If Jrue is to be traded...ideas

[keevsnick]

Can someone tell me exactly how much we need to shed in payroll to get under the 2nd apron?

I'm seeing mixed numbers online too

The Boston Celtics are projected to be around $20 million over the second apron in the 2025-26 season. This means their payroll is expected to exceed the second apron threshold of $207.8 million. To get under this threshold, they would need to shed roughly $20 million in salary. ($19,959,873, per Spotrac)

Its worth noting that the above number only takes into account the 12 contracts the Celtics have on the books for next year. They have three free agents (Horford, Kornet, Craig) and two draft picks (#28, #32) that and at bare minimum will carry 14 contracts into next season. So realistically they need to clear about 25 million to get under the secodn apron and fill out their roster.

[tazzmaniac]

Can someone tell me exactly how much we need to shed in payroll to get under the 2nd apron?

I'm seeing mixed numbers online too

The Boston Celtics are projected to be around $20 million over the second apron in the 2025-26 season. This means their payroll is expected to exceed the second apron threshold of $207.8 million. To get under this threshold, they would need to shed roughly $20 million in salary. ($19,959,873, per Spotrac)

Its worth noting that the above number only takes into account the 12 contracts the Celtics have on the books for next year. They have three free agents (Horford, Kornet, Craig) and two draft picks (#28, #32) that and at bare minimum will carry 14 contracts into next season. So realistically they need to clear about 25 million to get under the secodn apron and fill out their roster.

Yep.  All the posted trades to get below the 2nd apron assume that Horford and Kornet aren't brought back.  While possible to get below the 2nd apron by just trading Jrue (or KP), it is likely that Hauser is also moved.  Then of course, JT likely misses the whole season.  Makes sense to see to explore trading JB.  That's the only way to get below the 2nd apron and get a good return. 

[Birdman]

Will Celtics be eligible for injury money cause Tatum could be out for year or no?

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Will Celtics be eligible for injury money cause Tatum could be out for year or no?

From what I understood, yes, but it still counts against our salary cap. That makes it unlikely we?d use it.

[Phantom255x]

Will Celtics be eligible for injury money cause Tatum could be out for year or no?

From what I understood, yes, but it still counts against our salary cap. That makes it unlikely we?d use it.

Correct. I think it's around a 14M exception essentially, BUT like you said if we use it, still counts against our payroll and luxury tax calculations.

[keevsnick]

Can someone tell me exactly how much we need to shed in payroll to get under the 2nd apron?

I'm seeing mixed numbers online too

The Boston Celtics are projected to be around $20 million over the second apron in the 2025-26 season. This means their payroll is expected to exceed the second apron threshold of $207.8 million. To get under this threshold, they would need to shed roughly $20 million in salary. ($19,959,873, per Spotrac)

Its worth noting that the above number only takes into account the 12 contracts the Celtics have on the books for next year. They have three free agents (Horford, Kornet, Craig) and two draft picks (#28, #32) that and at bare minimum will carry 14 contracts into next season. So realistically they need to clear about 25 million to get under the secodn apron and fill out their roster.

Yep.  All the posted trades to get below the 2nd apron assume that Horford and Kornet aren't brought back.  While possible to get below the 2nd apron by just trading Jrue (or KP), it is likely that Hauser is also moved.  Then of course, JT likely misses the whole season.  Makes sense to see to explore trading JB.  That's the only way to get below the 2nd apron and get a good return.

I disagree with that last bit. I think there are a lot of ways to get below the 2nd apron, the return will depend on how guys like Jrue, Hauser and KP are valued. I wouldn't trade JB, not if the plan is to win again starting in 26-27.

[tazzmaniac]

Can someone tell me exactly how much we need to shed in payroll to get under the 2nd apron?

I'm seeing mixed numbers online too

The Boston Celtics are projected to be around $20 million over the second apron in the 2025-26 season. This means their payroll is expected to exceed the second apron threshold of $207.8 million. To get under this threshold, they would need to shed roughly $20 million in salary. ($19,959,873, per Spotrac)

Its worth noting that the above number only takes into account the 12 contracts the Celtics have on the books for next year. They have three free agents (Horford, Kornet, Craig) and two draft picks (#28, #32) that and at bare minimum will carry 14 contracts into next season. So realistically they need to clear about 25 million to get under the secodn apron and fill out their roster.

