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Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #255 on: May 24, 2026, 10:08:39 PM »

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I think the playoffs are different than the regular season. I do not think Simons would have gotten a ton of play in these playoffs honestly because you have to choose him or Pritchard. It?s tough to have two guys people can attack and Pritchard has a bit more strength to resist at times than Simons. Same for Brunson since he is pretty strong so he is not as easy to pick on as Simons in my opinion. I would take Simons back if we trade Pritchard otherwise not really worth what we would likely have to pay for him.

Well I'm just some schmo on the internet.  So let's allow his coach tell us how Simons' defense is completely different now:

https://www.tiktok.com/@nbcsboston/video/7595799206477024567

And here's video evidence of the transformation he made from the first two months of the season to the last two:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy6N9ogl8C0

That's better evidence than what my personal opinion is on a keyboard.

Simons finished the season hurt after reaggrevating an injury from the Celtics training camp, so I am not sure he would have gotten any playing time.  I also am not convinced that some nice things were not said about him just to try to improve his trade value.

That said, I liked him and would be happy to have him back next year.  Defense aside, we could have used his offensive energy during the Philly series if he were available.

We do not have enough scorers.

We are going to have to live with somebody who is subpar defensively. Whether that is a guard like A Simons or a big man like Vucevic. We need some more offense. We cannot just have 4 guys who can get baskets and then a bunch of garbage men (Queta, J Walsh, Hugo, Baylor, Garza).

It would be great to get a two-way player with shot creation skills but those guys cost a ton of money / trade assets. We do not have much of either of those. We have the MLE.

Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #256 on: May 24, 2026, 11:02:53 PM »

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I think the playoffs are different than the regular season. I do not think Simons would have gotten a ton of play in these playoffs honestly because you have to choose him or Pritchard. It?s tough to have two guys people can attack and Pritchard has a bit more strength to resist at times than Simons. Same for Brunson since he is pretty strong so he is not as easy to pick on as Simons in my opinion. I would take Simons back if we trade Pritchard otherwise not really worth what we would likely have to pay for him.

Well I'm just some schmo on the internet.  So let's allow his coach tell us how Simons' defense is completely different now:

https://www.tiktok.com/@nbcsboston/video/7595799206477024567

And here's video evidence of the transformation he made from the first two months of the season to the last two:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy6N9ogl8C0

That's better evidence than what my personal opinion is on a keyboard.

Simons finished the season hurt after reaggrevating an injury from the Celtics training camp, so I am not sure he would have gotten any playing time.  I also am not convinced that some nice things were not said about him just to try to improve his trade value.

That said, I liked him and would be happy to have him back next year.  Defense aside, we could have used his offensive energy during the Philly series if he were available.

We do not have enough scorers.

We are going to have to live with somebody who is subpar defensively. Whether that is a guard like A Simons or a big man like Vucevic. We need some more offense. We cannot just have 4 guys who can get baskets and then a bunch of garbage men (Queta, J Walsh, Hugo, Baylor, Garza).

It would be great to get a two-way player with shot creation skills but those guys cost a ton of money / trade assets. We do not have much of either of those. We have the MLE.

Exactly. TP.

Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #257 on: Yesterday at 10:23:46 AM »

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I think the playoffs are different than the regular season. I do not think Simons would have gotten a ton of play in these playoffs honestly because you have to choose him or Pritchard. It?s tough to have two guys people can attack and Pritchard has a bit more strength to resist at times than Simons. Same for Brunson since he is pretty strong so he is not as easy to pick on as Simons in my opinion. I would take Simons back if we trade Pritchard otherwise not really worth what we would likely have to pay for him.

Well I'm just some schmo on the internet.  So let's allow his coach tell us how Simons' defense is completely different now:

https://www.tiktok.com/@nbcsboston/video/7595799206477024567

And here's video evidence of the transformation he made from the first two months of the season to the last two:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy6N9ogl8C0

That's better evidence than what my personal opinion is on a keyboard.

Simons finished the season hurt after reaggrevating an injury from the Celtics training camp, so I am not sure he would have gotten any playing time.  I also am not convinced that some nice things were not said about him just to try to improve his trade value.

That said, I liked him and would be happy to have him back next year.  Defense aside, we could have used his offensive energy during the Philly series if he were available.

