We could rehab him and hope he comes back in March like Tatum, or use him as salary-ballast for a future trade since he is an expiring deal.

Definitely not plan A or even B, but could be plan G.

Do we not have the full MLE to offer Dosunmu?

Do you expect him to get more than the full MLE? How much do you think he will get?

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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2026, 01:32:50 PM »

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If what Brad says is true he wants some players who can attack the rim.   Which of these can drive in traffic?

He also mentioned getting more athletic.

Ayo Dosunmu fits both of these pretty well.

Dosunmu will be tricky because he requires a sign-and-trade to acquire, and Minny will a) want to keep him and b) is too close to the tax to take back the salary we would need to make a competitive offer salary-wise to Dosunmu.  I believe he is an unrestricted free agent too, which will make him go off the board more quickly.

Minny will need to move salary if they do resign Dosunmu, however.  I bet the Celtics could get a little draft compensation for taking on DiVincenzo.  We could rehab him and hope he comes back in March like Tatum, or use him as salary-ballast for a future trade since he is an expiring deal.

Definitely not plan A or even B, but could be plan G.

Do we not have the full MLE to offer Dosunmu?

Do you expect him to get more than the full MLE? How much do you think he will get?

I think the assumption is that Dosunmu gets more than the MLE, but if I'm Brad, he's my first call at FA and we offer him a starting spot next to White in the backcourt.

C2021 is correct, though, that Minny is in a tough spot with the signing since they have a number of big contracts, as well as roster spots to fill. It's really unfortunate what happened to DD - both in that I feel bad for him, but also that he would be a perfect player for us to take in through our TPE since Minny should definitely be looking to move salary. I don't think we should be counting on him making a Tatum-like return

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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2026, 02:08:34 PM »

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Dosunmu will be tricky because he requires a sign-and-trade to acquire, and Minny will a) want to keep him and b) is too close to the tax to take back the salary we would need to make a competitive offer salary-wise to Dosunmu.  I believe he is an unrestricted free agent too, which will make him go off the board more quickly.

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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2026, 04:43:47 PM »

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If what Brad says is true he wants some players who can attack the rim.   Which of these can drive in traffic?

He also mentioned getting more athletic.

Ayo Dosunmu fits both of these pretty well.

Dosunmu will be tricky because he requires a sign-and-trade to acquire, and Minny will a) want to keep him and b) is too close to the tax to take back the salary we would need to make a competitive offer salary-wise to Dosunmu.  I believe he is an unrestricted free agent too, which will make him go off the board more quickly.

Minny will need to move salary if they do resign Dosunmu, however.  I bet the Celtics could get a little draft compensation for taking on DiVincenzo.  We could rehab him and hope he comes back in March like Tatum, or use him as salary-ballast for a future trade since he is an expiring deal.

Definitely not plan A or even B, but could be plan G.

Do we not have the full MLE to offer Dosunmu?

Do you expect him to get more than the full MLE? How much do you think he will get?

Yes, I expect Dosunmu to exceed the MLE.  If not, I agree that should be one of the first calls Brad makes, but I think Minny figures out how to afford keeping him with their Bird rights in the $18-20 million range, winding up between the tax and the first apron.

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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2026, 10:27:56 PM »

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Re: Guard Help Wanted
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2026, 11:38:03 PM »

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Benedict Mathurin had a disappointing year overall, and a very rough time on the Clippers.  Prior to the Clippers getting #5 pick from Indy, I would have expected them to keep Mathurin at almost any cost just to not lose out on an asset acquired for Zubac.  But now that they struck it rich in the lottery, they may avoid the sunk cost fallacy.  He is notoriously inconsistent, but could he fit as our starting 2 for something around $20 million in a sign-and-trade?

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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2026, 11:52:32 PM »

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Benedict Mathurin had a disappointing year overall, and a very rough time on the Clippers.  Prior to the Clippers getting #5 pick from Indy, I would have expected them to keep Mathurin at almost any cost just to not lose out on an asset acquired for Zubac.  But now that they struck it rich in the lottery, they may avoid the sunk cost fallacy.  He is notoriously inconsistent, but could he fit as our starting 2 for something around $20 million in a sign-and-trade?

