Beal Out for Year

[Who]

Lowe was throwing out there the Clips trading for AD.

Kawhi for AD

Mavs

G: Kyrie
G: Klay / Max Christie
F: Kawhi
F: Cooper Flagg
C: D Lively

Open up the floor for Cooper Flagg. Still have a strong defense in the frontcourt. Two legit go-to scorers who can get 25ppg. Cooper Flagg as a versatile 3rd star while he develops.

LAC

G: K Dunn
G: J Harden
F: Derrick Jones Jr
F: AD
C: Zubac

Yikes, that small forward spot is dodgy. You would like to have a shooter in there with a double big lineup and K Dunn at guard. Nic Batum = old man. Bogdanovic = old & slow. You could play Harden at SF but I am not sure the guard depth is any better. A youngster in Cameron Christie. An old man in CP3.

Maybe trade for AD. Play him at center. And trade Zubac for a SF. Start John Collins at PF. Collins can work at PF next to AD better than Zubac. Derrick Jones Jr and Batum are solid bench forwards. That could work well.

[Moranis]

all that comes to mind is the number of people here who were screaming to trade JB for Beal back a few years ago.

that one never made sense to me and I obviously have proposed trading Brown a lot.

[Moranis]

Davis to the Clippers makes a lot of sense for Clippers, not much the Mavs would want though.  Likely need a 3rd team to take Zubac and provide draft picks/young players to Dallas.  Even then the Clippers can only trade 1 future 1st, Also I don't really see a path to Davis for them.

[slamtheking]

Stick a fork in the Clips.

The Kawhi Leonard era has been a colossal failure.

yup.  franchise has gone nowhere since signing Kawhi.  what a waste of a lot of money by that franchise

[keevsnick]

Thunder have the right to swap first rounders with the clippers this year.

Imagine them adding a top end lottery talent to that team.

[Moranis]

Thunder have the right to swap first rounders with the clippers this year.

Imagine them adding a top end lottery talent to that team.

Right because the Thunder traded away all nba caliber players to rebuild as they weren't going to win a title with that group. Hard decision, had a couple years of pain, and now are reaping immense rewards.

[Who]

Terrence Mann would have been valuable for the LA Clippers righ about now if they had not of traded him away for Bogdanovic late last season. An athletic defensively able wing. Can play all 3 perimeter positions.

Just look how old and slow their bench perimeter guys are = CP3, Bogdanovic, Nic Batum.

Those 2 trades. The T-Mann trade + Norm Powell trade are coming back to haunt LAC.

[slamtheking]

Thunder have the right to swap first rounders with the clippers this year.

Imagine them adding a top end lottery talent to that team.

Right because the Thunder traded away all nba caliber players to rebuild as they weren't going to win a title with that group. Hard decision, had a couple years of pain, and now are reaping immense rewards.

and that they lucked out that SGA developed into a top-5 MVP player and that when they made their trades teams were dumb enough to give up as many picks as they did with little to no protections. If SGA was just an all-star guard I don't think they'd be as dominant since the other players are good but not all-stars (yet)

Teams are still giving up that kind of bounty for lesser players (Bane and Bridges deals are good examples) but the number of teams that can give up that many assets is dwindling both from lack of assets and from some not being foolish enough to make that same mistake

trading away all NBA talent for youth and picks isn't an automatic ticket back to the top of the heap

[Redz]

Thunder have the right to swap first rounders with the clippers this year.

Imagine them adding a top end lottery talent to that team.

Right because the Thunder traded away all nba caliber players to rebuild as they weren't going to win a title with that group. Hard decision, had a couple years of pain, and now are reaping immense rewards.

and that they lucked out that SGA developed into a top-5 MVP player and that when they made their trades teams were dumb enough to give up as many picks as they did with little to no protections. If SGA was just an all-star guard I don't think they'd be as dominant since the other players are good but not all-stars (yet)

Teams are still giving up that kind of bounty for lesser players (Bane and Bridges deals are good examples) but the number of teams that can give up that many assets is dwindling both from lack of assets and from some not being foolish enough to make that same mistake

trading away all NBA talent for youth and picks isn't an automatic ticket back to the top of the heap

Definitely, no guarantee, but what makes OKC so tough is the depth of guys they did hit on.  Just look at what they're doing without Williams.  Wiggins stepped up and now he's out and others stepping in and stepping up and they're still dominating.

[A Future of Stevens]

Thunder have the right to swap first rounders with the clippers this year.

Imagine them adding a top end lottery talent to that team.

Right because the Thunder traded away all nba caliber players to rebuild as they weren't going to win a title with that group. Hard decision, had a couple years of pain, and now are reaping immense rewards.

