Offseason Thread

[Moranis]

Phoenix a lottery team if it does that KD- Spurs trade

They were a lottery team this year with Dirant

[Moranis]

Suns have plenty of players I'd move Porzingis for. So if they delete enough below the 2nd apron to be able to aggregate, I'd do Allen and O'Neale for Zinger.  Might even throw in 32.  Other options as well, but that would make sense.  Suns would need to drop at least 14.6 million in the Durant trade to do that though.

I don't see a player on the Suns roster that I confidently believe could be part of our next championship team and that we could trade for. I guess I kinda' like both Micic' and Dunn, but they are both fairly unproven still.

Allen would be 31 and Oneal 34 by the time Tatum is fully healthy. I guess as trade pieces they could be fine, but I don't believe either player can be part of a championship rotation.

Still, it is nice to hear that Zinger is being looked at some.

They aren't, but if Boston is going to keep Brown, White, and Tatum those 2 guys would be excellent complimentary pieces over the next couple of seasons.  Getting Dunn with them would be nice and does work (though saves almost no salary for C's).  You could swap Micic for O'Neal and it works though he is cheaper so Phoenix would have to shave even more.

We'd be better off keeping KP.

so he can play in 50% of the regular season games, miss the majority of the playoff games, and then likely leave in free agency next summer.

Yes.  I'd rather have a game-changer of a player with availability issues over mediocre end of rotation players.

I agree with this.  I know Tatum makes the C's a championship level team but the core of JB, KP and DWhite is nothing to sneeze at.  I'd rather have KP then any player Phoneix can offer.

I get the concern with durability with Porzingis but if not for a mysterious virus this past season, they had managed his minutes well and he was structurally sound to play in the playoffs.  I think they can manage him minutes to increase the odds of having him for a playoff run.  No sense in just dumping Porzingis.

And as to his pending free agency, I think BOS will have every opportunity to sign him to a team friendly deal, probably even extend him before it even gets to that point.  With the new rules, very few teams have the ability to offer big contracts and those that do, won't be offering them to Porzingis.

he played in 42 games in the regular season.  He hasn't played more than 65 since his rookie year.  He has basically missed as many playoff games as he has played in his career.  This year Boston was 30-12 with him and 31-9 without him. He has BY FAR the worst +- and on/off differential of the top 9 players on the team. 

When he plays, he is an excellent scorer and rim protector, but the injuries are starting to take a toll on his shot blocking, conditioning, speed, etc.  The Zinger may very well be the oldest 29 year old in the sport given the wear on his body and guys his size rarely perform well in their 30's. 

I have no issue with people not liking Grayson Allen, but he is younger, healthy, and a much better shooter in addition to being a lot cheaper. My issue is people thinking Zinger is a core type piece. He simply isn't that guy anymore. Too many missed games.  Too many ailments.  Not worth his contract.

All true but in 2023-24, he was +7.3 per game (in 57 games) right there with Tatum and White in terms of +/-.  We are probably not going to have Horford back for a season with no Tatum.  If we trade Porzingis for nothing, who are our bigs?  Kornet and Queta?  Tillman?

Porzingis has his issues but so do most bigs these days.  Look at Anthony Davis for example.  I don't know where you are going to find a productive, durable big to replace Porzingis moving forward.  A lot will depend on how he plays over the summer but assuming that he is over this virus thing, I hope they extend him on a team friendly deal (in the $15M per year range).  Manage his minutes and take what you can get from him.  Still a lot more than any realistic alternative that I can come up with.

in my blow it all up multiple trade idea post, I had Zinger getting traded to Detroit for Stewart, Fontecchio, and a lotto protected 26 1st.  Obviously that was 1 part of a multiple part plan and Zinger is the best player in the trade, but I liked what Stewart could provide as a 24mpg type player and I wanted to add a future 1st to give more tradable assets for future team building.

[tazzmaniac]

Suns have plenty of players I'd move Porzingis for. So if they delete enough below the 2nd apron to be able to aggregate, I'd do Allen and O'Neale for Zinger.  Might even throw in 32.  Other options as well, but that would make sense.  Suns would need to drop at least 14.6 million in the Durant trade to do that though.

I don't see a player on the Suns roster that I confidently believe could be part of our next championship team and that we could trade for. I guess I kinda' like both Micic' and Dunn, but they are both fairly unproven still.

Allen would be 31 and Oneal 34 by the time Tatum is fully healthy. I guess as trade pieces they could be fine, but I don't believe either player can be part of a championship rotation.

