If Jrue is to be traded...ideas

[Goldstar88]

What's the reason to trade Jrue if we don't end up below the second apron at the very least?

Why wouldn't we be better off just running it back?  We should be beneath the second apron next season regardless.

I agree with you on this. Trading Jrue should create significant value for the Cs, either by getting a good young prospect/pick back, or by getting under the 2nd tax, or both.

Jrue seemed to have lost a step this season and he?s going to be 35 this month. I?d rather move on from him sooner than later, especially with his contract. If he regresses further, it will be harder/more costly to move him.

[Roy H.]

What's the reason to trade Jrue if we don't end up below the second apron at the very least?

Why wouldn't we be better off just running it back?  We should be beneath the second apron next season regardless.

I agree with you on this. Trading Jrue should create significant value for the Cs, either by getting a good young prospect/pick back, or by getting under the 2nd tax, or both.

Jrue seemed to have lost a step this season and he?s going to be 35 this month. I?d rather move on from him sooner than later, especially with his contract. If he regresses further, it will be harder/more costly to move him.

Not necessarily.  We would be below the second apron next season.  That means we would have more flexibility and other teams would have leverage.

[tazzmaniac]

What's the reason to trade Jrue if we don't end up below the second apron at the very least?

Why wouldn't we be better off just running it back?  We should be beneath the second apron next season regardless.

I agree with you on this. Trading Jrue should create significant value for the Cs, either by getting a good young prospect/pick back, or by getting under the 2nd tax, or both.

Jrue seemed to have lost a step this season and he?s going to be 35 this month. I?d rather move on from him sooner than later, especially with his contract. If he regresses further, it will be harder/more costly to move him.

That's one take.  Jrue's decline also could be attributed to being the 5th wheel in Joe's offense.  If it is more the former, definitely should trade Jrue in the offseason if there's a reasonable deal.  If it is more the latter, it might make sense to wait on trading Jrue into the season.  With Tatum out, all his usage has to be picked up and Jrue might benefit the most.  If he gets back closer to his pre-Celtics productivity, may get a better return with a midseason trade. 

[Moranis]

What's the reason to trade Jrue if we don't end up below the second apron at the very least?

Why wouldn't we be better off just running it back?  We should be beneath the second apron next season regardless.

I agree with you on this. Trading Jrue should create significant value for the Cs, either by getting a good young prospect/pick back, or by getting under the 2nd tax, or both.

Jrue seemed to have lost a step this season and he?s going to be 35 this month. I?d rather move on from him sooner than later, especially with his contract. If he regresses further, it will be harder/more costly to move him.

That's one take.  Jrue's decline also could be attributed to being the 5th wheel in Joe's offense.  If it is more the former, definitely should trade Jrue in the offseason if there's a reasonable deal.  If it is more the latter, it might make sense to wait on trading Jrue into the season.  With Tatum out, all his usage has to be picked up and Jrue might benefit the most.  If he gets back closer to his pre-Celtics productivity, may get a better return with a midseason trade.

he has clearly lost a step defensively which has almost nothing to do with scheme. He is old with a ton of miles at some point soon it isn't going to be a step and is going to be a chasm. 

[Goldstar88]

What's the reason to trade Jrue if we don't end up below the second apron at the very least?

Why wouldn't we be better off just running it back?  We should be beneath the second apron next season regardless.

I agree with you on this. Trading Jrue should create significant value for the Cs, either by getting a good young prospect/pick back, or by getting under the 2nd tax, or both.

Jrue seemed to have lost a step this season and he?s going to be 35 this month. I?d rather move on from him sooner than later, especially with his contract. If he regresses further, it will be harder/more costly to move him.

That's one take.  Jrue's decline also could be attributed to being the 5th wheel in Joe's offense.  If it is more the former, definitely should trade Jrue in the offseason if there's a reasonable deal.  If it is more the latter, it might make sense to wait on trading Jrue into the season.  With Tatum out, all his usage has to be picked up and Jrue might benefit the most.  If he gets back closer to his pre-Celtics productivity, may get a better return with a midseason trade.

I don?t think Jrue operating as a 5th option behind Tatum, Brown, KP, and White is the reason he lost a step physically.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

What's the reason to trade Jrue if we don't end up below the second apron at the very least?

Why wouldn't we be better off just running it back?  We should be beneath the second apron next season regardless.

I agree with you on this. Trading Jrue should create significant value for the Cs, either by getting a good young prospect/pick back, or by getting under the 2nd tax, or both.

Jrue seemed to have lost a step this season and he?s going to be 35 this month. I?d rather move on from him sooner than later, especially with his contract. If he regresses further, it will be harder/more costly to move him.

That's one take.  Jrue's decline also could be attributed to being the 5th wheel in Joe's offense.  If it is more the former, definitely should trade Jrue in the offseason if there's a reasonable deal.  If it is more the latter, it might make sense to wait on trading Jrue into the season.  With Tatum out, all his usage has to be picked up and Jrue might benefit the most.  If he gets back closer to his pre-Celtics productivity, may get a better return with a midseason trade.

