Time for a change?

[Goldstar88]

There are bajillion threads so I will put my latest idea here. 

JB To Charlotte for:

Diabate
Connaughton (salary purposes for Charlotte)
4 FRPs

While Diabate is valuable, Charlotte just traded for Naz Reid, has Kalkbrenner, and just drafted Hannes Steinbach with pick 14 on Tuesday, so Diabate should not be untouchable.  JB will provide the gravity the Hornets need to get their open 3s in a way that Brandon Miller is not yet ready to do.

The Celtics, in addition to getting a solid center who is at least equal to Queta, get a bevy of picks.  But they also get either a $57 million trade exception, or, even better in my mind since they are taking back only $6 million in salary, $32 million in cap space (once they have waived Banton, Shulga, and Williams).  They would have a bunch of choices on how to spend it.  My preference would be poaching Peyton Watson from Denver, which cannot afford to match a large offer (would not give him all $32 million tho), but getting in on Norm Powell is an option, as is offering LeBron $32 million to be a mercenary.  They would also have the $9.4 million room exception to add a reserve (I would be happy to reunite with Simons at this number). 

Any extra cap space they have after their signing could be used to renegotiate and extend either Pritchard or Queta, giving them an early raise now in exchange for a lower salary in the future.

Ideally this would allow the Celtics to turn Jaylen into Watson, Diabate, and many first round picks while resetting their financial situation for the long-term.

Interesting. Feels like we?d be a few years away from contending but I?m not opposed to that.

Which one of you is helping Tatum pack and then driving him to the airport?

[Celtics2021]

There are bajillion threads so I will put my latest idea here. 

JB To Charlotte for:

Diabate
Connaughton (salary purposes for Charlotte)
4 FRPs

While Diabate is valuable, Charlotte just traded for Naz Reid, has Kalkbrenner, and just drafted Hannes Steinbach with pick 14 on Tuesday, so Diabate should not be untouchable.  JB will provide the gravity the Hornets need to get their open 3s in a way that Brandon Miller is not yet ready to do.

The Celtics, in addition to getting a solid center who is at least equal to Queta, get a bevy of picks.  But they also get either a $57 million trade exception, or, even better in my mind since they are taking back only $6 million in salary, $32 million in cap space (once they have waived Banton, Shulga, and Williams).  They would have a bunch of choices on how to spend it.  My preference would be poaching Peyton Watson from Denver, which cannot afford to match a large offer (would not give him all $32 million tho), but getting in on Norm Powell is an option, as is offering LeBron $32 million to be a mercenary.  They would also have the $9.4 million room exception to add a reserve (I would be happy to reunite with Simons at this number). 

Any extra cap space they have after their signing could be used to renegotiate and extend either Pritchard or Queta, giving them an early raise now in exchange for a lower salary in the future.

Ideally this would allow the Celtics to turn Jaylen into Watson, Diabate, and many first round picks while resetting their financial situation for the long-term.

Interesting. Feels like we?d be a few years away from contending but I?m not opposed to that.

Which one of you is helping Tatum pack and then driving him to the airport?

If Jaylen Brown can lead last year?s team to 56 wins and call it his favorite year, then Tatum can do the same.

[Goldstar88]

There are bajillion threads so I will put my latest idea here. 

JB To Charlotte for:

Diabate
Connaughton (salary purposes for Charlotte)
4 FRPs

While Diabate is valuable, Charlotte just traded for Naz Reid, has Kalkbrenner, and just drafted Hannes Steinbach with pick 14 on Tuesday, so Diabate should not be untouchable.  JB will provide the gravity the Hornets need to get their open 3s in a way that Brandon Miller is not yet ready to do.

The Celtics, in addition to getting a solid center who is at least equal to Queta, get a bevy of picks.  But they also get either a $57 million trade exception, or, even better in my mind since they are taking back only $6 million in salary, $32 million in cap space (once they have waived Banton, Shulga, and Williams).  They would have a bunch of choices on how to spend it.  My preference would be poaching Peyton Watson from Denver, which cannot afford to match a large offer (would not give him all $32 million tho), but getting in on Norm Powell is an option, as is offering LeBron $32 million to be a mercenary.  They would also have the $9.4 million room exception to add a reserve (I would be happy to reunite with Simons at this number). 