Still, it is nice to hear that Zinger is being looked at some.

They aren't, but if Boston is going to keep Brown, White, and Tatum those 2 guys would be excellent complimentary pieces over the next couple of seasons.  Getting Dunn with them would be nice and does work (though saves almost no salary for C's).  You could swap Micic for O'Neal and it works though he is cheaper so Phoenix would have to shave even more.

We'd be better off keeping KP.

so he can play in 50% of the regular season games, miss the majority of the playoff games, and then likely leave in free agency next summer.

Yes.  I'd rather have a game-changer of a player with availability issues over mediocre end of rotation players.

I agree with this.  I know Tatum makes the C's a championship level team but the core of JB, KP and DWhite is nothing to sneeze at.  I'd rather have KP then any player Phoneix can offer.

I get the concern with durability with Porzingis but if not for a mysterious virus this past season, they had managed his minutes well and he was structurally sound to play in the playoffs.  I think they can manage him minutes to increase the odds of having him for a playoff run.  No sense in just dumping Porzingis.

And as to his pending free agency, I think BOS will have every opportunity to sign him to a team friendly deal, probably even extend him before it even gets to that point.  With the new rules, very few teams have the ability to offer big contracts and those that do, won't be offering them to Porzingis.

he played in 42 games in the regular season.  He hasn't played more than 65 since his rookie year.  He has basically missed as many playoff games as he has played in his career.  This year Boston was 30-12 with him and 31-9 without him. He has BY FAR the worst +- and on/off differential of the top 9 players on the team. 

When he plays, he is an excellent scorer and rim protector, but the injuries are starting to take a toll on his shot blocking, conditioning, speed, etc.  The Zinger may very well be the oldest 29 year old in the sport given the wear on his body and guys his size rarely perform well in their 30's. 

I have no issue with people not liking Grayson Allen, but he is younger, healthy, and a much better shooter in addition to being a lot cheaper. My issue is people thinking Zinger is a core type piece. He simply isn't that guy anymore. Too many missed games.  Too many ailments.  Not worth his contract.

All true but in 2023-24, he was +7.3 per game (in 57 games) right there with Tatum and White in terms of +/-.  We are probably not going to have Horford back for a season with no Tatum.  If we trade Porzingis for nothing, who are our bigs?  Kornet and Queta?  Tillman?

Porzingis has his issues but so do most bigs these days.  Look at Anthony Davis for example.  I don't know where you are going to find a productive, durable big to replace Porzingis moving forward.  A lot will depend on how he plays over the summer but assuming that he is over this virus thing, I hope they extend him on a team friendly deal (in the $15M per year range).  Manage his minutes and take what you can get from him.  Still a lot more than any realistic alternative that I can come up with.

in my blow it all up multiple trade idea post, I had Zinger getting traded to Detroit for Stewart, Fontecchio, and a lotto protected 26 1st.  Obviously that was 1 part of a multiple part plan and Zinger is the best player in the trade, but I liked what Stewart could provide as a 24mpg type player and I wanted to add a future 1st to give more tradable assets for future team building.

Why would Detroit make that deal?  It is very unlikely that KP would re-sign with them. 

[Who]

Indiana has traded their #23 pick to New Orleans in return for Indiana's own 2026 1st round pick that New Orleans owned.

[Moranis]

Suns have plenty of players I'd move Porzingis for. So if they delete enough below the 2nd apron to be able to aggregate, I'd do Allen and O'Neale for Zinger.  Might even throw in 32.  Other options as well, but that would make sense.  Suns would need to drop at least 14.6 million in the Durant trade to do that though.

I don't see a player on the Suns roster that I confidently believe could be part of our next championship team and that we could trade for. I guess I kinda' like both Micic' and Dunn, but they are both fairly unproven still.

Allen would be 31 and Oneal 34 by the time Tatum is fully healthy. I guess as trade pieces they could be fine, but I don't believe either player can be part of a championship rotation.

Still, it is nice to hear that Zinger is being looked at some.

They aren't, but if Boston is going to keep Brown, White, and Tatum those 2 guys would be excellent complimentary pieces over the next couple of seasons.  Getting Dunn with them would be nice and does work (though saves almost no salary for C's).  You could swap Micic for O'Neal and it works though he is cheaper so Phoenix would have to shave even more.

We'd be better off keeping KP.

so he can play in 50% of the regular season games, miss the majority of the playoff games, and then likely leave in free agency next summer.

Yes.  I'd rather have a game-changer of a player with availability issues over mediocre end of rotation players.

