Big trade to get under luxury tax

[jambr380]

Yikes. The Celtics get taken to the toolshed here.

If it were only Brown for Huff, Bane, Jones, and a couple 2nds, I still wouldn't do that trade.

To trade two additional rotation pieces from a team that won the championship less than a year ago - that's brutal.

Is anybody really going to be upset if Hauser gets traded because that is almost a certainty?  Replacing him with a minimum contract saves too much money and he's easy to move.  I'd say Huff on his excellent contact more than offsets losing Hauser.  Love Jrue but either he or KP is going to have to be moved to get under the 2nd apron.

My original trade was going to be JB for Bane, Konchar, Huff and a protected 1st.  I think that is good value for JB and it saves 10M.  Not sure Memphis would do it.  Bane is probably a better value than JB taking into account their contracts.   

No way I?m doing that trade.  Brown for Bane and it?s only saving me 10 mil? That?s not worth it. You?re going nowhere with that. If I?m trading brown, I need a pick or picks that project to the top of draft so I can re start the next era of Celtics basketball- not a lateral move. Almost like the Brooklyn trade -

Would you do Jaylen for Cam Johnson and 5 1sts from Brooklyn? They have the picks and the deal would save $33M in cap space.

I understand that it's probably a hard no, but how funny would it be to fleece Brooklyn again?

[Larry for 3]

Yikes. The Celtics get taken to the toolshed here.

If it were only Brown for Huff, Bane, Jones, and a couple 2nds, I still wouldn't do that trade.

To trade two additional rotation pieces from a team that won the championship less than a year ago - that's brutal.

Is anybody really going to be upset if Hauser gets traded because that is almost a certainty?  Replacing him with a minimum contract saves too much money and he's easy to move.  I'd say Huff on his excellent contact more than offsets losing Hauser.  Love Jrue but either he or KP is going to have to be moved to get under the 2nd apron.

My original trade was going to be JB for Bane, Konchar, Huff and a protected 1st.  I think that is good value for JB and it saves 10M.  Not sure Memphis would do it.  Bane is probably a better value than JB taking into account their contracts.   

No way I?m doing that trade.  Brown for Bane and it?s only saving me 10 mil? That?s not worth it. You?re going nowhere with that. If I?m trading brown, I need a pick or picks that project to the top of draft so I can re start the next era of Celtics basketball- not a lateral move. Almost like the Brooklyn trade -

Would you do Jaylen for Cam Johnson and 5 1sts from Brooklyn? They have the picks and the deal would save $33M in cap space.

I understand that it's probably a hard no, but how funny would it be to fleece Brooklyn again?

Something like that yes. I want to have my cake and eat it too. I don?t want to trade brown- only for a home run. Salary relief and draft picks. I?m not sure if that?s out there yet. We?ll see? KOC threw out jb to Houston for FVF and 4 firsts then you waive Fred. I?m liking the thought process.

[mef730]

all that is analysis paralysis.

let's just see what brad does.

What's the bet he does nothing 

The problem is that the chance is zero. He has to do something, or they will pay the price down the line, and every team knows it.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

all that is analysis paralysis.

let's just see what brad does.

What's the bet he does nothing 

The problem is that the chance is zero. He has to do something, or they will pay the price down the line, and every team knows it.

i think you are correct

[boscel33]

I think there are probably less painful ways to get under the tax.

The only way I trade JB is in a move for Giannis, after we get below the tax.

I'm generally in your corner, the JKJB one.  But I'd also trade with Dallas for Flagg!  JB might be All NBA, Flagg is going to be Generational!

[A Future of Stevens]

I think there are probably less painful ways to get under the tax.

The only way I trade JB is in a move for Giannis, after we get below the tax.

I'm generally in your corner, the JKJB one.  But I'd also trade with Dallas for Flagg!  JB might be All NBA, Flagg is going to be Generational!

I love JB, but I agree. Those two outcomes would be the only time id trade. Even if Flagg wasn't generational, and just all star level, it would make sense. For Brown's salary, you could have Flagg, AND additional talent for the next 4ish years.

[Boss_D]

Celtics receive :  Jonathan Kuminga / Moses Moody / Quinten Post / TjD

GSW receive : Jaylen Brown / Jordan Walsch / JD Davison


And there is also a Trade Ideas from Yahoo sports -  JB + 28th pick this year for Dallas 1st (Cooper Flagg) + Klay Thompson

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/shocking-trade-idea-boston-celtics-171621261.html

[Who]

Celtics receive :  Jonathan Kuminga / Moses Moody / Quinten Post / TjD

GSW receive : Jaylen Brown / Jordan Walsch / JD Davison

What is the benefit here?

Would this cut salary? I don't think it would once you pay Kuminga. He would be getting $30-40mil per year. Plus another $10mil for Moody. Then the other two. 

Or is it swapping out Jaylen for a younger version of him in Kuminga and hoping Kuminga grows into an All-Star caliber player? Is that the plan here?

[celticinorlando]

Really want nothing GS has to offer. They are trying to package garbage and sell it as some great assets. They have nothing on the roster worth anything to acquire or build around.