You're right, his injury definitely would have played a part in how much he saw the floor.

And I totally agree that Joe might have been trying to improve Simons' trade value, but two things can be true at once.  Anfernee's defense could also have improved tremendously.

And that's why I didn't just include coach-speak in my reply, but video evidence. 

I'm not saying playoff teams would not have at least tried to hunt him, but merely that it wouldn't have been like they were going after the Portland version of Simons. 

His technique, and especially his effort, completely changed with the Celtics.

Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #258 on: Yesterday at 11:22:39 AM »

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Why are people assuming that if Simons were here Joe would even play him? This is a moron of a coach who thought it was a good idea to play Tatum off an Achilles tear 40 minutes a game. And shockingly he got hurt. I don?t see this coach giving him minutes, espically with the defensive issues. Mazzula makes Kenny Atkinson look like a great coach. When Kenny said the Cavs were up 2-1 analytically I laughed and thought that?s exactly what Joe would say. Changes should start there. Unfortunately we got a least one more year of that guy. So it wouldn?t matter if Simons was here or not
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Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #259 on: Yesterday at 01:31:26 PM »

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I think the playoffs are different than the regular season. I do not think Simons would have gotten a ton of play in these playoffs honestly because you have to choose him or Pritchard. It?s tough to have two guys people can attack and Pritchard has a bit more strength to resist at times than Simons. Same for Brunson since he is pretty strong so he is not as easy to pick on as Simons in my opinion. I would take Simons back if we trade Pritchard otherwise not really worth what we would likely have to pay for him.

Well I'm just some schmo on the internet.  So let's allow his coach tell us how Simons' defense is completely different now:

https://www.tiktok.com/@nbcsboston/video/7595799206477024567

And here's video evidence of the transformation he made from the first two months of the season to the last two:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy6N9ogl8C0

That's better evidence than what my personal opinion is on a keyboard.

Simons finished the season hurt after reaggrevating an injury from the Celtics training camp, so I am not sure he would have gotten any playing time.  I also am not convinced that some nice things were not said about him just to try to improve his trade value.

That said, I liked him and would be happy to have him back next year.  Defense aside, we could have used his offensive energy during the Philly series if he were available.

We do not have enough scorers.

We are going to have to live with somebody who is subpar defensively. Whether that is a guard like A Simons or a big man like Vucevic. We need some more offense. We cannot just have 4 guys who can get baskets and then a bunch of garbage men (Queta, J Walsh, Hugo, Baylor, Garza).

It would be great to get a two-way player with shot creation skills but those guys cost a ton of money / trade assets. We do not have much of either of those. We have the MLE.

Exactly. TP.

I think the issue is if Pritchard isn't capable of doing what Simons is doing, what is he here for? He's supposed to be our bench guard scorer. Now we apparently need two of them, both of whom aren't great on defense. I know they're not exactly the same player, but we have other needs on the roster as well.

This wouldn't be as big of a concern if White actually was shooting up to his potential and Pritchard didn't get overwhelmed by the tougher defenses in the playoffs. Shooting is supposed to be one of their specialties, and now we're saying we also need a third guard for whom shooting is his primary skill.

I do like Simons and if you can get him for a bargain, go for it. It would have to be cheap enough so it could be moved if necessary, however, because I think if we're trying to go where we need to go, we eventually do need more heft at the position.

I guess what I'm saying is more shooting is nice, but I thought the big picture goal after the disappointing playoff result was 1) more rim pressure on offense so we're not so 3 reliant and 2) upping our overall size, athleticism, and physicality on the team. Even if there's no clearcut alternative two-way guy out there, is there an opportunity cost to signing Simons and playing him the minutes he expects over some other player (Ron Harper Jr.!). Or, maybe a drafted player since this is a guard-heavy draft. It would be nice to get a long-term guard for the future to eventually replace White or Pritchard in the next few years (or even now if White is on the trade block).


