Trade JB, retool and get under apron. Silly Trade idea

[Muzzy66]

Trade Porzingis to Toronto for Jakob Poeltl + filler then trade out the filler for picks/cap relief

Trade Porzingis and Jrue Holiday to Phoenix for Devin Booker and Royce Oneal (expiring).

Let horford retire with dignity as his contract is expiring anyway.

If Tatum comes back well then I think Pritchard/White/Booker/Tatum/Poeltl would make an elite young core to build around. 

If Tatum never comes back to his old self then you build around Booker, Pritchard, White and Poeltl which is no horrible thing. 

Either ay you save about $18M in salary with the cutting of Horford's and Oneal's contracts.

[Muzzy66]

Let me start by saying I like JB and do not necessarily want to trade him but for Bam I probably would.....The Heat wouldn't but they have coveted KD for awhile lol



**++Celtics ++**
In= Bam, Wiggins
Out= Brown, Jrue,2026 1st and 2031 1st
Retool in hopes of Tatum coming back healthy in 26/27. Also gets under 2nd apron.

**++Heat ++**
In= KD and John Collins
OUT= Bam, Wiggins, Duncan, 2025 1st round, 2026 2nd round
Finally get Kd but do lose Bam but he has regressed some. The addition of Collins makes up some for the loss of Bam. Leaving them with starting 5 of rozier,herro,KD, Jovic, collins



**++Suns ++**
In= Brown, 202 1st Miami, 2031 1st round Boston
Out= KD
Suns get good value for an aging KD. The trio of Beal, Brown, and Booker anchor the team but will need help which is similar to current but younger and picks

**++Jazz ++**
In= Jrue, 2026 1st BOS, 2027 1st BKN
Out= Collins
Jazz get Jrue which is an interesting fit with sexton, Markkanen, and young players in george and Kessler. Ultimately the Jazz get 2 first round pick which perhaps they flip

**++Nets ++**
In= Duncan, 2026 2nd MIA
Out= 2027 1st round
Nets need players and Duncan white 31 has value and could be flipped later on

https://fanspo.com/nba/trades/oL1IK286kkBDuC

This is a very hard no for me. I'd straight up rather have Brown than Adebayo. I think he's just plainly a better player. But also adding two firts round picks? No.

On paper Brown might be a better player, but I think Bam is a better player for us.  He brings physical and mental toughness, an efficient offensive game, a team-first mentalty and a defence-first mentality.  I think these are all things that this team has desperately needed for years now.

I see Bam as being very close to a prime Al Horford in that he's an excellent and very smart defensive player with high offensive IQ, great passing ability for a big, and while he's not a #1 guy he is a guy who will have conistent offensive impact especially in the playoffs (when he always seems to elevate his game). 

And with Bam there will never be any question of whether you will get his full effort.  That man leaves it all on the floor every night.  He brings that Pat riley mentality, which this team could use some of. 

If Tatum comes back and pretty much continues where he left off (like KD did) then I honestly think a duo of Tatum and Bam would be absolutely devastating, and that a core of Bam, Tatum, White and Pritchard would be a very tough, efficient, hard-nosed team that would be a contender for years to come.  It's the type of team that wins not by just chucking a billion shots, but with high basketball IQ, effort and good teamwork - i.e. Celtics basketball. 

Sure Tatum can go hero-ball but I think that's ok, so long as we dont have both Tatum AND Brown going hero ball on alternate nights I think thats fine.

Also muh like Tatum, Bam has had a fairly good history in terms of health, and that might make him desirable over a lot of other star bigs who are look better on paper.

[Muzzy66]

I would move JB for Bam.  The other moving parts I don't like.

Ugg, I wouldn't.  I know Bam is good.   But giving up a player that is at least just as good, at the same time sending one of our homegrown great players to Miami is horrible.

I wouldn't make that deal either.  JB is the better player.

Box Plus Minus
Brown: +0.3
Bam: +2.5

Net Rating:
Brown: -1
Bam: +9

VORP:
Brown: +10.8
Bam: +19.9

WS/48:
Brown: 0.106
Bam: +0.159

Jaylen definitely has more exciting look on paper stats, but to say he's the better player...I question that.  JB is an average efficient (1.27 pts per FGA) volume scorer who is relatively turnover prone, highly inconsistent defensively, shows inconsistent effort and focus, and has a tendancy to completely dissapear in close out games.  He's a flashy player who I think comes across better then he actually is beause he scores a lot of points and gets his share of exciting contact dunks.