I agree with this.  I know Tatum makes the C's a championship level team but the core of JB, KP and DWhite is nothing to sneeze at.  I'd rather have KP then any player Phoneix can offer.

I get the concern with durability with Porzingis but if not for a mysterious virus this past season, they had managed his minutes well and he was structurally sound to play in the playoffs.  I think they can manage him minutes to increase the odds of having him for a playoff run.  No sense in just dumping Porzingis.

And as to his pending free agency, I think BOS will have every opportunity to sign him to a team friendly deal, probably even extend him before it even gets to that point.  With the new rules, very few teams have the ability to offer big contracts and those that do, won't be offering them to Porzingis.

he played in 42 games in the regular season.  He hasn't played more than 65 since his rookie year.  He has basically missed as many playoff games as he has played in his career.  This year Boston was 30-12 with him and 31-9 without him. He has BY FAR the worst +- and on/off differential of the top 9 players on the team. 

When he plays, he is an excellent scorer and rim protector, but the injuries are starting to take a toll on his shot blocking, conditioning, speed, etc.  The Zinger may very well be the oldest 29 year old in the sport given the wear on his body and guys his size rarely perform well in their 30's. 

I have no issue with people not liking Grayson Allen, but he is younger, healthy, and a much better shooter in addition to being a lot cheaper. My issue is people thinking Zinger is a core type piece. He simply isn't that guy anymore. Too many missed games.  Too many ailments.  Not worth his contract.

All true but in 2023-24, he was +7.3 per game (in 57 games) right there with Tatum and White in terms of +/-.  We are probably not going to have Horford back for a season with no Tatum.  If we trade Porzingis for nothing, who are our bigs?  Kornet and Queta?  Tillman?

Porzingis has his issues but so do most bigs these days.  Look at Anthony Davis for example.  I don't know where you are going to find a productive, durable big to replace Porzingis moving forward.  A lot will depend on how he plays over the summer but assuming that he is over this virus thing, I hope they extend him on a team friendly deal (in the $15M per year range).  Manage his minutes and take what you can get from him.  Still a lot more than any realistic alternative that I can come up with.

in my blow it all up multiple trade idea post, I had Zinger getting traded to Detroit for Stewart, Fontecchio, and a lotto protected 26 1st.  Obviously that was 1 part of a multiple part plan and Zinger is the best player in the trade, but I liked what Stewart could provide as a 24mpg type player and I wanted to add a future 1st to give more tradable assets for future team building.

Why would Detroit make that deal?  It is very unlikely that KP would re-sign with them.

upgrade to starting lineup in a wide open conference. They can offer him more money than anyone else so he may re-sign there.

[slightly biased bias fan]

The Lakers have been showing interest in Nic Claxton, Robert Williams III, and Walker Kessler on the trade market, while also monitoring Brook Lopez and Clint Capela as potential backups to whoever they acquire as their starting center.
 

Sources close to the team reiterated that the internal plan is to trade for their starting center, sources say they've held conversations with other teams about Nic Claxton, Robert Williams, Walker Kessler and others, then, ideally, use the taxpayer midlevel on his backup, Brook Lopez and Clint Capela are the two names most often linked to the Lakers. It's a solid plan that they're considered likely to be able to execute.

Anthony Irwin (Lakers Insider)

[Moranis]

The Lakers have been showing interest in Nic Claxton, Robert Williams III, and Walker Kessler on the trade market, while also monitoring Brook Lopez and Clint Capela as potential backups to whoever they acquire as their starting center.
 

Sources close to the team reiterated that the internal plan is to trade for their starting center, sources say they've held conversations with other teams about Nic Claxton, Robert Williams, Walker Kessler and others, then, ideally, use the taxpayer midlevel on his backup, Brook Lopez and Clint Capela are the two names most often linked to the Lakers. It's a solid plan that they're considered likely to be able to execute.

Anthony Irwin (Lakers Insider)

Of those players, Claxton would be a pretty solid fit there.  Not sure the others work all that well with Doncic.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

https://youtu.be/DfIPOIi3zoQ?si=TVZeGAXp6gyXT1sT&t=308

Shams reporting that the Spurs are stocking assets for a player that better fits their timeline.

Hmmm.

[Moranis]

Jaylen Brown to any of the 3 Texas teams makes sense for all 3 of them and they all have assets potentially available to trade (though I don't think Dallas is moving Flagg).  But Boston has to reach the conclusion that the run is over with this core and rebuild for that sort of trade to happen.