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« Reply #260 on: Yesterday at 03:55:37 PM »

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There is a belief in some corners of the league that Atlanta, Houston and Portland all have legitimate trade interest in Jaylen Brown. Which is something to file away if you're looking for participants that might be interested in joining an eventual multi-team Antetokounmpo trade construction.
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I've heard something similar from a few different teams since the Chicago draft combine: Miami and Boston are increasingly perceived to be the potential trade destinations that currently underline currently most intrigue Milwaukee's Antetokounmpo.
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Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #261 on: Yesterday at 03:59:42 PM »

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There is a belief in some corners of the league that Atlanta, Houston and Portland all have legitimate trade interest in Jaylen Brown. Which is something to file away if you're looking for participants that might be interested in joining an eventual multi-team Antetokounmpo trade construction.
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I wonder if Houston has more interest in Jaylen than Giannis.

Jaylen & Durant combo is nice at forward.
Durant & Giannis combo could be lethal.

G: VanVleet, (free agent)
G: Amen, (free agent)
F: Jaylen, Okogie
F: Durant, T Eason
C: S Adams, Capela

Assuming a Reed Sheppard & Sengun based trade.

G: VanVleet, (free agent)
G: Amen, (free agent)
F: Durant, Okogie
F: Giannis, T Eason
C: S Adams, Capela

I love the Giannis and Durant combo but I do not like (a) Amen Thompson alongside Giannis (b) non-shooter paint dweller centers like S Adams and C Capela alongside Giannis.

I think the Jaylen team is better.

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I'd love to see Houston trade Amen. That would open up so many options for Houston. Fix their shooting woes. Give them a 3rd star alongside Sengun & Durant. Or Durant & Giannis. Or Durant & Jaylen.

Waiting for Amen to learn how to shoot is wrecking their title window with Durant.

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« Reply #262 on: Yesterday at 04:27:12 PM »

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JB and Garza to Houston
Giannis and Portis to Boston
Sengun, Finny-Smith and 1st round picks to Milwaukee.
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Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #263 on: Yesterday at 04:35:52 PM »

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JB and Garza to Houston
Giannis and Portis to Boston
Sengun, Finny-Smith and 1st round picks to Milwaukee.

Boston fans would go crazy for Portis. I like the trade if Brad likes it. My bottom line is that if Brad thinks trading JB for Giannis is a good idea then I think so too. 

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« Reply #264 on: Yesterday at 08:43:59 PM »

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There is a belief in some corners of the league that Atlanta, Houston and Portland all have legitimate trade interest in Jaylen Brown. Which is something to file away if you're looking for participants that might be interested in joining an eventual multi-team Antetokounmpo trade construction.
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I've heard something similar from a few different teams since the Chicago draft combine: Miami and Boston are increasingly perceived to be the potential trade destinations that currently underline currently most intrigue Milwaukee's Antetokounmpo.
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Seems reasonable, but may be more speculation than reporting.  I hope Boston is working all the angles on this though.

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« Reply #265 on: Today at 07:43:08 AM »

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Miami trading for Giannis would put him right back on a middling roster. Bam and Giannis and not a lot else.

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« Reply #266 on: Today at 08:15:13 AM »

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There is a belief in some corners of the league that Atlanta, Houston and Portland all have legitimate trade interest in Jaylen Brown. Which is something to file away if you're looking for participants that might be interested in joining an eventual multi-team Antetokounmpo trade construction.
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I wonder if Houston has more interest in Jaylen than Giannis.

Jaylen & Durant combo is nice at forward.
Durant & Giannis combo could be lethal.

G: VanVleet, (free agent)
G: Amen, (free agent)
F: Jaylen, Okogie
F: Durant, T Eason
C: S Adams, Capela

Assuming a Reed Sheppard & Sengun based trade.

G: VanVleet, (free agent)
G: Amen, (free agent)
F: Durant, Okogie
F: Giannis, T Eason
C: S Adams, Capela

I love the Giannis and Durant combo but I do not like (a) Amen Thompson alongside Giannis (b) non-shooter paint dweller centers like S Adams and C Capela alongside Giannis.

I think the Jaylen team is better.

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I'd love to see Houston trade Amen. That would open up so many options for Houston. Fix their shooting woes. Give them a 3rd star alongside Sengun & Durant. Or Durant & Giannis. Or Durant & Jaylen.

