Big trade to get under luxury tax

[tazzmaniac]

Yikes. The Celtics get taken to the toolshed here.

If it were only Brown for Huff, Bane, Jones, and a couple 2nds, I still wouldn't do that trade.

To trade two additional rotation pieces from a team that won the championship less than a year ago - that's brutal.

Is anybody really going to be upset if Hauser gets traded because that is almost a certainty?  Replacing him with a minimum contract saves too much money and he's easy to move.  I'd say Huff on his excellent contact more than offsets losing Hauser.  Love Jrue but either he or KP is going to have to be moved to get under the 2nd apron.

My original trade was going to be JB for Bane, Konchar, Huff and a protected 1st.  I think that is good value for JB and it saves 10M.  Not sure Memphis would do it.  Bane is probably a better value than JB taking into account their contracts.   

No way I?m doing that trade.  Brown for Bane and it?s only saving me 10 mil? That?s not worth it. You?re going nowhere with that. If I?m trading brown, I need a pick or picks that project to the top of draft so I can re start the next era of Celtics basketball- not a lateral move. Almost like the Brooklyn trade -

Would you do Jaylen for Cam Johnson and 5 1sts from Brooklyn? They have the picks and the deal would save $33M in cap space.

I understand that it's probably a hard no, but how funny would it be to fleece Brooklyn again?

Why would the Nets make that trade?  JB isn't worth anywhere close to Cam Johnson and 5 1sts.  Unless you're as stupid or desperate as the Knicks, you don't even consider giving up that many picks unless it is for a top 5 player in their prime.  Flipping JB for Cam doesn't even make the Nets playoffs contenders and they'd have lost most of their assets to make further acquisitions.  The Nets should use their unique asset this offseason of having a lot of cap space to acquire more picks for taking on salary. 

[jambr380]

Yikes. The Celtics get taken to the toolshed here.

If it were only Brown for Huff, Bane, Jones, and a couple 2nds, I still wouldn't do that trade.

To trade two additional rotation pieces from a team that won the championship less than a year ago - that's brutal.

Is anybody really going to be upset if Hauser gets traded because that is almost a certainty?  Replacing him with a minimum contract saves too much money and he's easy to move.  I'd say Huff on his excellent contact more than offsets losing Hauser.  Love Jrue but either he or KP is going to have to be moved to get under the 2nd apron.

My original trade was going to be JB for Bane, Konchar, Huff and a protected 1st.  I think that is good value for JB and it saves 10M.  Not sure Memphis would do it.  Bane is probably a better value than JB taking into account their contracts.   

No way I?m doing that trade.  Brown for Bane and it?s only saving me 10 mil? That?s not worth it. You?re going nowhere with that. If I?m trading brown, I need a pick or picks that project to the top of draft so I can re start the next era of Celtics basketball- not a lateral move. Almost like the Brooklyn trade -

Would you do Jaylen for Cam Johnson and 5 1sts from Brooklyn? They have the picks and the deal would save $33M in cap space.

I understand that it's probably a hard no, but how funny would it be to fleece Brooklyn again?

Why would the Nets make that trade?  JB isn't worth anywhere close to Cam Johnson and 5 1sts.  Unless you're as stupid or desperate as the Knicks, you don't even consider giving up that many picks unless it is for a top 5 player in their prime.  Flipping JB for Cam doesn't even make the Nets playoffs contenders and they'd have lost most of their assets to make further acquisitions.  The Nets should use their unique asset this offseason of having a lot of cap space to acquire more picks for taking on salary.

I am presenting the Bridges framework. JB is obviously much better than Mikal Bridges, so in this case the Nets are trading a non-foundational piece in Johnson and the picks they got in the Bridges deal for a an All-Star in his prime signed for 4 more years. BKN has nobody even remotely marketable on their team. This trade changes that in an instant. That is especially important in a city like NYC.

A team can only acquire so many meh picks. If they want to acquire a couple of late 1sts for taking on salary, more power to them, but they have an opportunity to actually get back a star (not just Jaylen) because they do have cap space to offer. Teams don't always want to tread water forever. And the picks they would be trading aren't even their own. They'd still have the ability to do more in the future.

[Phantom255x]

I'm still pushing for these trades

1. Hauser to Miami or Sacramento or anyone with a need for a cheaper 3-point specialist

2. Porzingis + 2 future first round picks for Kessler, Sexton and Sensabaugh

3. Jrue + 2nd round pick for Gafford + Hardy (involve BKN as a 3rd team to help facilitation)

1. I think trading Hauser to the highest bidder (picks, no one coming back or maybe a good player on a minimum contract) is a certainty.  Doesn't matter where he goes. 

2.  Who are you giving up the 2 future 1st for?  Financially this trade only saves 3M for next season.  Sensabaugh isn't worth a 1st.  I'm not interested in Sexton and wouldn't give up a 1st for him.  I'm not sure I'd give up a 1st for Kessler but more importantly I don't see how Kessler fits the team since he's not a 3pt shooter.  Does firing Joe and hiring a coach who will run a more balanced offense come with this trade?  I might take the hit for that. 

Even if I thought this was a good trade, both Sexton and Kessler are 1-year contracts.  They could leave after next season and you'll ended up trading 2 1sts for Sensabaugh and he could leave the following season.  And if they are desirable players it won't be cheap to re-sign them so the financials won't be improved.  I'm not against trading KP but I don't think this is the right deal.  Maybe if only 1 pick was involved and Sexton could be rerouted to the Nets without giving up no more than a 2nd.  That would save 23M and get us under the 2nd apron. 

3.  I'm assuming adding Brooklyn doesn't cost us anything.  Again Gafford isn't a 3pt shooter so how is he a good fit?  He's not even a full-time starter for the Mavs.  And finally he's on a 1yr contract so he could leave after next season; however I doubt he's going to be in great demand so probably could be re-signed for around the 14M he is currently making.  Hardy on a reasonable 3yr, 6M per year seems like an okay backup.  Not a bad deal but it would all come done to how much this would save financially.

Part of the logic with the Utah trade is, you fill out the roster even after losing KP/Jrue/Hauser, and you give up the extra first rounder to sweeten it for Utah to take back KP. Porzingis' trade value I don't think is gonna be that high, and it already sounds like there's more buzz for Jrue than there is for Porzingis. Plus you can get the big of the future with Kessler, and I still like Sexton and Sensabaugh as pieces on the roster. Sexton could provide some scoring next to White/Jaylen even if his defense isn't good. A move like this I believe still saves us 5-6M, which is way more in luxury tax money.

I like Gafford too. They will need to fill out the frontcourt with Horford also retiring probably after next season. In a way, this could be a "buy low" addition because Dallas is soon to have a crowded frontcourt (Lively, Gafford, AD, Flagg, etc.). Brooklyn comes into play because I don't think it's feasible to just do Jrue for Gafford, since there's like a 16M salary difference and Dallas is over the first apron. They'd just provide some additional salaries or picks to take on players.