Bam isn't flashy but he's a guy who plays consistently hard and consistently smart every night.  He's a great rebounder, his defense is almost always elite, he's an excellent passer for a big, and while he doesnt put up crazy high point numbers he is elite efficient (1.39 points per FGA for his career).  Every time we play Miami that give us a really hard time, and IMHO Bam is the biggest reason for that.  He kills us almost every time we play the Heat.

Bam is the textbook example of a guy who impacts the game far beyond what shows on the box score, while JB is the complete opposite of that. 

He also entered the league aroung the same time as Tatum, so their timelines would match up very nicely.  And he's not a guy who relies a lot on explosive athleticism, so much like Horford his game should age very well.  I'm not sure what JB would look like once his athleticism starts to drop off.

IMHO Bam is not only a better player then Brown, I think he's a SIGNIFCIANTLY better player than Brown.  Brown will bring the highlights, but Bam will bring the wins.

[Banner18now!]

No way in hell do they trade Brown for Bam nor should they. Brown is the better player. I?m not giving up Brown for less than what he?s worth just for the sake of getting rid of him. If they are getting back the value then sure it might be the right move but moving him for less than he?s worth doesn?t help this team moving forward with Tatum.

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I would move JB for Bam.  The other moving parts I don't like.

Ugg, I wouldn't.  I know Bam is good.   But giving up a player that is at least just as good, at the same time sending one of our homegrown great players to Miami is horrible.

I wouldn't make that deal either.  JB is the better player.

Box Plus Minus
Brown: +0.3
Bam: +2.5

Net Rating:
Brown: -1
Bam: +9

VORP:
Brown: +10.8
Bam: +19.9

WS/48:
Brown: 0.106
Bam: +0.159

Jaylen definitely has more exciting look on paper stats, but to say he's the better player...I question that.  JB is an average efficient (1.27 pts per FGA) volume scorer who is relatively turnover prone, highly inconsistent defensively, shows inconsistent effort and focus, and has a tendancy to completely dissapear in close out games.  He's a flashy player who I think comes across better then he actually is beause he scores a lot of points and gets his share of exciting contact dunks.

Bam isn't flashy but he's a guy who plays consistently hard and consistently smart every night.  He's a great rebounder, his defense is almost always elite, he's an excellent passer for a big, and while he doesnt put up crazy high point numbers he is elite efficient (1.39 points per FGA for his career).

Bam is the textbook example of a guy who impacts the game far beyond what shows on the box score, while JB is the complete opposite of that.

Did you happen to watch our playoff run last year?   I know that tonight was a tough night, but JB is a huge reason we won the title last year.   Has Bam helped his team win a title?   The disrespect for JB is going to go nuts again...I may have to stay away from here for a while lol.

[Phantom255x]

I'm only considering trading Jaylen in two scenarios

1. Cooper Flagg

2. Giannis (*maybe*)

[Muzzy66]

I would move JB for Bam.  The other moving parts I don't like.

Ugg, I wouldn't.  I know Bam is good.   But giving up a player that is at least just as good, at the same time sending one of our homegrown great players to Miami is horrible.

I wouldn't make that deal either.  JB is the better player.

Box Plus Minus
Brown: +0.3
Bam: +2.5

Net Rating:
Brown: -1
Bam: +9

VORP:
Brown: +10.8
Bam: +19.9

WS/48:
Brown: 0.106
Bam: +0.159

Jaylen definitely has more exciting look on paper stats, but to say he's the better player...I question that.  JB is an average efficient (1.27 pts per FGA) volume scorer who is relatively turnover prone, highly inconsistent defensively, shows inconsistent effort and focus, and has a tendancy to completely dissapear in close out games.  He's a flashy player who I think comes across better then he actually is beause he scores a lot of points and gets his share of exciting contact dunks.

Bam isn't flashy but he's a guy who plays consistently hard and consistently smart every night.  He's a great rebounder, his defense is almost always elite, he's an excellent passer for a big, and while he doesnt put up crazy high point numbers he is elite efficient (1.39 points per FGA for his career).

Bam is the textbook example of a guy who impacts the game far beyond what shows on the box score, while JB is the complete opposite of that.

Did you happen to watch our playoff run last year?   I know that tonight was a tough night, but JB is a huge reason we won the title last year.   Has Bam helped his team win a title?   The disrespect for JB is going to go nuts again...I may have to stay away from here for a while lol.

Of course I did. 

Did you?  If so then could you please tell me what Jaylen Brown did in the closout games, games 4 and 5?  I'll help you.

In game 4 he had 10 points, 1 rebound, 2 assists and 2 turnvoers on 4-10 shooting.  Tatum was about the only guy who peformed respectably in that game.