I?ve always liked Mathurin. Doubt they trade him, though. He?s only 23 and has a lot of upside still.
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Re: Guard Help Wanted
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2026, 12:26:22 AM »

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Benedict Mathurin had a disappointing year overall, and a very rough time on the Clippers.  Prior to the Clippers getting #5 pick from Indy, I would have expected them to keep Mathurin at almost any cost just to not lose out on an asset acquired for Zubac.  But now that they struck it rich in the lottery, they may avoid the sunk cost fallacy.  He is notoriously inconsistent, but could he fit as our starting 2 for something around $20 million in a sign-and-trade?

I?ve always liked Mathurin. Doubt they trade him, though. He?s only 23 and has a lot of upside still.

The Clippers are in a weird spot.  They can pretty easily clear salary to have about $30 million in cap space, since they have a bunch of guys with team options.  You can probably get someone better than Mathurin at that price.  Or they can keep all their players from a #9 seed and very quickly find themselves in the tax again.

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« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2026, 06:59:26 AM »

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Benedict Mathurin had a disappointing year overall, and a very rough time on the Clippers.  Prior to the Clippers getting #5 pick from Indy, I would have expected them to keep Mathurin at almost any cost just to not lose out on an asset acquired for Zubac.  But now that they struck it rich in the lottery, they may avoid the sunk cost fallacy.  He is notoriously inconsistent, but could he fit as our starting 2 for something around $20 million in a sign-and-trade?

I don't think Mathurin is a good fit for what we need.

He is like a young Jaylen Brown with blinkers on in the offensive end of the floor. He doesn't pass. He doesn't connect the play. He doesn't handle the ball all that well. He has a career 1:1 AST:TOV ratio. This detracts from his offensive value and often has him having less impact on the offensive end than you would expect with someone with his scoring numbers.

Mathurin can defend & rebound the SG position well enough but he gets asked to play SF often due to his lack of passing / connectivity skills. He is a below average defender at the SF position. This combined with his mixed offensive game often makes him a net negative overall at SF.

Mathurin was unable to beat out Nembhard in Indiana at SG because of his limited ball-handling and passing ability. Mathurin was a much better scorer and a better shooter. Nembhard has improved his defense in recent years to become a well above average defender which Mathurin is still not despite his physical tools. Basically, Nembhard was the glue guy who did all the little things that make teams win. Mathurin was the guy who did little of the glue guy tasks prefering the guady scoring. The team won more with Nembhard.

I think we need a glue guy in that backcourt to help the Jays out. Or at least someone who is closer to neutral in glue guy tasks (Dosunmu) rather than a net negative in glue guy tasks (Mathurin). A connectivity player more than a scorer.

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On another note, Mathurin reminds me of Mikael Pietrus. Not the talent but the similar lack of connectivity skills that held Pietrus back throughout his career. Orlando signed Pietrus to be their defensive stopper on the wing. They needed someone with true size and athleticism at SG to matchup against the superior talents at that position in the league. It was a match made in heaven.

However, Pietrus couldn't hold down the position. The reason was because he was a black hole on offense. He didn't facilitate the offense enough for a SG and his superiority defensively didn't make up for the lack of offensive facilitation. In the end, Courtney Lee beat him out for playing time. Lee wasn't as talented as a defender (lacked strenght size to defend big SGs, or any SFs) but Lee did the little things in terms of ball movement. Redick beat out Pietrus as well. Not as much defense but more offense. Both those guys did the connectivity part. In the end, Pietrus became more of a backup SF rather than the starting SG they thought they were acquiring. Then he became a journeyman spending some time here in BOS where he took up a similar role.

Mathurin is in danger of falling down a similar path. His lack of offensive connectivity makes it hard for teams to play him at guard and he isn't big enough to be effective at SF defensively. So he is a bit of a tweener in terms of skill-set / physical talent. He needs to improve his passing, ball-handling and team offense to fix his career. I am not confident he will.

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Mathurin is the type of player I would be happy to take a gamble on at a low price but I wouldn't bet heavily on him. The reason being his lack of progress in his 4yr career thus far. I am rooting for him but I am not confident in him.

And with BOS in their present position, I would rather go after more of a sure-thing rather than a higher risk higher upside guy like Mathurin.
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