I don?t think Jrue operating as a 5th option behind Tatum, Brown, KP, and White is the reason he lost a step physically.

No, but it could be the reason it appears that way. The entire team looked like it had lost a step on offense and defense.

It's amazing what playing good basketball does to make you look faster and more athletic.

I mean there is no doubt Jrue Holliday isn't what he was 5 years ago, but this narrative that he's a bad contract or a player that cannot contribute to winning (even as a 4-5th option) is incorrect.

Now, the question about his fit with our roster over the next 2 years is a legitimate question. But there are going to be teams lining up (beyond just the two Western Playoff teams of the Clippers and Mavs) that want him as a starter on their team. There are many, many smart teams that believe Jrue Holliday can help them contend for a championship over the next few years.

[tonydelk]

What's the reason to trade Jrue if we don't end up below the second apron at the very least?

Why wouldn't we be better off just running it back?  We should be beneath the second apron next season regardless.

I agree with you on this. Trading Jrue should create significant value for the Cs, either by getting a good young prospect/pick back, or by getting under the 2nd tax, or both.

Jrue seemed to have lost a step this season and he?s going to be 35 this month. I?d rather move on from him sooner than later, especially with his contract. If he regresses further, it will be harder/more costly to move him.

That's one take.  Jrue's decline also could be attributed to being the 5th wheel in Joe's offense.  If it is more the former, definitely should trade Jrue in the offseason if there's a reasonable deal.  If it is more the latter, it might make sense to wait on trading Jrue into the season.  With Tatum out, all his usage has to be picked up and Jrue might benefit the most.  If he gets back closer to his pre-Celtics productivity, may get a better return with a midseason trade.

he has clearly lost a step defensively which has almost nothing to do with scheme. He is old with a ton of miles at some point soon it isn't going to be a step and is going to be a chasm.

I really don't believe Jrue lost a step.  Jrue, Tatum and Dwhite played a lot of BB over the last 2 years.  No rest.  Takes a toll.  I expect Jrue to be better this year no matter where he plays.

[Goldstar88]

What's the reason to trade Jrue if we don't end up below the second apron at the very least?

Why wouldn't we be better off just running it back?  We should be beneath the second apron next season regardless.

I agree with you on this. Trading Jrue should create significant value for the Cs, either by getting a good young prospect/pick back, or by getting under the 2nd tax, or both.

Jrue seemed to have lost a step this season and he?s going to be 35 this month. I?d rather move on from him sooner than later, especially with his contract. If he regresses further, it will be harder/more costly to move him.

That's one take.  Jrue's decline also could be attributed to being the 5th wheel in Joe's offense.  If it is more the former, definitely should trade Jrue in the offseason if there's a reasonable deal.  If it is more the latter, it might make sense to wait on trading Jrue into the season.  With Tatum out, all his usage has to be picked up and Jrue might benefit the most.  If he gets back closer to his pre-Celtics productivity, may get a better return with a midseason trade.

he has clearly lost a step defensively which has almost nothing to do with scheme. He is old with a ton of miles at some point soon it isn't going to be a step and is going to be a chasm.

Sure seems that way. Better to move on now.

[Phantom255x]

Can someone tell me exactly how much we need to shed in payroll to get under the 2nd apron?

I'm seeing mixed numbers online too

[Goldstar88]

Can someone tell me exactly how much we need to shed in payroll to get under the 2nd apron?

I'm seeing mixed numbers online too

The Boston Celtics are projected to be around $20 million over the second apron in the 2025-26 season. This means their payroll is expected to exceed the second apron threshold of $207.8 million. To get under this threshold, they would need to shed roughly $20 million in salary. ($19,959,873, per Spotrac)

[Phantom255x]

Can someone tell me exactly how much we need to shed in payroll to get under the 2nd apron?

I'm seeing mixed numbers online too

The Boston Celtics are projected to be around $20 million over the second apron in the 2025-26 season. This means their payroll is expected to exceed the second apron threshold of $207.8 million. To get under this threshold, they would need to shed roughly $20 million in salary. ($19,959,873, per Spotrac)

TP. Thank you!

Dang, that makes things complicated actually. I guess if they trade Jrue in a deal and only take back 20M, and then you dump Hauser you can get there, but then you also have to factor in draft picks and any other roster pickups (even minimum guys).

Best case is probably Jrue traded in a 3-team deal where we only take back 15M, another team eats some money, and then Hauser and his 10M are dumped

[slightly biased bias fan]

Can someone tell me exactly how much we need to shed in payroll to get under the 2nd apron?

I'm seeing mixed numbers online too

The Boston Celtics are projected to be around $20 million over the second apron in the 2025-26 season. This means their payroll is expected to exceed the second apron threshold of $207.8 million. To get under this threshold, they would need to shed roughly $20 million in salary. ($19,959,873, per Spotrac)

TP. Thank you!