In game 5 he had 21 points, 8 reb, 6 assists on 7-23 shooting which is decent but not amazig - and did pretty much nothing until late in the game when JT had already carried the Celtics to a winning lead.  JT carried in that game with 31 points, 8 reb, 11 assists on 11-24 shooting. 

But lets go further back.  Lets go back to our ECF series against the Heat.  Tatum carried the Celtics that entire series, averaging 25 points, 10 reb and 5 assists on 47% shooting.  Then Tatum got injured at the very beginning of game 7 and they had to lean on Jaylen to step up.  What did he do? 19 points and 8 turnovers on 8-23 shooting.

It's the same deal today - closeout game 6 and Jaylen has 20 points, 7 turnovers and 6 fouls and the team gets blown out by 40. 

JB has had a ton of big moments in the playoffs, no question about it.  But when it comes to the absolute biggest pressure moments - those big closout games - the man mostly falls apart, and in those games the Celtics pretty much go as far as Tatum carries them.  About the only time I've seen JB reallky step up in a closout situation was game 6 of the finals against the Warriors, in which case I will acknlowledge that he did great and Tatum stunk it up.  But 9 times out of 10 it goes the other way around when its a closeout scenario.

This is why JB could never be a #1 on a championship squad the way Tatum can.  Contrary to what many will try to tell you,. Tatum is actually a much better clutch player then Brown when it comes down to the biggest moments when the team's back is against a wall. 

I love JB - if this was going from a pure emotional standpint there is no way in hell I would trade him for Bam. I wouldn't want to trade him for anyone.  But if I lkook at this from a GM's perspective and detatch myself emotionally, then as a #2 guy and support piece I'll take Bam over JB every time. 

Why? Because you need to think about what this team is lacking.  Jaylen's greatest talent is hsi ability to put points on the board when he's hot.  This team does not struggle to score points when they are hot - that's somethign they excel at.  What the team struggles with is consistency, physicality, and the ability to get easy efficient points.  That's something Bam excelts at and a weakness he would immediately help with. 

Now if you could some how get Bam WITHOUT trading JB or Tatum then my god, that would be amazing.  But I doubt that is realistically achievable because Bam is still pretty young and he's very much a Pat Riley kind of player.

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I would move JB for Bam.  The other moving parts I don't like.

Ugg, I wouldn't.  I know Bam is good.   But giving up a player that is at least just as good, at the same time sending one of our homegrown great players to Miami is horrible.

I wouldn't make that deal either.  JB is the better player.

Box Plus Minus
Brown: +0.3
Bam: +2.5

Net Rating:
Brown: -1
Bam: +9

VORP:
Brown: +10.8
Bam: +19.9

WS/48:
Brown: 0.106
Bam: +0.159

Jaylen definitely has more exciting look on paper stats, but to say he's the better player...I question that.  JB is an average efficient (1.27 pts per FGA) volume scorer who is relatively turnover prone, highly inconsistent defensively, shows inconsistent effort and focus, and has a tendancy to completely dissapear in close out games.  He's a flashy player who I think comes across better then he actually is beause he scores a lot of points and gets his share of exciting contact dunks.

Bam isn't flashy but he's a guy who plays consistently hard and consistently smart every night.  He's a great rebounder, his defense is almost always elite, he's an excellent passer for a big, and while he doesnt put up crazy high point numbers he is elite efficient (1.39 points per FGA for his career).

Bam is the textbook example of a guy who impacts the game far beyond what shows on the box score, while JB is the complete opposite of that.

Did you happen to watch our playoff run last year?   I know that tonight was a tough night, but JB is a huge reason we won the title last year.   Has Bam helped his team win a title?   The disrespect for JB is going to go nuts again...I may have to stay away from here for a while lol.

Of course I did. 

Did you?  If so then could you please tell me what Jaylen Brown did in the closout games, games 4 and 5?  I'll help you.

In game 4 he had 10 points, 1 rebound, 2 assists and 2 turnvoers on 4-10 shooting.  Tatum was about the only guy who peformed respectably in that game.

In game 5 he had 21 points, 8 reb, 6 assists on 7-23 shooting which is decent but not amazig - and did pretty much nothing until late in the game when JT had already carried the Celtics to a winning lead.  JT carried in that game with 31 points, 8 reb, 11 assists on 11-24 shooting. 

But lets go further back.  Lets go back to our ECF series against the Heat.  Tatum carried the Celtics that entire series, averaging 25 points, 10 reb and 5 assists on 47% shooting.  Then Tatum got injured at the very beginning of game 7 and they had to lean on Jaylen to step up.  What did he do? 19 points and 8 turnovers on 8-23 shooting.

