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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #150 on: February 27, 2025, 01:44:29 PM »

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Here is more from Sam Amick (via The Athletic):

"Make no mistake, the people who witnessed Dončić?s last days in Dallas do not paint a flattering portrait of the 25-year-old?s professionalism. They call him lazy. They talk about the weight issues that were such a frequent frustration within their walls. They mention the social habits that The Athletic has reported on ? such as a taste for beer and hookah ? which have been a point of concern for NBA types since he was a 19-year-old star for Real Madrid who was entering the draft. They predict his basketball demise, highlighting a health history that, as some see it, will likely lead to catastrophe in the next five years or so."

Can you imagine if a "taste for beer and hookah" was a reason to trade somebody in the 80s?  Danny Ainge might have been the only guy remaining in our starting lineup.

It looks like Dallas hyper-focused on a few flaws and lost sight of everything else. Then made a huge mistake by acting on it.

Terrible management.

Yeah, I don?t buy it at all. If his ?habits? were detrimental to the team, why were they in the Finals? It?s just nonsense. Seems like there was a personal rub between Luka and Nico/the owners and they didn?t want to pay him. If you?re going to trade him, why not field other offers and get a better return than a soon to be 32 year old AD who can?t stay on the court. The whole thing is very odd.

I may be a little biased because I've never enjoyed watching Luka play. He plays hero-ball a bit too much for my liking. He doesn't try on defense. He constantly acts like he hurt something when he messes up. He whines more than Chris Paul to the refs.

I think people forget that Dallas was really bad for the last 1 1/2 seasons with Luka at the Helm. They didn't even make the playoffs two years ago. Then they got hot the second half of the season last year, lucked into some good playoff matchups, and got roasted in the finals.

The best the Mavs ever did with Luka at the helm was a 52 win pace one year. Every other year with him has been at a sub-50 win pace. That's not bad, but people are acting like he's led the Mavs to be dominate.

Even if you weren't concerned about his future health and conditioning, I think his shine, counting stats, and highlights outweigh the fact that he has not been able to lead his team to be consistently a top 5 team (or top 10?) in the league.


I'm really, really interested if the Mavs and Nico end up being vindicated here, but not if Luka gets injured or flames out of the league. If they are able to get Davis and Likely healthy, that is a team that I think the Celtics would struggle with in a finals matchup more than they did last year. They will have Davis-Likely-Washington-Thompson-Irving and Christie-Gafford-Marshall-Dinwiddie-Exum off the bench. I think Kidd's offense is flowing much better without Luka, and their defense will be really, really difficult to score on.

The double-big lineup is a new little twist some NBA teams are doing over this last year or two. The Mavs would have the best defensive double-big lineup in the NBA.

Dallas just made it to the Finals with him! Luka is 25 years old and a top 5 player in the NBA. He?s not a great defender, but he does everything else at an extremely high level, similar to Jokic. Also, the Celtics would have roasted whoever came out of the West. Dallas was the best team to come out of that conference, which is why they were in the Finals.


This is it, but this isn't just it.

Not only have you just traded your 25-year-old centerpiece a few months after he dragged your team to the Finals because you were worried about his health and conditioning, but, because you were worried about his health and conditioning, you traded him for a guy who is seven years older and has only managed to play in 200 more NBA games, despite being in the league for nearly twice as long.

Beyond that, the guy you're trading for has a worse resume as his team's best player. Compare AD at 25 to Luka at 25 and they're not even close.

So which is more likely - this is some kind of wild 5D Chess where Dallas is going to zag where everyone else zigs, or they're cheap and the GM doesn't like their superstar?

I stand by my comments on his win-loss record. He's not Jokic, because Jokic consistently helps his team win 50+ games every year.

The Mavs were having a real problem building a winning culture around him. Doesn't mean that the potential wasn't there for him. I think some of his counting stats and his highlights are empty stats that may mislead us to think he's more special than he actually is.

The Mavs came off a season where they didn't make the playoffs, a season where they weren't in the playoffs half-way through the year and then went on a run, and then a season where they were quite honestly a disappointment so far.

Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #151 on: February 27, 2025, 02:45:40 PM »

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With the new salary rules, who you pay with your couple of max contracts is crucial. DAL made the call that they did not want to pay Luka and have him keep getting fat and being under conditioned.  Luka could end up a dominant star or he could end up Zion Williamson.  DAL made a tough call. Deciding not to pay Luka is one part of this. The other part is the trade itself. Seems they could have gotten more.

Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #152 on: February 27, 2025, 03:18:02 PM »

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Here is more from Sam Amick (via The Athletic):

"Make no mistake, the people who witnessed Dončić?s last days in Dallas do not paint a flattering portrait of the 25-year-old?s professionalism. They call him lazy. They talk about the weight issues that were such a frequent frustration within their walls. They mention the social habits that The Athletic has reported on ? such as a taste for beer and hookah ? which have been a point of concern for NBA types since he was a 19-year-old star for Real Madrid who was entering the draft. They predict his basketball demise, highlighting a health history that, as some see it, will likely lead to catastrophe in the next five years or so."

Can you imagine if a "taste for beer and hookah" was a reason to trade somebody in the 80s?  Danny Ainge might have been the only guy remaining in our starting lineup.

It looks like Dallas hyper-focused on a few flaws and lost sight of everything else. Then made a huge mistake by acting on it.

Terrible management.

Yeah, I don?t buy it at all. If his ?habits? were detrimental to the team, why were they in the Finals? It?s just nonsense. Seems like there was a personal rub between Luka and Nico/the owners and they didn?t want to pay him. If you?re going to trade him, why not field other offers and get a better return than a soon to be 32 year old AD who can?t stay on the court. The whole thing is very odd.

I may be a little biased because I've never enjoyed watching Luka play. He plays hero-ball a bit too much for my liking. He doesn't try on defense. He constantly acts like he hurt something when he messes up. He whines more than Chris Paul to the refs.

I think people forget that Dallas was really bad for the last 1 1/2 seasons with Luka at the Helm. They didn't even make the playoffs two years ago. Then they got hot the second half of the season last year, lucked into some good playoff matchups, and got roasted in the finals.

The best the Mavs ever did with Luka at the helm was a 52 win pace one year. Every other year with him has been at a sub-50 win pace. That's not bad, but people are acting like he's led the Mavs to be dominate.

Even if you weren't concerned about his future health and conditioning, I think his shine, counting stats, and highlights outweigh the fact that he has not been able to lead his team to be consistently a top 5 team (or top 10?) in the league.


I'm really, really interested if the Mavs and Nico end up being vindicated here, but not if Luka gets injured or flames out of the league. If they are able to get Davis and Likely healthy, that is a team that I think the Celtics would struggle with in a finals matchup more than they did last year. They will have Davis-Likely-Washington-Thompson-Irving and Christie-Gafford-Marshall-Dinwiddie-Exum off the bench. I think Kidd's offense is flowing much better without Luka, and their defense will be really, really difficult to score on.

The double-big lineup is a new little twist some NBA teams are doing over this last year or two. The Mavs would have the best defensive double-big lineup in the NBA.

Dallas just made it to the Finals with him! Luka is 25 years old and a top 5 player in the NBA. He?s not a great defender, but he does everything else at an extremely high level, similar to Jokic. Also, the Celtics would have roasted whoever came out of the West. Dallas was the best team to come out of that conference, which is why they were in the Finals.


This is it, but this isn't just it.

Not only have you just traded your 25-year-old centerpiece a few months after he dragged your team to the Finals because you were worried about his health and conditioning, but, because you were worried about his health and conditioning, you traded him for a guy who is seven years older and has only managed to play in 200 more NBA games, despite being in the league for nearly twice as long.

Beyond that, the guy you're trading for has a worse resume as his team's best player. Compare AD at 25 to Luka at 25 and they're not even close.

So which is more likely - this is some kind of wild 5D Chess where Dallas is going to zag where everyone else zigs, or they're cheap and the GM doesn't like their superstar?

I stand by my comments on his win-loss record. He's not Jokic, because Jokic consistently helps his team win 50+ games every year.

The Mavs were having a real problem building a winning culture around him. Doesn't mean that the potential wasn't there for him. I think some of his counting stats and his highlights are empty stats that may mislead us to think he's more special than he actually is.

The Mavs came off a season where they didn't make the playoffs, a season where they weren't in the playoffs half-way through the year and then went on a run, and then a season where they were quite honestly a disappointment so far.

I don't disagree with your last paragraph, but I think it's important to keep some perspective on things, even if the Jokic comparison wasn't mine.

Specifically: Jokic led Denver to exactly one 50-win season in his first seven seasons with the Nuggets (2015-6 through 21-22) and that's with the infamous Denver altitude HCA. Dallas, with Luka, had two 50-win seasons and a Finals appearance, plus a WCF win: Jokic's Nuggets had only made it to the WCF once in that same period, and lost. I think the comp at this point is pretty favourable to Doncic, actually - but the difference is that Jokic leads his team to a title in season eight, and Doncic probably won't do that with Los Angeles (we hope).

