Shams: Jrue Holiday Traded to Blazers For Simons & Two Second Rounders

[Kernewek]

I understand it, but I hate to see Jrue gone. He was a guy I'd wanted on the Cs for quite a while, and he was a big addition when he finally got here.

Agreed. Glad he was able to turn back the clock for one season and help us get the one ring.

[Yuckabuck33]

The recent Shams tweet makes me think the C's will also trade both Hauser AND Porzingis

Who knows at this point?   Brad seems to pull rabbits out of his hat over and over again.

If trading Sam and KP can get us a really good starting big that is more reliable than KP and also has a high ceiling, please make it happen.

The tell tale quote from Brad came in his end of season press conference when he commented on how the refs allowed a lot more physical play than he expected. That quote alone tells me they're moving both Porzingis and Hauser as neither one likes a physical game.

I would be shocked if either is still with the Celtics on opening night.

Did Brad say anything about moving away from shooting threes? How does wanting a more physical team automatically mean that Brad will trade 2 of his best three point shooters?

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I understand it, but I hate to see Jrue gone. He was a guy I'd wanted on the Cs for quite a while, and he was a big addition when he finally got here.

Agreed. Glad he was able to turn back the clock for one season and help us get the one ring.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[mef730]

The recent Shams tweet makes me think the C's will also trade both Hauser AND Porzingis

Who knows at this point?   Brad seems to pull rabbits out of his hat over and over again.

If trading Sam and KP can get us a really good starting big that is more reliable than KP and also has a high ceiling, please make it happen.

The tell tale quote from Brad came in his end of season press conference when he commented on how the refs allowed a lot more physical play than he expected. That quote alone tells me they're moving both Porzingis and Hauser as neither one likes a physical game.

I would be shocked if either is still with the Celtics on opening night.

I think Hauser is as good as gone.

I'm not so certain on Porzingis anymore. Send Simmons elsewhere to take back a lower salary. Combine that with Hauser to get us under the second apron (We're what, $17 or $18m over?). Hold onto KP as our starting center and hope that he has a good enough first half of the year that he is valuable as an expiring contract at the deadline. Worst case scenario, let him go at the end of the season.

[celticsclay]

I know it had to happen but sad to see Jrue go.  He's a class act and my favorite player on the team. 

I can't see Simons sticking around.  He's not a championship caliber player but Celts won't be competing for a championship next season.  Hopefully he looks good stat padding and he can be moved for some value by the trade deadline.

i feel like it is hard to see his value changing that much at this point given he has average between like 20-22 on a bad/mediocre team the last 3 years already.

[Surferdad]

The recent Shams tweet makes me think the C's will also trade both Hauser AND Porzingis

Who knows at this point?   Brad seems to pull rabbits out of his hat over and over again.

If trading Sam and KP can get us a really good starting big that is more reliable than KP and also has a high ceiling, please make it happen.

The tell tale quote from Brad came in his end of season press conference when he commented on how the refs allowed a lot more physical play than he expected. That quote alone tells me they're moving both Porzingis and Hauser as neither one likes a physical game.

I would be shocked if either is still with the Celtics on opening night.

I think Hauser is as good as gone.

I'm not so certain on Porzingis anymore. Send Simmons elsewhere to take back a lower salary. Combine that with Hauser to get us under the second apron (We're what, $17 or $18m over?). Hold onto KP as our starting center and hope that he has a good enough first half of the year that he is valuable as an expiring contract at the deadline. Worst case scenario, let him go at the end of the season.

Agree that keeping KP is now more realistic. The other factor not yet mentioned in this thread is that Payton Pritchard should not be competing for minutes with Simons. Both are small guards with some defensive liabilities. I see the team committed to PP so flip Simons/Hauser for a big. I would also play Baylor Scheierman more, especially until JT comes back.

[No Nickname]

The recent Shams tweet makes me think the C's will also trade both Hauser AND Porzingis

Who knows at this point?   Brad seems to pull rabbits out of his hat over and over again.

If trading Sam and KP can get us a really good starting big that is more reliable than KP and also has a high ceiling, please make it happen.

The tell tale quote from Brad came in his end of season press conference when he commented on how the refs allowed a lot more physical play than he expected. That quote alone tells me they're moving both Porzingis and Hauser as neither one likes a physical game.

I would be shocked if either is still with the Celtics on opening night.

I think Hauser is as good as gone.

I'm not so certain on Porzingis anymore. Send Simmons elsewhere to take back a lower salary. Combine that with Hauser to get us under the second apron (We're what, $17 or $18m over?). Hold onto KP as our starting center and hope that he has a good enough first half of the year that he is valuable as an expiring contract at the deadline. Worst case scenario, let him go at the end of the season.