Fair enough. What would you want to see them get back for Brown? I know the true value would be bottoming out while Tatum is out and hoping for the Lottery gods to be kind.

[Moranis]

Obviously SGA exceeded expectations but he was at the time considered a high level prospect in the same general range as Tatum was (trade was 2019).  They also got Gallinari, a 2021 1st (18 - Tre Mann), a 2022 1st (12 - Jalen Williams), a 2023 1st (18 - Jamie Jaquez), a 2023 swap (not exercised), a 2024 1st (26 - Dillon Jones), a 2025 swap (moved up 6 spots and took 24 - Nique Clifford), and a 2026 1st.

That was the George trade.  A week later they traded Westbrook for Chris Paul, a 2021 swap (not exercised), a 2024 1st (12 - Nikola Topic), a 2025 swap with protections (carried over), a 2026 1st top 4 or else 2nd.

They kept Gallinari and Paul for a season and ended up sign and trading Gallinari for a 2nd rounder, but traded Paul and Abdel Nader for another 1st (2022 - 30 - Peyton Watson), Rubio, Oubre, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque. 

So they traded 2 All NBA players and completely remade their team and won a title 6 years later and now have a very young core that could win multiple titles.  Probably couldn't have worked out much better but when you make bold moves, they do sometimes work out.

[Moranis]

Thunder have the right to swap first rounders with the clippers this year.

Imagine them adding a top end lottery talent to that team.

Right because the Thunder traded away all nba caliber players to rebuild as they weren't going to win a title with that group. Hard decision, had a couple years of pain, and now are reaping immense rewards.

Fair enough. What would you want to see them get back for Brown? I know the true value would be bottoming out while Tatum is out and hoping for the Lottery gods to be kind.

several workable trades have been proposed.  Atlanta, Houston, and San Antonio all make a lot of sense for Brown and can provide sufficient value though different types of trades.  As an example, Atlanta could be something like Jalen Johnson, Zaccharie Risacher, and a futiree 1st.  That makes sense for both teams. Daniels and Okongwu are also options from Hawks. 

White would have a good market as well though not the value of Brown.

[mobilija]

Obviously SGA exceeded expectations but he was at the time considered a high level prospect in the same general range as Tatum was (trade was 2019).  They also got Gallinari, a 2021 1st (18 - Tre Mann), a 2022 1st (12 - Jalen Williams), a 2023 1st (18 - Jamie Jaquez), a 2023 swap (not exercised), a 2024 1st (26 - Dillon Jones), a 2025 swap (moved up 6 spots and took 24 - Nique Clifford), and a 2026 1st.

That was the George trade.  A week later they traded Westbrook for Chris Paul, a 2021 swap (not exercised), a 2024 1st (12 - Nikola Topic), a 2025 swap with protections (carried over), a 2026 1st top 4 or else 2nd.

They kept Gallinari and Paul for a season and ended up sign and trading Gallinari for a 2nd rounder, but traded Paul and Abdel Nader for another 1st (2022 - 30 - Peyton Watson), Rubio, Oubre, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque. 

So they traded 2 All NBA players and completely remade their team and won a title 6 years later and now have a very young core that could win multiple titles.  Probably couldn't have worked out much better but when you make bold moves, they do sometimes work out.

None of these comparisons are ever apples to apples but you are talking about the OKC team that lost in the first round 3 or 4 years straight. That team was going nowhere with George and needed a reset. That?s an easy ?bold? move to make compared to a team that went to 2 of the last 4 finals winning one of them, whose core consistently made it to the conference finals.

[keevsnick]

Thunder have the right to swap first rounders with the clippers this year.

Imagine them adding a top end lottery talent to that team.

Right because the Thunder traded away all nba caliber players to rebuild as they weren't going to win a title with that group. Hard decision, had a couple years of pain, and now are reaping immense rewards.

So your argument is the Celtics should trade Brown, Tatum and White and go full rebuild? Because that's what OKC did. I'm not against that path if that's what they want to do.

But what we've been talking about is whether trading Brown or White gets a Tatum led team bad to a title faster than keeping Brown/White, which isn't really comparable to the OKC situation at all.

More to the point its fine to look at trading Paul George for SGA and say "The Celtics should do that with Brown!" The problem is the guy you trade Brown for might not end up being SGA, in fact in all likelihood he tops out much lower. You can't just assume the best case scenario.

[Who]

More to the point its fine to look at trading Paul George for SGA and say "The Celtics should do that with Brown!" The problem is the guy you trade Brown for might not end up being SGA, in fact in all likelihood he tops out much lower. You can't just assume the best case scenario.

This is my problem with this approach. They maxed out on SGA. He has become a perennial MVP candidate. The odds of replicating that are minimal.