Brown for Johnson, Vassell, 2, 14

Trade seems like a solid trade for both teams. 

Boston gets 2 solid youngish wings, a stud at 2, and a mid 1st to supplement team.  Move Jrue and KP to get out of aprons (and maybe tax), let Tatum sit all year, and tank for a high lottery pick.

San Antonio is nasty with Fox, Castle, Brown, Sochan, Wemby - Barnes, Champagnie, Branham, Wesley

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Jaylen Brown to any of the 3 Texas teams makes sense for all 3 of them and they all have assets potentially available to trade (though I don't think Dallas is moving Flagg).  But Boston has to reach the conclusion that the run is over with this core and rebuild for that sort of trade to happen.

Brown for Johnson, Vassell, 2, 14

Trade seems like a solid trade for both teams. 

Boston gets 2 solid youngish wings, a stud at 2, and a mid 1st to supplement team.  Move Jrue and KP to get out of aprons (and maybe tax), let Tatum sit all year, and tank for a high lottery pick.

San Antonio is nasty with Fox, Castle, Brown, Sochan, Wemby - Barnes, Champagnie, Branham, Wesley

I've been saying that this trade makes a lot of sense for both teams. It makes more sense to give that much value up for Brown than for Durant right now. They also keep all their future draft picks, including some of those juicy Hawks picks.

They could even upgrade the Barnes/Sochan starting spot with those draft picks (Aaron Gordon?) I do think they need another big that can play Center by himself or next to Wemby.

[Who]

They could even upgrade the Barnes/Sochan starting spot with those draft picks (Aaron Gordon?) I do think they need another big that can play Center by himself or next to Wemby.

A few suggestions

* Jalen Johnson from Atlanta
* John Collins as a buy low candidate from Utah
* Jabari Smith Jr = doesn't get enough credit for being a solid two way player. An above average defender & rebounder and a solid offensive threat.

* Naz Reid
* Santi Aldama

Both of those guys are free agents I believe. Although likely out of Spurs range and would require a sign and trade to get done. I like the idea of either one of these guys stepping up to a starting PF alongside Wemby. Both big long PFs. Can play C. Aldama can even play a little SF. Both perimeter threats and can put the ball on the floor and drive.

[Ilikesports17]

Everyone seems pretty on board with the idea that Boston should keep Jaylen Brown unless they get an offer that blows them away.

If the Spurs offer #2 in this draft that would blow me away.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Everyone seems pretty on board with the idea that Boston should keep Jaylen Brown unless they get an offer that blows them away.

If the Spurs offer #2 in this draft that would blow me away.

2 + Castle blows me away. 2 by itself is not enough for me.

Maybe 2 + future Hawks picks + our picks back

[DefenseWinsChamps]

How about this one?

Suns receive Trae Young, 10th pick, Smith Jr.,
Rockets receive Durant
Hawks receive Sheppard, Green, Allen

Rockets keep a core of Durant-FVV-Sengun-Brooks-Thompson with Adams and Eason off the bench. They are in the 2nd apron this year unless they move off of Landale's contract.

Suns receive a true star offensive player to pair with and make life easier for Booker. Their team was at their best when Booker was not the primary ball-handler. They move to that again. Their core is Booker-Young-Oneal-Martin-Smith Jr. with Beal-Richards-Dunn. They need a center, but that team could be pretty exciting offensively.

Hawks reset, getting an exciting young offensive scorer and a good guard prospect. Their core is Green-Daniels-Risachar-Johnson-Okongwu with Sheppard-Mann off the bench. That's a lot of rangy, athletic players to put on the court together.

[Moranis]

How about this one?

Suns receive Trae Young, 10th pick, Smith Jr.,
Rockets receive Durant
Hawks receive Sheppard, Green, Allen

Rockets keep a core of Durant-FVV-Sengun-Brooks-Thompson with Adams and Eason off the bench. They are in the 2nd apron this year unless they move off of Landale's contract.

Suns receive a true star offensive player to pair with and make life easier for Booker. Their team was at their best when Booker was not the primary ball-handler. They move to that again. Their core is Booker-Young-Oneal-Martin-Smith Jr. with Beal-Richards-Dunn. They need a center, but that team could be pretty exciting offensively.

Hawks reset, getting an exciting young offensive scorer and a good guard prospect. Their core is Green-Daniels-Risachar-Johnson-Okongwu with Sheppard-Mann off the bench. That's a lot of rangy, athletic players to put on the court together.

Why would Houston trade all of that for Durant?