Any extra cap space they have after their signing could be used to renegotiate and extend either Pritchard or Queta, giving them an early raise now in exchange for a lower salary in the future.

Ideally this would allow the Celtics to turn Jaylen into Watson, Diabate, and many first round picks while resetting their financial situation for the long-term.

Interesting. Feels like we?d be a few years away from contending but I?m not opposed to that.

Which one of you is helping Tatum pack and then driving him to the airport?

If Jaylen Brown can lead last year?s team to 56 wins and call it his favorite year, then Tatum can do the same.

 And a first round playoff exit. Sounds fantastic! 

[celticinorlando]

I still think the crux of this comes down to Brad telling JB in the May meeting they were not offering an extension this summer. This to me is the driving force for Boston. In this new cap era having 2 guys making 60 million plus means it will be hard to compete and build a good roster.

JB right now has his highest value. It will not get any higher so it is time to move him. This to me is purely a business decision for the Celtics to get his salary off the books and not have to extend him.

Can they keep him? Yes. Let him play out his 3 year deal but that still really handcuffs this team building a really strong and deep roster.

[Goldstar88]

I still think the crux of this comes down to Brad telling JB in the May meeting they were not offering an extension this summer. This to me is the driving force for Boston. In this new cap era having 2 guys making 60 million plus means it will be hard to compete and build a good roster.

JB right now has his highest value. It will not get any higher so it is time to move him. This to me is purely a business decision for the Celtics to get his salary off the books and not have to extend him.

Can they keep him? Yes. Let him play out his 3 year deal but that still really handcuffs this team building a really strong and deep roster.

I also think being eliminated in the early rounds of the playoffs 3 out of 4 rounds has something to do with it as well. He isn?t worth $60M+ per
year.

[Celtics2021]

I still think the crux of this comes down to Brad telling JB in the May meeting they were not offering an extension this summer. This to me is the driving force for Boston. In this new cap era having 2 guys making 60 million plus means it will be hard to compete and build a good roster.

JB right now has his highest value. It will not get any higher so it is time to move him. This to me is purely a business decision for the Celtics to get his salary off the books and not have to extend him.

Can they keep him? Yes. Let him play out his 3 year deal but that still really handcuffs this team building a really strong and deep roster.

I also think being eliminated in the early rounds of the playoffs 3 out of 4 rounds has something to do with it as well. He isn?t worth $60M+ per
year.

The conference finals is not the early rounds, dude.  Your expectations are off the hook.

[Moranis]

I still think the crux of this comes down to Brad telling JB in the May meeting they were not offering an extension this summer. This to me is the driving force for Boston. In this new cap era having 2 guys making 60 million plus means it will be hard to compete and build a good roster.

JB right now has his highest value. It will not get any higher so it is time to move him. This to me is purely a business decision for the Celtics to get his salary off the books and not have to extend him.

Can they keep him? Yes. Let him play out his 3 year deal but that still really handcuffs this team building a really strong and deep roster.

I also think being eliminated in the early rounds of the playoffs 3 out of 4 rounds has something to do with it as well. He isn?t worth $60M+ per
year.

The conference finals is not the early rounds, dude.  Your expectations are off the hook.

1st round and 2nd round are though and those are the most recent 2.

[Neurotic Guy]

I still think the crux of this comes down to Brad telling JB in the May meeting they were not offering an extension this summer. This to me is the driving force for Boston. In this new cap era having 2 guys making 60 million plus means it will be hard to compete and build a good roster.

JB right now has his highest value. It will not get any higher so it is time to move him. This to me is purely a business decision for the Celtics to get his salary off the books and not have to extend him.

Can they keep him? Yes. Let him play out his 3 year deal but that still really handcuffs this team building a really strong and deep roster.

I also think being eliminated in the early rounds of the playoffs 3 out of 4 rounds has something to do with it as well. He isn?t worth $60M+ per
year.

The conference finals is not the early rounds, dude.  Your expectations are off the hook.

This. What NBA teams have had an ECF exit, a Finals loss, and a championship in the last five years?  Only one.

