Big trade to get under luxury tax

[tazzmaniac]

I initially started this as 2-team trade around JB for Bane.  I then expanded it to see about getting under the 2nd apron and eventually the luxury tax.  Not sure about the picks that should be involved.   

Celtics in -  Bane, Derick Jones Jr, Jay Huff, 2nd rounders (x3)
Celtics out -  JB, Jrue, Hauser
Notes -  Bane is good return for JB considering his better contract and he'd be a very good fit offensively.  Huff is a solid backup C on a very cheap contract. Jones is decent filler.  The main return is the nearly 49M cap reduction to get 6.6M below the tax line.  12 players on contract and the 6.6M would cover the 2 draft picks.  Could adjust the trade to send Jones to the Nets and keep Konchar to get to 10.4M below the tax line which might allow Horford to re-sign. Could even send both Konchar and Jones to the Nets to get to 16.6M but that would certainly require another 1st. 

Grizzlies in - JB
Grizzlies out - Bane, Huff, John Konchar, protected 1st
Notes - The Grizzlies need to make a big move to advance in the playoffs.  Personally I'd trade for JB and then move Morant. 

Nets in - Konchar, Bogdan Bogdanovic, protected 1st (Memphis), 2nd rounder
Nets out - none
Notes - Bogdanovic's 2nd year is a team option so the Nets aren't eating that much salary.  They'd still have a ton of space to make more deals. 

Clippers in - Jrue
Clippers out - Jones, Bogdanovic, 2nd rounder (x2)
Notes - The Clippers are stuck being all in and have limited assets to improve.  Jrue would be a good addition to Leonard, Harden, Powell and Zubac.  Went with 2 2nd rounders but maybe could get a 1st pick swap or even a highly protected 1st. 

Mavericks in - Hauser
Mavericks out - 2nd rounder (x2)
Notes - I tacked Hauser onto this trade but he can be moved separately to a number of teams.  Picked Mavs but I'm guessing the highest bidder will give up a couple 2nds. 

Celtics roster would be:  Tatum, White, Bane, Porzingis, Pritchard, Huff, Jones, Scheierman, Tillman, Queta, Davison and Walsh with 3 open spots. 

I think this is a reasonable trade with some flexibility.  Thought it would be harder but now I expect there are quite a few other reasonable trades that would result in big cap reductions while leaving us with a good core to build around. And I didn't even try to do anything with Porzingis.   

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

all that is analysis paralysis.

let's just see what brad does.

[perks-a-beast]

Wouldnt even do it if those 2nd rounders were 1sts.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Yikes. The Celtics get taken to the toolshed here.

If it were only Brown for Huff, Bane, Jones, and a couple 2nds, I still wouldn't do that trade.

To trade two additional rotation pieces from a team that won the championship less than a year ago - that's brutal.

[Roy H.]

I think there are probably less painful ways to get under the tax.

The only way I trade JB is in a move for Giannis, after we get below the tax.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I think there are probably less painful ways to get under the tax.

The only way I trade JB is in a move for Giannis, after we get below the tax.

im good with that, make it happen.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I think there are probably less painful ways to get under the tax.

The only way I trade JB is in a move for Giannis, after we get below the tax.

im good with that, make it happen.

Interestingly, by my math, this trade is legal:

Celtics receive: Giannis
Bucks receive: Brown, Pritchard, Hauser, Scheierman, Tillman

This would get us under the 2nd apron to complete the trade. Filling out the roster would put us back in the 2nd apron. Obviously picks would be going out as well. I also figure that some of those players, or a Portis would be going to a third team.

Celtics have White-Holliday-Giannis-Zinger as their core until Tatum comes back. That's still a top 4 seed in the East.

Resign Al and Kornet to minimums. Nail this draft. Try to grab one more vet scoring guard that could help (Chris Paul? Luke Kennard? Tre Jones?).

Depending on how quickly Tatum can return to form, we could make a run next year. If not, for sure the year after.

If I were the Bucks, I'd prefer a trade built around a massive haul from Houston, but I don't think there is another team out there that can offer better value.

[ozgod]

all that is analysis paralysis.

let's just see what brad does.

What's the bet he does nothing 

[Kernewek]

all that is analysis paralysis.

let's just see what brad does.

What's the bet he does nothing 

I don't think that's likely given Tatum's injury, unfortunately - and I also think Tatum's injury makes the proposed team bad in a way that would reflect on the bottom line for gate receipts, merch, &c. for a sizeable amount of time, even if there's some increased flexibility in roster construction.

[tazzmaniac]

I think there are probably less painful ways to get under the tax.

The only way I trade JB is in a move for Giannis, after we get below the tax.

im good with that, make it happen.

Interestingly, by my math, this trade is legal:

Celtics receive: Giannis
Bucks receive: Brown, Pritchard, Hauser, Scheierman, Tillman

This would get us under the 2nd apron to complete the trade. Filling out the roster would put us back in the 2nd apron. Obviously picks would be going out as well. I also figure that some of those players, or a Portis would be going to a third team.

Celtics have White-Holliday-Giannis-Zinger as their core until Tatum comes back. That's still a top 4 seed in the East.

Resign Al and Kornet to minimums. Nail this draft. Try to grab one more vet scoring guard that could help (Chris Paul? Luke Kennard? Tre Jones?).

Depending on how quickly Tatum can return to form, we could make a run next year. If not, for sure the year after.