Yep.  All the posted trades to get below the 2nd apron assume that Horford and Kornet aren't brought back.  While possible to get below the 2nd apron by just trading Jrue (or KP), it is likely that Hauser is also moved.  Then of course, JT likely misses the whole season.  Makes sense to see to explore trading JB.  That's the only way to get below the 2nd apron and get a good return.

I disagree with that last bit. I think there are a lot of ways to get below the 2nd apron, the return will depend on how guys like Jrue, Hauser and KP are valued. I wouldn't trade JB, not if the plan is to win again starting in 26-27.

Not that I think the Spurs would do it but you wouldn't take the Castle, Vassel, #2 pick plus filler for JB that some propose on here? 

[Moranis]

Can someone tell me exactly how much we need to shed in payroll to get under the 2nd apron?

I'm seeing mixed numbers online too

The Boston Celtics are projected to be around $20 million over the second apron in the 2025-26 season. This means their payroll is expected to exceed the second apron threshold of $207.8 million. To get under this threshold, they would need to shed roughly $20 million in salary. ($19,959,873, per Spotrac)

Its worth noting that the above number only takes into account the 12 contracts the Celtics have on the books for next year. They have three free agents (Horford, Kornet, Craig) and two draft picks (#28, #32) that and at bare minimum will carry 14 contracts into next season. So realistically they need to clear about 25 million to get under the secodn apron and fill out their roster.

Yep.  All the posted trades to get below the 2nd apron assume that Horford and Kornet aren't brought back.  While possible to get below the 2nd apron by just trading Jrue (or KP), it is likely that Hauser is also moved.  Then of course, JT likely misses the whole season.  Makes sense to see to explore trading JB.  That's the only way to get below the 2nd apron and get a good return.

I disagree with that last bit. I think there are a lot of ways to get below the 2nd apron, the return will depend on how guys like Jrue, Hauser and KP are valued. I wouldn't trade JB, not if the plan is to win again starting in 26-27.

The team isn't winning in 26-27 without some drastic moves.  Tatum, Brown, and White simply isn't good enough and they make so much there isn't any way to really add to the team. 

If the goal is to win championships again anytime in the next 5 years, then the team has to trade Brown, Holiday, Porzingis, and maybe White. 

[Phantom255x]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1932111264781578509

The Boston Celtics are reportedly seeking a first-round pick for Jrue Holiday, per
@HPbasketball
 

?Hall of Famer Marc Stein reported this weekend that Boston is in fact listening to trade offers for Holiday, something most people assumed. While the focus has been on reducing payroll, sources have told the Paroxysm that Boston is setting the price at a first-round pick along with whatever reduced salary comes back in the deal.?

Yeah they are not getting back a first round pick in a trade lol

[wdleehi]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1932111264781578509

The Boston Celtics are reportedly seeking a first-round pick for Jrue Holiday, per
@HPbasketball
 

?Hall of Famer Marc Stein reported this weekend that Boston is in fact listening to trade offers for Holiday, something most people assumed. While the focus has been on reducing payroll, sources have told the Paroxysm that Boston is setting the price at a first-round pick along with whatever reduced salary comes back in the deal.?

Yeah they are not getting back a first round pick in a trade lol

Why?   Team that are looking to add Holiday are likely good teams looking for a part to take them over the top with a non-lotto pick.   

[Phantom255x]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1932111264781578509

The Boston Celtics are reportedly seeking a first-round pick for Jrue Holiday, per
@HPbasketball
 

?Hall of Famer Marc Stein reported this weekend that Boston is in fact listening to trade offers for Holiday, something most people assumed. While the focus has been on reducing payroll, sources have told the Paroxysm that Boston is setting the price at a first-round pick along with whatever reduced salary comes back in the deal.?

Yeah they are not getting back a first round pick in a trade lol

Why?   Team that are looking to add Holiday are likely good teams looking for a part to take them over the top with a non-lotto pick.

I think his contract will make it tough to get it.