[celticinorlando]

At this point...just keep him. The interest around the league is not nearly as expected and Boston is going to have to take a crap deal to unload him. Address the holes in FA and try to trade Sam.


NBACentral
@TheDunkCentral
?
15m
Jaylen Brown?s trade value isn?t that high around the league, per
@BobbyMarks42
 

?I had an analytics guy tell me, ?We view [Jaylen Brown] as the seventh-best player on a TEAM.??😳

(Via
@SiriusXMNBA
 )

[Who]

JB right now has his highest value. It will not get any higher so it is time to move him.

I think his value was higher in the past. I think it has already peaked and is falling and will continue to fall - fall rapidly - over the next 2 years. His trade value probably peaked at his Finals MVP.

Jaylen reached his highest point as a player finishing 6th in MVP voting but that does not mean this is highest point as a trade asset. Jaylen is 29 years old now and has a very large contract with a larger contract extension on the horizon. I think that contract and his age is reducing his trade value more than people think.

That the market is not as strong as people. That people are over-estimating what they can get for Jaylen.

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I agree if we are going to move to Jaylen, the time is now ... because his trade value will fall off a cliff in the very near future. Probably as soon as he signs that contract extension.

It is a "now or never" scenario. You can probably wait it out til midseason. I don't think you get to next summer. This is the best trade value Jaylen is going to have for the remainder of his career. And it is going to drop off hugely in the near future.

[Celtics2021]

At this point...just keep him. The interest around the league is not nearly as expected and Boston is going to have to take a crap deal to unload him. Address the holes in FA and try to trade Sam.


NBACentral
@TheDunkCentral
?
15m
Jaylen Brown?s trade value isn?t that high around the league, per
@BobbyMarks42
 

?I had an analytics guy tell me, ?We view [Jaylen Brown] as the seventh-best player on a TEAM.??😳

(Via
@SiriusXMNBA
 )

Yeah, so that analytics guy is in love with his own model or works for a team that is trying hard to drive down Jaylen?s value.  Zach Levine he is not.

[Who]

?I had an analytics guy tell me, ?We view [Jaylen Brown] as the seventh-best player on a TEAM.??😳

(Via
@SiriusXMNBA
 )

Haha. I love the analytics guys. They always have some of the most outrageous takes based on whatever data they are looking at.

I remember this one guy - Winson something -- who worked for the Dallas Mavericks in the late 00s. He was specializing in plus minus data and lineup data. He was doing analysis on Kevin Durant. His plus minus data said Kevin Durant was the worst player in the NBA. He argued that he wouldn't even trade a 3rd stringer for Kevin Durant.

Now that plus minus data wasn't all wrong. The analysis of what the data was telling him is where he went wrong. Durant was a terrible defender to begin his NBA career. Then he was struggling with his scoring efficiency for the first 18 months of his career. The data was pointing out legitimate problems. However, it was clear as night and day to anyone that has eyes that Durant was talented scorer and terrific shooter whose efficiency would improve as his shot selection improved and that his terrible defensive numbers would cease to be terrible once he grew into his body and learned how to play NBA defense. Not this analytics guy though. To him Durant wasn't worth a 3rd stringer!!!

You gotta enjoy these takes from these data-obsessed / tunnel vision analytics heads. They make some of the most terrible decisions / analysis in the business. They are hilarious.

[Phantom255x]

Laughable. Keep Jaylen and instead, show Jaylen that look, this is what the league thinks of you. Will you accept it? Make him more motivated for next season.

If teams value him like that and that's why it hasn't happened, then it's not worth it.

[Chief]

What does a realistic Tatum/Brown team look like without going over 2nd apron? Im talking about a team that can beat the Knicks, Timberwolves,  Spurs, and Thunder

[Who]

What does a realistic Tatum/Brown team look like without going over 2nd apron? Im talking about a team that can beat the Knicks, Timberwolves,  Spurs, and Thunder

I don't think you worry about the West. And OKC are going to have their own problems trying to keep that team together.

You just worry about your own conference. So can a Tatum / Jaylen tandem lead a team over the best teams in the East? Heck yes!!! That is why you do not break them up.