Dang, that makes things complicated actually. I guess if they trade Jrue in a deal and only take back 20M, and then you dump Hauser you can get there, but then you also have to factor in draft picks and any other roster pickups (even minimum guys).

Best case is probably Jrue traded in a 3-team deal where we only take back 15M, another team eats some money, and then Hauser and his 10M are dumped

I do not think you are factoring in how bad is that situation.

Yes, Holiday is injury prone, but he is an all-star talent when healthy. If the Celtics salary dump him, they are in no-way getting back equal value. Then you factor in dumping Hauser, & not bringing back Horford or Kornet, just to get under the second cap apron.

No, Tatum, Holiday, Hauser, Horford & Kornet and expecting anything but .500 team would be crazy.

[Phantom255x]

Can someone tell me exactly how much we need to shed in payroll to get under the 2nd apron?

I'm seeing mixed numbers online too

The Boston Celtics are projected to be around $20 million over the second apron in the 2025-26 season. This means their payroll is expected to exceed the second apron threshold of $207.8 million. To get under this threshold, they would need to shed roughly $20 million in salary. ($19,959,873, per Spotrac)

TP. Thank you!

Dang, that makes things complicated actually. I guess if they trade Jrue in a deal and only take back 20M, and then you dump Hauser you can get there, but then you also have to factor in draft picks and any other roster pickups (even minimum guys).

Best case is probably Jrue traded in a 3-team deal where we only take back 15M, another team eats some money, and then Hauser and his 10M are dumped

I do not think you are factoring in how bad is that situation.

Yes, Holiday is injury prone, but he is an all-star talent when healthy. If the Celtics salary dump him, they are in no-way getting back equal value. Then you factor in dumping Hauser, & not bringing back Horford or Kornet, just to get under the second cap apron.

No, Tatum, Holiday, Hauser, Horford & Kornet and expecting anything but .500 team would be crazy.

I don't mean necessarily salary dump Jrue, you could trade him for say, DeRozan + Ellis of the Kings, or Gafford + Hardy from the Mavs, and a 3rd team can help with moving around money or other assets for a small incentive. You'd still get back a very solid player and another young player.

Otherwise the reality is, if they are hell bent on clearing salary this is the way to go. Or ownership could just keep the roster pretty much (maybe just trade Hauser) and foot the 400-500M bill

[Who]

Can someone tell me exactly how much we need to shed in payroll to get under the 2nd apron?

I'm seeing mixed numbers online too

The Boston Celtics are projected to be around $20 million over the second apron in the 2025-26 season. This means their payroll is expected to exceed the second apron threshold of $207.8 million. To get under this threshold, they would need to shed roughly $20 million in salary. ($19,959,873, per Spotrac)

TP. Thank you!

Dang, that makes things complicated actually. I guess if they trade Jrue in a deal and only take back 20M, and then you dump Hauser you can get there, but then you also have to factor in draft picks and any other roster pickups (even minimum guys).

Best case is probably Jrue traded in a 3-team deal where we only take back 15M, another team eats some money, and then Hauser and his 10M are dumped

I do not think you are factoring in how bad is that situation.

Yes, Holiday is injury prone, but he is an all-star talent when healthy. If the Celtics salary dump him, they are in no-way getting back equal value. Then you factor in dumping Hauser, & not bringing back Horford or Kornet, just to get under the second cap apron.

No, Tatum, Holiday, Hauser, Horford & Kornet and expecting anything but .500 team would be crazy.

Is Jrue Holiday really an All-Star level player anymore?

[keevsnick]

Can someone tell me exactly how much we need to shed in payroll to get under the 2nd apron?

I'm seeing mixed numbers online too

The Boston Celtics are projected to be around $20 million over the second apron in the 2025-26 season. This means their payroll is expected to exceed the second apron threshold of $207.8 million. To get under this threshold, they would need to shed roughly $20 million in salary. ($19,959,873, per Spotrac)

TP. Thank you!

Dang, that makes things complicated actually. I guess if they trade Jrue in a deal and only take back 20M, and then you dump Hauser you can get there, but then you also have to factor in draft picks and any other roster pickups (even minimum guys).

Best case is probably Jrue traded in a 3-team deal where we only take back 15M, another team eats some money, and then Hauser and his 10M are dumped

I do not think you are factoring in how bad is that situation.

Yes, Holiday is injury prone, but he is an all-star talent when healthy. If the Celtics salary dump him, they are in no-way getting back equal value. Then you factor in dumping Hauser, & not bringing back Horford or Kornet, just to get under the second cap apron.

No, Tatum, Holiday, Hauser, Horford & Kornet and expecting anything but .500 team would be crazy.

Is Jrue Holiday really an All-Star level player anymore?

Obviously no. He's still a good player. But he has very little juice on ball an his shooting can be streaky. If you just removed him and his salary from the roster you'd get worse, but I think its possible to trade him bring back somebody making 10-20 million and not be too much worse for the wear.