One move to get us almost below the second apron...

[Roy H.]

I'm not advocating for this, but I also haven't seen any discussion of the possibility.

The move:  waive and stretch Jrue Holiday.

Currently, we're $19,959,873 above the second apron for 2025-26.

Jrue has three seasons and $104,400,000 remaining on his contract as of July 1 of this year.

That salary could be stretched over 7 seasons, meaning there's a cap hit of $14,914,285.71 per season.

That means that we would save $17,485,714.29 next season, getting within $2,474,158.71 of the second apron.

To get below the second apron and still field a team, assume that we'd have to trade Hauser into another team's MLE, and fill out the roster with guys making around the minimum.  Still, it's doable.

So, it can be done.  Would it be worth it?  It's obviously hard eating $100 million in dead salary, but would the luxury tax and apron relief over the next couple of seasons make it plausible?

[wdleehi]

There is no point.   He has value in the NBA.   Even if it is a three team deal where another team takes on extra salary, it can be done as long as it is understood that the return will not be at the talent value should be.



I really hate these salary cap rules.   It is designed to end excellence of teams until everyone is mediocre.   

[wdleehi]

The better question is how would this work for Porzingis if the Celtics make a Holiday trade and are close to being under the 2nd apron but can't find a move to get under.   

[Roy H.]

There is no point.   He has value in the NBA.   Even if it is a three team deal where another team takes on extra salary, it can be done as long as it is understood that the return will not be at the talent value should be.



I really hate these salary cap rules.   It is designed to end excellence of teams until everyone is mediocre.

To me, it's hard to find a suitor for Jrue that is going to bring back positive value to us and also shed significant salary.  There just really aren't many teams with any cap space at all.  So, assuming a normal "within 125%" trade, a team is going to be sending back at least $25.9 million.    We only end up saving around $6.5 million or so.

[Goldstar88]

There is no point.   He has value in the NBA.   Even if it is a three team deal where another team takes on extra salary, it can be done as long as it is understood that the return will not be at the talent value should be.



I really hate these salary cap rules.   It is designed to end excellence of teams until everyone is mediocre.

To me, it's hard to find a suitor for Jrue that is going to bring back positive value to us and also shed significant salary.  There just really aren't many teams with any cap space at all.  So, assuming a normal "within 125%" trade, a team is going to be sending back at least $25.9 million.    We only end up saving around $6.5 million or so.

Jrue would be a great addition for Houston or San Antonio. Both are in need of a PG. Sacramento as well.

[Roy H.]

There is no point.   He has value in the NBA.   Even if it is a three team deal where another team takes on extra salary, it can be done as long as it is understood that the return will not be at the talent value should be.



I really hate these salary cap rules.   It is designed to end excellence of teams until everyone is mediocre.

To me, it's hard to find a suitor for Jrue that is going to bring back positive value to us and also shed significant salary.  There just really aren't many teams with any cap space at all.  So, assuming a normal "within 125%" trade, a team is going to be sending back at least $25.9 million.    We only end up saving around $6.5 million or so.

Jrue would be a great addition for Houston or San Antonio. Both are in need of a PG. Sacramento as well.

What type of trade and cost savings are we looking at, though?

[wdleehi]

There is no point.   He has value in the NBA.   Even if it is a three team deal where another team takes on extra salary, it can be done as long as it is understood that the return will not be at the talent value should be.



I really hate these salary cap rules.   It is designed to end excellence of teams until everyone is mediocre.

To me, it's hard to find a suitor for Jrue that is going to bring back positive value to us and also shed significant salary.  There just really aren't many teams with any cap space at all.  So, assuming a normal "within 125%" trade, a team is going to be sending back at least $25.9 million.    We only end up saving around $6.5 million or so.

Jrue would be a great addition for Houston or San Antonio. Both are in need of a PG. Sacramento as well.

If the Spurs wanted to, they could probably trade for both Jrue and Giannis

[gift]

at this point, jrue donating money to charity is the only thing making me think he'll even play next year at all.

[Goldstar88]

There is no point.   He has value in the NBA.   Even if it is a three team deal where another team takes on extra salary, it can be done as long as it is understood that the return will not be at the talent value should be.



I really hate these salary cap rules.   It is designed to end excellence of teams until everyone is mediocre.

To me, it's hard to find a suitor for Jrue that is going to bring back positive value to us and also shed significant salary.  There just really aren't many teams with any cap space at all.  So, assuming a normal "within 125%" trade, a team is going to be sending back at least $25.9 million.    We only end up saving around $6.5 million or so.

Jrue would be a great addition for Houston or San Antonio. Both are in need of a PG. Sacramento as well.

What type of trade and cost savings are we looking at, though?

Spurs have Harrison Barnes as an expiring at $19M next year. Jrue Holiday for: Barnes, Wesley, Champagnie. 

[Ilikesports17]

There is no point.   He has value in the NBA.   Even if it is a three team deal where another team takes on extra salary, it can be done as long as it is understood that the return will not be at the talent value should be.



I really hate these salary cap rules.   It is designed to end excellence of teams until everyone is mediocre.

To me, it's hard to find a suitor for Jrue that is going to bring back positive value to us and also shed significant salary.  There just really aren't many teams with any cap space at all.  So, assuming a normal "within 125%" trade, a team is going to be sending back at least $25.9 million.    We only end up saving around $6.5 million or so.

The only teams that have cap are the Pistons and Nets. I guess Detroit could feasibly be interested? They do need vets. With Tatum out they have a real chance to make a leap to true contention in the East. With Hardaway expiring and Cade being an oversized 1, the fit makes a good amount of sense. Maybe send back Isaiah Stewart?

