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« Reply #120 on: Today at 12:28:08 AM »

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Mavs extending both Kyrie (3yr/119M) and Gifford (3yr/60M).

Good deal for Kyrie and team. Took less money coming off a serious injury. Allows the team to keep high end talent around him as he finishes his career in Dallas. Nice.

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« Reply #121 on: Today at 01:09:46 AM »

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The top 9 is incredible = OKC, Dallas, Minny, Denver, Golden State, LA Lakers, LA Clippers, Houston, San Antonio.

It looks like the final play-in spot is going to be a fight between Memphis and Portland. Portland upgraded their team getting Jrue for A Simons. Memphis has some work to do to rebuild their supporting cast / depth particularly on the two wing positions. Portland might beat them to the spot. Especially if Morant has injury issues which he has had in recent years.

Bottom four teams = Sacramento, Phoenix, New Orleans, Utah in that order. Actually Zion might lift NOP over PHX.

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« Reply #122 on: Today at 01:19:27 AM »

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The East is hard to wrap my head around. Indy without Hali. Boston without Tatum. Milwaukee without Lillard. Philly have talent but major injury risks. Big variable in the East. It all went wrong from them last season but they shouldn't see a repeat of a season that goes that badly next year.

Cleveland look safe as #1 seed. From there it is hard to figure out order. A lot of teams look similar to one another.

NY and Philly have the most talent outside of Cleveland. NYK underachieved throughout last season and there is no good reason to expect otherwise next season. Still, they won 50 games. Philly underachieved primarily because of injuries which will continue to be an issue but to an unknown extent. They could be a 50 win team, a 45 win team, a 40 win team or worse. Wild card squad. 

Orlando are right there. They look like a 50 win team. They might be the safest bet along with NYK. Indy still have a good squad without Hali which is surprising to me. They could be a 45-48 win team without Hali. Boston could be here too if they keep Horford & Kornet or they could slip away to a play-in spot if they lose those guys.

Then you have Atlanta, Detroit, and Milwaukee. MIL will still be solid with Giannis there. A 44-46 win team. DET need a talent upgrade to move from 45-47 win team to a 50 win team. Hard to see where that talent upgrade comes from. Not high on them taking another big step forward. I expect them to stagnate. Atlanta should be in that 45-50 win territory.

Then you got Chicago and Toronto fighting out for the 10th spot / final play-in spot. I like Toronto's talent base better but they are underachieve with S Barnes as their franchise guy and I expect that to continue. I'd give Chicago the edge here.

Rounding out the lotto teams. Miami are next in line. Then Charlotte, Brooklyn, Washington as 3 of the 4 worst teams in the league.

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« Reply #123 on: Today at 02:32:27 AM »

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I love the Hawks starting lineup

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I love the Hawks starting lineup

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Dang, the first overall pick in 2024 coming off the bench.
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« Reply #125 on: Today at 09:59:41 AM »

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« Reply #126 on: Today at 12:18:31 PM »

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NY and Philly have the most talent outside of Cleveland. NYK underachieved throughout last season and there is no good reason to expect otherwise next season. Still, they won 50 games. Philly underachieved primarily because of injuries which will continue to be an issue but to an unknown extent. They could be a 50 win team, a 45 win team, a 40 win team or worse. Wild card squad. 

Embiid is as bad, if not worse than, Porzingas in terms of reliability.  So I see Philly more as a paper tiger and I do not fear George.   

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« Reply #127 on: Today at 12:31:26 PM »

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The top 9 is incredible = OKC, Dallas, Minny, Denver, Golden State, LA Lakers, LA Clippers, Houston, San Antonio.

It looks like the final play-in spot is going to be a fight between Memphis and Portland. Portland upgraded their team getting Jrue for A Simons. Memphis has some work to do to rebuild their supporting cast / depth particularly on the two wing positions. Portland might beat them to the spot. Especially if Morant has injury issues which he has had in recent years.

Bottom four teams = Sacramento, Phoenix, New Orleans, Utah in that order. Actually Zion might lift NOP over PHX.
The Clippers seem like a team that if they all stay healthy could contend with OKC for the 1st seed, but there is also a real chance, they fall way off the health train and miss the play in.  I know Harden has been pretty dang healthy, but he will be 36 when the season starts and he has a ton of wear on his body.  Kawhi is a walking injury waiting to happen, especially after a pretty solid health year last year.  Zubac has never really been hurt and is in his prime, but he has also seen an immense uptick in minutes the last couple of years.  Hopefully his body can take it, but a big guy with way more minutes recently scares a bit from a health standpoint.  Derrick Jones and Ben Simmons are the only other regular rotation players not in their 30's.  I really don't know what to expect from the Clippers next year. 

I wouldn't just count Dallas that high either.  Kyrie is out and Davis is always injured.  And while Flagg is uber-talented, he is also a rookie and those guys (even top picks) rarely have impactful rookie seasons.  Even many of the best high picks (like Durant or even Wemby) don't really alter winning much.  If Davis can stay healthy and Flagg is more the exception, then they have a real chance to be great when Irving makes it back, but those are big ifs.

The Warriors are old an as we saw against the Wolves, they are still so reliant on Curry.  If he misses significant time or starts to slip, then I think they could be a more 40 win type team. 

The Lakers are an interesting team.  On any given night Lebron can still be awesome, but the frequency of that is definitely diminishing and Luka isn't exactly a picture of health.  They still don't have a good defense or any real talented big men.  They should be a clear playoff team, but are they a team that can compete with OKC or even Denver, that is hard to predict.

Houston has to integrate a very old - oft injured player into their team.  I think they can do it, but I don't know that they will do it well.

San Antonio is very young and obviously has injury concerns from its 2 best players as both Wemby and Fox missed the end of last year and they were terrible.  They obviously are adding another great young talent, but as with Flagg, I'm not sure how much impact Harper is going to have.  Now if they trade Harper for someone like Brown, that all changes, but if they hold firm, I don't know how great they will be.  Certainly better than last year, but that isn't saying much.

So I agree on paper the west looks amazingly deep, but I have real questions about many of those teams, and it might just look like the OKC show all season long.
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« Reply #128 on: Today at 12:52:17 PM »

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« Reply #129 on: Today at 12:54:43 PM »

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Raptors reportedly offered a package including their #9 pick for Derrick White

Smart offer by Toronto. D White would be great for them. A top 10 pick is a good main piece for a rebuilding move.

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« Reply #130 on: Today at 12:56:20 PM »

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Raptors reportedly offered a package including their #9 pick for Derrick White
wonder what players or just 9th pick?
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
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If you trade White then you probably keep Brown and just start over with him and JT in 2026.

But if you move White then I would personally just move Brown also. Start over in 2026 with JT as the tip of the spear.

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If Cooper Flagg is a superstar, the financial path forward is wild.

Rookie Contract
2025-2028: $62.7M

30% Supermax Extension
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35% Supermax Extension
2034-2038: $509M

Total: $930M, and Flagg will be 31-years-old!

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Raptors reportedly offered a package including their #9 pick for Derrick White

I would need way more than that if im trading White.

Let?s start with Barrett, Dick, 9th pick, and a future 1st.

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That 9 pick is nice but you better add some players to it. Trading white would signal a full rebuild.