My ideas have been Jrue + a future protected 1st for DeRozan + Ellis, OR Jrue + a 2nd round pick for Gafford + Hardy (a 3rd team like BKN/UTAH helps to facilitate in each idea)

I haven't seen many online trade ideas or mocks where Jrue fetches us a 1st. The "best" deals I've seen are similar, like Gafford, Norman Powell (if LAC is interested in Jrue) but not with any FRPs coming back, and in some of them we have to attach a 2nd to dump his salary.

[Roy H.]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1932111264781578509

The Boston Celtics are reportedly seeking a first-round pick for Jrue Holiday, per
@HPbasketball
 

?Hall of Famer Marc Stein reported this weekend that Boston is in fact listening to trade offers for Holiday, something most people assumed. While the focus has been on reducing payroll, sources have told the Paroxysm that Boston is setting the price at a first-round pick along with whatever reduced salary comes back in the deal.?

Yeah they are not getting back a first round pick in a trade lol

Why?   Team that are looking to add Holiday are likely good teams looking for a part to take them over the top with a non-lotto pick.

I think his contract will make it tough to get it.

My ideas have been Jrue + a future protected 1st for DeRozan + Ellis, OR Jrue + a 2nd round pick for Gafford + Hardy (a 3rd team like BKN/UTAH helps to facilitate in each idea)

I haven't seen many online trade ideas or mocks where Jrue fetches us a 1st. The "best" deals I've seen are similar, like Gafford, Norman Powell (if LAC is interested in Jrue) but not with any FRPs coming back, and in some of them we have to attach a 2nd to dump his salary.

Is the value between Gafford and a late 1st that much different?

That said, I don't think Marc Stein has been plugged in in years.  He's just speculating, I think.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1932111264781578509

The Boston Celtics are reportedly seeking a first-round pick for Jrue Holiday, per
@HPbasketball
 

?Hall of Famer Marc Stein reported this weekend that Boston is in fact listening to trade offers for Holiday, something most people assumed. While the focus has been on reducing payroll, sources have told the Paroxysm that Boston is setting the price at a first-round pick along with whatever reduced salary comes back in the deal.?

Yeah they are not getting back a first round pick in a trade lol

Let's see what happens. I've been arguing on here that he has that kind of value around the league.

[tonydelk]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1932111264781578509

The Boston Celtics are reportedly seeking a first-round pick for Jrue Holiday, per
@HPbasketball
 

?Hall of Famer Marc Stein reported this weekend that Boston is in fact listening to trade offers for Holiday, something most people assumed. While the focus has been on reducing payroll, sources have told the Paroxysm that Boston is setting the price at a first-round pick along with whatever reduced salary comes back in the deal.?

Yeah they are not getting back a first round pick in a trade lol

I wouldn't be so sure.  Supply and demand.  If the reports have any truth to it there are 3-4 known teams interested.  It could just be smoke from the C's side so teams don't come asking for assets in a deal.  It could be posturing but if enough teams are interested I could see multiple 2nds coming our way with a the reduced salary relief.  I'm sure any 1st would have heavy protections but it could still be an asset used in another deal.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

https://x.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1932111264781578509

The Boston Celtics are reportedly seeking a first-round pick for Jrue Holiday, per
@HPbasketball
 

?Hall of Famer Marc Stein reported this weekend that Boston is in fact listening to trade offers for Holiday, something most people assumed. While the focus has been on reducing payroll, sources have told the Paroxysm that Boston is setting the price at a first-round pick along with whatever reduced salary comes back in the deal.?

Yeah they are not getting back a first round pick in a trade lol

Why?   Team that are looking to add Holiday are likely good teams looking for a part to take them over the top with a non-lotto pick.

I think his contract will make it tough to get it.

My ideas have been Jrue + a future protected 1st for DeRozan + Ellis, OR Jrue + a 2nd round pick for Gafford + Hardy (a 3rd team like BKN/UTAH helps to facilitate in each idea)

I haven't seen many online trade ideas or mocks where Jrue fetches us a 1st. The "best" deals I've seen are similar, like Gafford, Norman Powell (if LAC is interested in Jrue) but not with any FRPs coming back, and in some of them we have to attach a 2nd to dump his salary.

I don't understand those trades that are popular online. Why is the team that is giving up the best player (or the most desired player at least) not getting anything back?

I could understand the final year of his contract being tough, but I'd argue having Jrue for the next 2 seasons is a bonus, not a detriment.