Waiting for Amen to learn how to shoot is wrecking their title window with Durant.
the problem with that team is not that Amen can't shoot, it is that only Durant can shoot.  Keeping Sheppard and having him start would help. He is a much better shooter than VanVleet.  They need a center that can shoot also as that would open up the inside for Giannis. 
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« Reply #267 on: Today at 12:27:07 PM »

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Miami trading for Giannis would put him right back on a middling roster. Bam and Giannis and not a lot else.

G: Davion Mitchell, (FA)
G: Norm Powell, Dru Smith, K Jakucionis
F: Andrew Wiggins, P Larsson
F: Giannis, N Jovic
C: Bam, (FA)

Yeah, that roster is fairly bare.

Norm Powell as a 3rd scorer. Okayish. Bam as a 2nd scorer is weak. Davion Mitchell and A Wiggins are passable starters.

The bench has nothing on it. Not a single high end bench player. Not a single above average bench player. Pelle Larsson perhaps an average bench player. The others all below average bench players. One of the worst benchs in the league.

In terms of shooters around Giannis, Norm Powell is the only strong shooter in the starting lineup. Davion Mitchell is a reluctant shooter who rarely shoots (only 3.3 3PTA per game, one attempt every 9 minutes). Wiggins passable. Edit: Wiggins is a better shooter than I was giving him credit for. 5 3PTA in 30mpg 38.7% last 5 years. Bam can shoot a bit but only 31.6% 3PT this season and 35.7% the year before.

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« Reply #268 on: Today at 12:57:23 PM »

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I think the playoffs are different than the regular season. I do not think Simons would have gotten a ton of play in these playoffs honestly because you have to choose him or Pritchard. It?s tough to have two guys people can attack and Pritchard has a bit more strength to resist at times than Simons. Same for Brunson since he is pretty strong so he is not as easy to pick on as Simons in my opinion. I would take Simons back if we trade Pritchard otherwise not really worth what we would likely have to pay for him.

Well I'm just some schmo on the internet.  So let's allow his coach tell us how Simons' defense is completely different now:

https://www.tiktok.com/@nbcsboston/video/7595799206477024567

And here's video evidence of the transformation he made from the first two months of the season to the last two:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy6N9ogl8C0

That's better evidence than what my personal opinion is on a keyboard.

Simons finished the season hurt after reaggrevating an injury from the Celtics training camp, so I am not sure he would have gotten any playing time.  I also am not convinced that some nice things were not said about him just to try to improve his trade value.

That said, I liked him and would be happy to have him back next year.  Defense aside, we could have used his offensive energy during the Philly series if he were available.

We do not have enough scorers.

We are going to have to live with somebody who is subpar defensively. Whether that is a guard like A Simons or a big man like Vucevic. We need some more offense. We cannot just have 4 guys who can get baskets and then a bunch of garbage men (Queta, J Walsh, Hugo, Baylor, Garza).

It would be great to get a two-way player with shot creation skills but those guys cost a ton of money / trade assets. We do not have much of either of those. We have the MLE.

Exactly. TP.

I think the issue is if Pritchard isn't capable of doing what Simons is doing, what is he here for? He's supposed to be our bench guard scorer. Now we apparently need two of them, both of whom aren't great on defense. I know they're not exactly the same player, but we have other needs on the roster as well.

This wouldn't be as big of a concern if White actually was shooting up to his potential and Pritchard didn't get overwhelmed by the tougher defenses in the playoffs. Shooting is supposed to be one of their specialties, and now we're saying we also need a third guard for whom shooting is his primary skill.

I do like Simons and if you can get him for a bargain, go for it. It would have to be cheap enough so it could be moved if necessary, however, because I think if we're trying to go where we need to go, we eventually do need more heft at the position.

I guess what I'm saying is more shooting is nice, but I thought the big picture goal after the disappointing playoff result was 1) more rim pressure on offense so we're not so 3 reliant and 2) upping our overall size, athleticism, and physicality on the team. Even if there's no clearcut alternative two-way guy out there, is there an opportunity cost to signing Simons and playing him the minutes he expects over some other player (Ron Harper Jr.!). Or, maybe a drafted player since this is a guard-heavy draft. It would be nice to get a long-term guard for the future to eventually replace White or Pritchard in the next few years (or even now if White is on the trade block).

The goal would be to keep Pritchard in the starting lineup thus creating a need for a bench guard.