Agree that keeping KP is now more realistic. The other factor not yet mentioned in this thread is that Payton Pritchard should not be competing for minutes with Simons. Both are small guards with some defensive liabilities. I see the team committed to PP so flip Simons/Hauser for a big. I would also play Baylor Scheierman more, especially until JT comes back.

I'm in line with both of you guys' thinking.  This makes the most sense.

Brad won't want to dump KP with his value as low as it is right now.  He'll want him to recover and show how good he was with JB in the pick-and-roll.

[jpotter33]

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/celtics-trade-up-2025-nba-draft/

Per Bulpett, Jrue is not happy that he was traded to Portland.

I mean, I get it, but surely when he got that contract that was part of the understanding that he was very likely to be moved in a year or two. Not sure what he expects.

[Goldstar88]

On the court, Simons is an interesting fit in Boston. This trade is a major defensive downgrade for the Celtics, who excelled by giving opponents no weak links to attack in their starting five. The 6-foot-3 Simons has historically been rated as one of the league's worst defenders in terms of plus-minus impact, adjusted for teammates, opponents and shooting luck.

Even last season, when the Blazers dramatically improved defensively and ranked just ahead of Boston at third in points allowed per 100 possessions over the second half of the season, Simons rated near the bottom of the league in luck-adjusted defensive RAPM (regularized adjusted plus-minus) from BBall-Index.com. Simons' estimated impact of 2.0 points per 100 possessions is worse than that of an average defender ranked in the bottom 20. No Celtics player was in the bottom 170.

[tazzmaniac]

On the court, Simons is an interesting fit in Boston. This trade is a major defensive downgrade for the Celtics, who excelled by giving opponents no weak links to attack in their starting five. The 6-foot-3 Simons has historically been rated as one of the league's worst defenders in terms of plus-minus impact, adjusted for teammates, opponents and shooting luck.

Even last season, when the Blazers dramatically improved defensively and ranked just ahead of Boston at third in points allowed per 100 possessions over the second half of the season, Simons rated near the bottom of the league in luck-adjusted defensive RAPM (regularized adjusted plus-minus) from BBall-Index.com. Simons' estimated impact of 2.0 points per 100 possessions is worse than that of an average defender ranked in the bottom 20. No Celtics player was in the bottom 170.

The Blazer's team +/- was -3.1 when Simons was on the court and -0.3 when he was off court.  Now Grant and Ayton were bad too.  But a bad defender, like Simons, is hard to deal with especially when in the playoffs.   

[Kernewek]

I understand it, but I hate to see Jrue gone. He was a guy I'd wanted on the Cs for quite a while, and he was a big addition when he finally got here.

Agreed. Glad he was able to turn back the clock for one season and help us get the one ring.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

A very intentional reference and very appreciated.

[Who]

I am disliking Anfernee Simons even more today than I did yesterday. Awkward bloody player to configure lineups around. A tweener guard who struggles at either spot.

Thank god for Derrick White and his ability to cover A Simons' flaws.

[slamtheking]

I am disliking Anfernee Simons even more today than I did yesterday. Awkward bloody player to configure lineups around. A tweener guard who struggles at either spot.

Thank god for Derrick White and his ability to cover A Simons' flaws.

I suspect Simons and Niang will be on the move before the season starts.  Simons for a cheaper serviceable big and Niang in another salary dump type of move that probably costs us a second rounder.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I am disliking Anfernee Simons even more today than I did yesterday. Awkward bloody player to configure lineups around. A tweener guard who struggles at either spot.

Thank god for Derrick White and his ability to cover A Simons' flaws.

I'm talking myself into him more. I'd kinda' like to see what he's got on a good team.

He's very, very good shooter. He can score at all three levels. He does have some shot creation.

Meanwhile, he's been on bad teams (partially his fault) for years now with bad shooting and defenders around him. He's young and has some upside left.

[Roy H.]

Even last season, when the Blazers dramatically improved defensively and ranked just ahead of Boston at third in points allowed per 100 possessions over the second half of the season, Simons rated near the bottom of the league in luck-adjusted defensive RAPM (regularized adjusted plus-minus) from BBall-Index.com. Simons' estimated impact of 2.0 points per 100 possessions is worse than that of an average defender ranked in the bottom 20. No Celtics player was in the bottom 170.[/b]

I'm going to interpret this to mean that a team can have a great defense, even with Simons as a core piece.