That saves us 15 mil, gives us some center depth. Just not sure if detroit actually would have any interest in doing that.

[Roy H.]

There is no point.   He has value in the NBA.   Even if it is a three team deal where another team takes on extra salary, it can be done as long as it is understood that the return will not be at the talent value should be.



I really hate these salary cap rules.   It is designed to end excellence of teams until everyone is mediocre.

To me, it's hard to find a suitor for Jrue that is going to bring back positive value to us and also shed significant salary.  There just really aren't many teams with any cap space at all.  So, assuming a normal "within 125%" trade, a team is going to be sending back at least $25.9 million.    We only end up saving around $6.5 million or so.

Jrue would be a great addition for Houston or San Antonio. Both are in need of a PG. Sacramento as well.

What type of trade and cost savings are we looking at, though?

Spurs have Harrison Barnes as an expiring at $19M next year. Jrue Holiday for: Barnes, Wesley, Champagnie.

That saves us $5.7 million.  We'd still be way over the apron.

Long-term it makes sense, but it doesn't fit the Celtics immediate goals.  (Also, I don't think SAS would want Jrue.)

[Goldstar88]

There is no point.   He has value in the NBA.   Even if it is a three team deal where another team takes on extra salary, it can be done as long as it is understood that the return will not be at the talent value should be.



I really hate these salary cap rules.   It is designed to end excellence of teams until everyone is mediocre.

To me, it's hard to find a suitor for Jrue that is going to bring back positive value to us and also shed significant salary.  There just really aren't many teams with any cap space at all.  So, assuming a normal "within 125%" trade, a team is going to be sending back at least $25.9 million.    We only end up saving around $6.5 million or so.

Jrue would be a great addition for Houston or San Antonio. Both are in need of a PG. Sacramento as well.

What type of trade and cost savings are we looking at, though?

Spurs have Harrison Barnes as an expiring at $19M next year. Jrue Holiday for: Barnes, Wesley, Champagnie.

That saves us $5.7 million.  We'd still be way over the apron.

Long-term it makes sense, but it doesn't fit the Celtics immediate goals.  (Also, I don't think SAS would want Jrue.)

Also have Walsh and Davison on non guaranteed deals. Tillman is an expiring. Those 3 combine for about $7M.

Why wouldn?t the Spurs want Jrue? He?d be a significant upgrade over CP3.

Fox, Holiday, Castle, Sochan, Wembanyama would be a very good starting 5. Elite defensively.

[Roy H.]

There is no point.   He has value in the NBA.   Even if it is a three team deal where another team takes on extra salary, it can be done as long as it is understood that the return will not be at the talent value should be.



I really hate these salary cap rules.   It is designed to end excellence of teams until everyone is mediocre.

To me, it's hard to find a suitor for Jrue that is going to bring back positive value to us and also shed significant salary.  There just really aren't many teams with any cap space at all.  So, assuming a normal "within 125%" trade, a team is going to be sending back at least $25.9 million.    We only end up saving around $6.5 million or so.

Jrue would be a great addition for Houston or San Antonio. Both are in need of a PG. Sacramento as well.

What type of trade and cost savings are we looking at, though?

Spurs have Harrison Barnes as an expiring at $19M next year. Jrue Holiday for: Barnes, Wesley, Champagnie.

That saves us $5.7 million.  We'd still be way over the apron.

Long-term it makes sense, but it doesn't fit the Celtics immediate goals.  (Also, I don't think SAS would want Jrue.)

Also have Walsh and Davison on non guaranteed deals. Tillman is an expiring. Those 3 combine for about $7M.

Why wouldn?t the Spurs want Jrue? He?d be a significant upgrade over CP3.

Fox, Holiday, Castle, Sochan, Wembanyama would be a very good starting 5. Elite defensively.

Because the Spurs have opportunities to upgrade in much more significant ways.

[Who]

I hated those small backcourts San Antonio was using late last season after acquiring D Fox. I want them to go bigger.

I want D Fox to be their starting PG. D Vassell to be their starting SG. Stephon Castle to be their 6th man and backup combo guard. A three guard backcourt rotation. Then H Barnes and Keldon Johnson as a 1-2 punch at SF. That is the perimeter rotation I want to see next season. That is their best grouping. They also have Julian Champagnie as another SF. Great perimeter balance & depth.

They have some work to do at the big man slots. Wemby as starter. Sochan as starter or bench big. No other quality big men. That is the hole they should be filling.

I don't like Jrue for San Antonio. It is doubling down on what was a bad plan in the 2nd half of last season.

[Roy H.]

I hated those small backcourts San Antonio was using late last season after acquiring D Fox. I want them to go bigger.

I want D Fox to be their starting PG. D Vassell to be their starting SG. Stephon Castle to be their 6th man and backup combo guard. A three guard backcourt rotation. Then H Barnes and Keldon Johnson as a 1-2 punch at SF. That is the perimeter rotation I want to see next season. That is their best grouping. They also have Julian Champagnie as another SF. Great perimeter balance & depth.

They have some work to do at the big man slots. Wemby as starter. Sochan as starter or bench big. No other quality big men. That is the hole they should be filling.

I don't like Jrue for San Antonio. It is doubling down on what was a bad plan in the 2nd half of last season.

I've got to think that they're the #1 contender for Giannis.

If they agree to trade the #2 and #14 picks, and complete that 30 days after signing them, they only need to send out around $26 million in salary, I think.  That can be covered by 1) Vassell; or 2) Barnes + Sochan or 3) Barnes + Wesley + Branham or Champagnie.

Wemby
Giannis
K. Johnson
Vassell / Wesley / Branham
Fox / Castle

Jrue makes little sense.