I'd like to have another ball-handler and ball mover in that starting lineup to help the Jays. I like having two ball-handling guards next to them to help facilitate the offense. Rather than a wing player (SG/SF) as the 5th starter who doesn't handle the ball or pass the ball well and puts more pressure on the Jays.

I also like having a dynamic shooter / shot maker alongside them to provide true spacing ... versus a spot up shooter like Hauser / Baylor or non shooters like J Walsh / Hugo. Pritchard can not only shoot spot ups but also off the dribble. He opens up the offense.

Re: Time for a change?
« Reply #269 on: Today at 01:12:19 PM »

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I think the playoffs are different than the regular season. I do not think Simons would have gotten a ton of play in these playoffs honestly because you have to choose him or Pritchard. It?s tough to have two guys people can attack and Pritchard has a bit more strength to resist at times than Simons. Same for Brunson since he is pretty strong so he is not as easy to pick on as Simons in my opinion. I would take Simons back if we trade Pritchard otherwise not really worth what we would likely have to pay for him.

Well I'm just some schmo on the internet.  So let's allow his coach tell us how Simons' defense is completely different now:

https://www.tiktok.com/@nbcsboston/video/7595799206477024567

And here's video evidence of the transformation he made from the first two months of the season to the last two:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy6N9ogl8C0

That's better evidence than what my personal opinion is on a keyboard.

Simons finished the season hurt after reaggrevating an injury from the Celtics training camp, so I am not sure he would have gotten any playing time.  I also am not convinced that some nice things were not said about him just to try to improve his trade value.

That said, I liked him and would be happy to have him back next year.  Defense aside, we could have used his offensive energy during the Philly series if he were available.

We do not have enough scorers.

We are going to have to live with somebody who is subpar defensively. Whether that is a guard like A Simons or a big man like Vucevic. We need some more offense. We cannot just have 4 guys who can get baskets and then a bunch of garbage men (Queta, J Walsh, Hugo, Baylor, Garza).

It would be great to get a two-way player with shot creation skills but those guys cost a ton of money / trade assets. We do not have much of either of those. We have the MLE.

Exactly. TP.

I think the issue is if Pritchard isn't capable of doing what Simons is doing, what is he here for? He's supposed to be our bench guard scorer. Now we apparently need two of them, both of whom aren't great on defense. I know they're not exactly the same player, but we have other needs on the roster as well.

This wouldn't be as big of a concern if White actually was shooting up to his potential and Pritchard didn't get overwhelmed by the tougher defenses in the playoffs. Shooting is supposed to be one of their specialties, and now we're saying we also need a third guard for whom shooting is his primary skill.

I do like Simons and if you can get him for a bargain, go for it. It would have to be cheap enough so it could be moved if necessary, however, because I think if we're trying to go where we need to go, we eventually do need more heft at the position.

I guess what I'm saying is more shooting is nice, but I thought the big picture goal after the disappointing playoff result was 1) more rim pressure on offense so we're not so 3 reliant and 2) upping our overall size, athleticism, and physicality on the team. Even if there's no clearcut alternative two-way guy out there, is there an opportunity cost to signing Simons and playing him the minutes he expects over some other player (Ron Harper Jr.!). Or, maybe a drafted player since this is a guard-heavy draft. It would be nice to get a long-term guard for the future to eventually replace White or Pritchard in the next few years (or even now if White is on the trade block).

The goal would be to keep Pritchard in the starting lineup thus creating a need for a bench guard.

I'd like to have another ball-handler and ball mover in that starting lineup to help the Jays. I like having two ball-handling guards next to them to help facilitate the offense. Rather than a wing player (SG/SF) as the 5th starter who doesn't handle the ball or pass the ball well and puts more pressure on the Jays.

I also like having a dynamic shooter / shot maker alongside them to provide true spacing ... versus a spot up shooter like Hauser / Baylor or non shooters like J Walsh / Hugo. Pritchard can not only shoot spot ups but also off the dribble. He opens up the offense.

If Pritchard is in the starting lineup, I don?t think that is a championship caliber team. Imagine him trying to cover SGA/Williams or Fox/Castle. He would get eaten alive. Pritchard should be coming off the bench.
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