[aefgogreen]

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Something like that yes. I want to have my cake and eat it too. I don?t want to trade brown- only for a home run. Salary relief and draft picks. I?m not sure if that?s out there yet. We?ll see? KOC threw out jb to Houston for FVF and 4 firsts then you waive Fred. I?m liking the thought process.
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I think this is the one to watch.  As KOC said, maybe reunite Brown with Ime.  We get under the cap and (potentially) good picks.  Unfortunately, our pick would probably be good as well after we make this deal.  If Giannis stays or goes to San Antonio, I look for Houston to make an offer.

[RodyTur10]

If trades need to be made for tax purposes then the objective is to improve the value per dollar. We don't have specific other goals like balancing the roster, collecting future assets or use assets for big improvements. Considering these circumstances the last you thing you want to do is trade valuable players on very good contracts.

So I don't see any reason to trade Tatum (our best player), White, Hauser, Pritchard or Scheierman (and perhaps even Queta). We can't aggregate salaries for a big trade, so there's no advantage at all for giving any of these guys up. Very weird to see a couple of these names come back in trade proposals on this forum as it doesn't solve the situation and only will decrease the quality of the roster.

Whether some people like it or not, the logical candidates to put on the market are Brown, Holiday and Porzingis. Personally I'd try to trade all three, albeit for different secondary reasons.

[Surferdad]

If trades need to be made for tax purposes then the objective is to improve the value per dollar. We don't have specific other goals like balancing the roster, collecting future assets or use assets for big improvements. Considering these circumstances the last you thing you want to do is trade valuable players on very good contracts.

So I don't see any reason to trade Tatum (our best player), White, Hauser, Pritchard or Scheierman (and perhaps even Queta). We can't aggregate salaries for a big trade, so there's no advantage at all for giving any of these guys up. Very weird to see a couple of these names come back in trade proposals on this forum as it doesn't solve the situation and only will decrease the quality of the roster.

Whether some people like it or not, the logical candidates to put on the market are Brown, Holiday and Porzingis. Personally I'd try to trade all three, albeit for different secondary reasons.

Personally, I lean towards running it back with both Brown and Holiday, but would really try to trade KP. I just feel like Jrue has been overall more impactful than KP.

[Phantom255x]

I'm still pushing for these trades

1. Hauser to Miami or Sacramento or anyone with a need for a cheaper 3-point specialist

2. Porzingis + 2 future first round picks for Kessler, Sexton and Sensabaugh

3. Jrue + 2nd round pick for Gafford + Hardy (involve BKN as a 3rd team to help facilitation)

[tazzmaniac]

I'm still pushing for these trades

1. Hauser to Miami or Sacramento or anyone with a need for a cheaper 3-point specialist

2. Porzingis + 2 future first round picks for Kessler, Sexton and Sensabaugh

3. Jrue + 2nd round pick for Gafford + Hardy (involve BKN as a 3rd team to help facilitation)

1. I think trading Hauser to the highest bidder (picks, no one coming back or maybe a good player on a minimum contract) is a certainty.  Doesn't matter where he goes. 

2.  Who are you giving up the 2 future 1st for?  Financially this trade only saves 3M for next season.  Sensabaugh isn't worth a 1st.  I'm not interested in Sexton and wouldn't give up a 1st for him.  I'm not sure I'd give up a 1st for Kessler but more importantly I don't see how Kessler fits the team since he's not a 3pt shooter.  Does firing Joe and hiring a coach who will run a more balanced offense come with this trade?  I might take the hit for that. 

Even if I thought this was a good trade, both Sexton and Kessler are 1-year contracts.  They could leave after next season and you'll ended up trading 2 1sts for Sensabaugh and he could leave the following season.  And if they are desirable players it won't be cheap to re-sign them so the financials won't be improved.  I'm not against trading KP but I don't think this is the right deal.  Maybe if only 1 pick was involved and Sexton could be rerouted to the Nets without giving up no more than a 2nd.  That would save 23M and get us under the 2nd apron. 

3.  I'm assuming adding Brooklyn doesn't cost us anything.  Again Gafford isn't a 3pt shooter so how is he a good fit?  He's not even a full-time starter for the Mavs.  And finally he's on a 1yr contract so he could leave after next season; however I doubt he's going to be in great demand so probably could be re-signed for around the 14M he is currently making.  Hardy on a reasonable 3yr, 6M per year seems like an okay backup.  Not a bad deal but it would all come done to how much this would save financially. 

[tazzmaniac]

If trades need to be made for tax purposes then the objective is to improve the value per dollar. We don't have specific other goals like balancing the roster, collecting future assets or use assets for big improvements. Considering these circumstances the last you thing you want to do is trade valuable players on very good contracts.

So I don't see any reason to trade Tatum (our best player), White, Hauser, Pritchard or Scheierman (and perhaps even Queta). We can't aggregate salaries for a big trade, so there's no advantage at all for giving any of these guys up. Very weird to see a couple of these names come back in trade proposals on this forum as it doesn't solve the situation and only will decrease the quality of the roster.

Whether some people like it or not, the logical candidates to put on the market are Brown, Holiday and Porzingis. Personally I'd try to trade all three, albeit for different secondary reasons.

Personally, I lean towards running it back with both Brown and Holiday, but would really try to trade KP. I just feel like Jrue has been overall more impactful than KP.

Given Jrue is my favorite player on the team, I'd really like to retain.  I really wish he was the one with a 1yr deal and an extension could be worked out.  Unfortunately I Jrue is the one to get moved given his contract.