It's the same deal today - closeout game 6 and Jaylen has 20 points, 7 turnovers and 6 fouls and the team gets blown out by 40. 

JB has had a ton of big moments in the playoffs, no question about it.  But when it comes to the absolute biggest pressure moments - those big closout games - the man mostly falls apart, and in those games the Celtics pretty much go as far as Tatum carries them.  About the only time I've seen JB reallky step up in a closout situation was game 6 of the finals against the Warriors, in which case I will acknlowledge that he did great and Tatum stunk it up.  But 9 times out of 10 it goes the other way around when its a closeout scenario.

This is why JB could never be a #1 on a championship squad the way Tatum can.  Contrary to what many will try to tell you,. Tatum is actually a much better clutch player then Brown when it comes down to the biggest moments when the team's back is against a wall. 

I love JB - if this was going from a pure emotional standpint there is no way in hell I would trade him for Bam. I wouldn't want to trade him for anyone.  But if I lkook at this from a GM's perspective and detatch myself emotionally, then as a #2 guy and support piece I'll take Bam over JB every time. 

Why? Because you need to think about what this team is lacking.  Jaylen's greatest talent is hsi ability to put points on the board when he's hot.  This team does not struggle to score points when they are hot - that's somethign they excel at.  What the team struggles with is consistency, physicality, and the ability to get easy efficient points.  That's something Bam excelts at and a weakness he would immediately help with. 

Now if you could some how get Bam WITHOUT trading JB or Tatum then my god, that would be amazing.  But I doubt that is realistically achievable because Bam is still pretty young and he's very much a Pat Riley kind of player.

you are moving the goalposts and started arguing about how poor of a closer JB is versus JT.   I was critical of you wanting to trade JB for BAM.   All this info about JB not being the closer that JT is irrelevant to this discussion.  I am saying JB is better than BAM, not that he is better than JT.   I disagree with you, sorry.

[Who]

Bam & Porzingis would be a great big man combination. They would fit each other's strengths and weaknesses so well. Cover each other's liabilities. Intimidating size.

Tatum at SF. Big frontcourt.

[tazzmaniac]

I'm only considering trading Jaylen in two scenarios

1. Cooper Flagg

2. Giannis (*maybe*)

You can just say you're not trading Jaylen because neither of those scenarios is happening.  And only being a maybe on Giannis is ridiculous.  Would you not trade Jaylen for Jokic? 

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Bam & Porzingis would be a great big man combination. They would fit each other's strengths and weaknesses so well. Cover each other's liabilities. Intimidating size.

Tatum at SF. Big frontcourt.

Plot twist.  Porzingis is moved to Miami

[Who]

Bam & Porzingis would be a great big man combination. They would fit each other's strengths and weaknesses so well. Cover each other's liabilities. Intimidating size.

Tatum at SF. Big frontcourt.

Plot twist.  Porzingis is moved to Miami

Gotta keep Porzingis if we are going for Bam.

Miami just spent they last 5 years lacking size in their frontcourt. They just moved Bam back to PF alongside K Ware. When they made their bubble Finals, they had Bam next to Olynyk and M Leonard. Those two provided the shooting and floor spacing to make Bam highly effective at PF. He has improved his shooting since then but is still dodgy if not paired with a jump-shooting center. Porzingis is like those guys on steroids. Perfect for Bam.

[kraidstar]

Lakers receive : Jaylen Brown

Celtics receive : Austin Reaves, first overall pick in the 2026 draft

[jambr380]

Bam & Porzingis would be a great big man combination. They would fit each other's strengths and weaknesses so well. Cover each other's liabilities. Intimidating size.

Tatum at SF. Big frontcourt.

Plot twist.  Porzingis is moved to Miami

Wonder what we could get from Miami if we did a KP for Rozier deal. It drops a few million off of what we owe next year and we could then try to offload Rozier and his slightly smaller contract somewhere else.

Or even better, if Miami would do a Jrue for Rozier deal. Then we could use Roy's waive and stretch idea if needed. An $8M hit the next three years isn't that bad

[BringToughnessBack]

Lakers receive : Jaylen Brown

Celtics receive : Austin Reaves, first overall pick in the 2026 draft

Brown would be perfect compliment to Luka and the old wizard too. but, there is no way to make that financially work. I don't even believe they have the salary to send back for Brown beyond Luka which of course they would not do. Not many teams do.

The Bucks could take Brown for their star. Who else? The Suns for an aging KD. I would avoid sending Brown to the Heat as Riley would love to bring in a few superstars again but he needs one to begin that march again.