If I were the Bucks, I'd prefer a trade built around a massive haul from Houston, but I don't think there is another team out there that can offer better value.

Looks like the trade does work.  However I don't think being 1.2M below the 2nd apron with only 8 players on the roster counts as being under the 2nd apron.  Have to be at 14 players so those 6 open spots would be counted as minimum contracts, which I think are ~2M each, so we'd be 10M or so above the 2nd apron.  Don't see Al or Kornet signing for the the vet minimum.   And I think zero chance that ownership doesn't force Brad to at least get below the 2nd apron. 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I think there are probably less painful ways to get under the tax.

The only way I trade JB is in a move for Giannis, after we get below the tax.

im good with that, make it happen.

Interestingly, by my math, this trade is legal:

Celtics receive: Giannis
Bucks receive: Brown, Pritchard, Hauser, Scheierman, Tillman

This would get us under the 2nd apron to complete the trade. Filling out the roster would put us back in the 2nd apron. Obviously picks would be going out as well. I also figure that some of those players, or a Portis would be going to a third team.

Celtics have White-Holliday-Giannis-Zinger as their core until Tatum comes back. That's still a top 4 seed in the East.

Resign Al and Kornet to minimums. Nail this draft. Try to grab one more vet scoring guard that could help (Chris Paul? Luke Kennard? Tre Jones?).

Depending on how quickly Tatum can return to form, we could make a run next year. If not, for sure the year after.

If I were the Bucks, I'd prefer a trade built around a massive haul from Houston, but I don't think there is another team out there that can offer better value.

Looks like the trade does work.  However I don't think being 1.2M below the 2nd apron with only 8 players on the roster counts as being under the 2nd apron.  Have to be at 14 players so those 6 open spots would be counted as minimum contracts, which I think are ~2M each, so we'd be 10M or so above the 2nd apron.  Don't see Al or Kornet signing for the the vet minimum.   And I think zero chance that ownership doesn't force Brad to at least get below the 2nd apron.

This is a great question for cap people. I do know what you are saying and think you are right. I think you have to be at 12 contracts - so 4 slots would need to be accounted for.

But those slot requirements also don't count until training camp. Cap people may need to verify that those slots still count in the off-season.

[tazzmaniac]

Yikes. The Celtics get taken to the toolshed here.

If it were only Brown for Huff, Bane, Jones, and a couple 2nds, I still wouldn't do that trade.

To trade two additional rotation pieces from a team that won the championship less than a year ago - that's brutal.

Is anybody really going to be upset if Hauser gets traded because that is almost a certainty?  Replacing him with a minimum contract saves too much money and he's easy to move.  I'd say Huff on his excellent contact more than offsets losing Hauser.  Love Jrue but either he or KP is going to have to be moved to get under the 2nd apron.

My original trade was going to be JB for Bane, Konchar, Huff and a protected 1st.  I think that is good value for JB and it saves 10M.  Not sure Memphis would do it.  Bane is probably a better value than JB taking into account their contracts.   

[tazzmaniac]

I think there are probably less painful ways to get under the tax.

The only way I trade JB is in a move for Giannis, after we get below the tax.

If the ownership direction to Brad is to get below the tax line, it is going to be painful.  That's 40 to 45 million to save.  If Giannis is the only trade you'd make, you're clearly overvaluing JB.

[Larry for 3]

Yikes. The Celtics get taken to the toolshed here.

If it were only Brown for Huff, Bane, Jones, and a couple 2nds, I still wouldn't do that trade.

To trade two additional rotation pieces from a team that won the championship less than a year ago - that's brutal.

Is anybody really going to be upset if Hauser gets traded because that is almost a certainty?  Replacing him with a minimum contract saves too much money and he's easy to move.  I'd say Huff on his excellent contact more than offsets losing Hauser.  Love Jrue but either he or KP is going to have to be moved to get under the 2nd apron.

My original trade was going to be JB for Bane, Konchar, Huff and a protected 1st.  I think that is good value for JB and it saves 10M.  Not sure Memphis would do it.  Bane is probably a better value than JB taking into account their contracts.   

No way I?m doing that trade.  Brown for Bane and it?s only saving me 10 mil? That?s not worth it. You?re going nowhere with that. If I?m trading brown, I need a pick or picks that project to the top of draft so I can re start the next era of Celtics basketball- not a lateral move. Almost like the Brooklyn trade - 

[Larry for 3]

Yikes. The Celtics get taken to the toolshed here.

If it were only Brown for Huff, Bane, Jones, and a couple 2nds, I still wouldn't do that trade.

To trade two additional rotation pieces from a team that won the championship less than a year ago - that's brutal.

Is anybody really going to be upset if Hauser gets traded because that is almost a certainty?  Replacing him with a minimum contract saves too much money and he's easy to move.  I'd say Huff on his excellent contact more than offsets losing Hauser.  Love Jrue but either he or KP is going to have to be moved to get under the 2nd apron.

My original trade was going to be JB for Bane, Konchar, Huff and a protected 1st.  I think that is good value for JB and it saves 10M.  Not sure Memphis would do it.  Bane is probably a better value than JB taking into account their contracts.   

No way I?m doing that trade.  Brown for Bane and it?s only saving me 10 mil? That?s not worth it. You?re going nowhere with that. If I?m trading brown, I need a pick or picks that project to the top of draft so I can re start the next era of Celtics basketball- not a lateral move. Almost like the Brooklyn trade -

I?d call Dallas just to check in with Nico. You never know