He might be an overrated player - time will tell. I just think trading him at this point for Anthony Davis in particular, based on what Dallas have said since the trade in an effort to justify it, is really beyond belief.
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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #153 on: February 27, 2025, 03:29:25 PM »

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With the new salary rules, who you pay with your couple of max contracts is crucial. DAL made the call that they did not want to pay Luka and have him keep getting fat and being under conditioned.  Luka could end up a dominant star or he could end up Zion Williamson.  DAL made a tough call. Deciding not to pay Luka is one part of this. The other part is the trade itself. Seems they could have gotten more.

That's among the most frustrating parts of this - it just seems to everyone that the Mavs could have gotten more.  That would either mean that Luka goes somewhere other than LAL, or LAL gives up a lot more than they did.  Man I hate this deal.  Bothers me daily.

Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #154 on: February 27, 2025, 03:43:07 PM »

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With the new salary rules, who you pay with your couple of max contracts is crucial. DAL made the call that they did not want to pay Luka and have him keep getting fat and being under conditioned.  Luka could end up a dominant star or he could end up Zion Williamson.  DAL made a tough call. Deciding not to pay Luka is one part of this. The other part is the trade itself. Seems they could have gotten more.

Worst trade ever. Still never should trade your surefire superstar, and when they did trade him it's to the Lakers and their return was laughable. One of their returns is a glass-made man out for several weeks again. Should have just paid Luka despite the conditioning and such.


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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #155 on: February 27, 2025, 08:19:15 PM »

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Here is more from Sam Amick (via The Athletic):

"Make no mistake, the people who witnessed Dončić?s last days in Dallas do not paint a flattering portrait of the 25-year-old?s professionalism. They call him lazy. They talk about the weight issues that were such a frequent frustration within their walls. They mention the social habits that The Athletic has reported on ? such as a taste for beer and hookah ? which have been a point of concern for NBA types since he was a 19-year-old star for Real Madrid who was entering the draft. They predict his basketball demise, highlighting a health history that, as some see it, will likely lead to catastrophe in the next five years or so."

Can you imagine if a "taste for beer and hookah" was a reason to trade somebody in the 80s?  Danny Ainge might have been the only guy remaining in our starting lineup.

It looks like Dallas hyper-focused on a few flaws and lost sight of everything else. Then made a huge mistake by acting on it.

Terrible management.

Yeah, I don?t buy it at all. If his ?habits? were detrimental to the team, why were they in the Finals? It?s just nonsense. Seems like there was a personal rub between Luka and Nico/the owners and they didn?t want to pay him. If you?re going to trade him, why not field other offers and get a better return than a soon to be 32 year old AD who can?t stay on the court. The whole thing is very odd.

I may be a little biased because I've never enjoyed watching Luka play. He plays hero-ball a bit too much for my liking. He doesn't try on defense. He constantly acts like he hurt something when he messes up. He whines more than Chris Paul to the refs.

I think people forget that Dallas was really bad for the last 1 1/2 seasons with Luka at the Helm. They didn't even make the playoffs two years ago. Then they got hot the second half of the season last year, lucked into some good playoff matchups, and got roasted in the finals.

The best the Mavs ever did with Luka at the helm was a 52 win pace one year. Every other year with him has been at a sub-50 win pace. That's not bad, but people are acting like he's led the Mavs to be dominate.

Even if you weren't concerned about his future health and conditioning, I think his shine, counting stats, and highlights outweigh the fact that he has not been able to lead his team to be consistently a top 5 team (or top 10?) in the league.


I'm really, really interested if the Mavs and Nico end up being vindicated here, but not if Luka gets injured or flames out of the league. If they are able to get Davis and Likely healthy, that is a team that I think the Celtics would struggle with in a finals matchup more than they did last year. They will have Davis-Likely-Washington-Thompson-Irving and Christie-Gafford-Marshall-Dinwiddie-Exum off the bench. I think Kidd's offense is flowing much better without Luka, and their defense will be really, really difficult to score on.

The double-big lineup is a new little twist some NBA teams are doing over this last year or two. The Mavs would have the best defensive double-big lineup in the NBA.

Dallas just made it to the Finals with him! Luka is 25 years old and a top 5 player in the NBA. He?s not a great defender, but he does everything else at an extremely high level, similar to Jokic. Also, the Celtics would have roasted whoever came out of the West. Dallas was the best team to come out of that conference, which is why they were in the Finals.


This is it, but this isn't just it.

Not only have you just traded your 25-year-old centerpiece a few months after he dragged your team to the Finals because you were worried about his health and conditioning, but, because you were worried about his health and conditioning, you traded him for a guy who is seven years older and has only managed to play in 200 more NBA games, despite being in the league for nearly twice as long.

Beyond that, the guy you're trading for has a worse resume as his team's best player. Compare AD at 25 to Luka at 25 and they're not even close.

So which is more likely - this is some kind of wild 5D Chess where Dallas is going to zag where everyone else zigs, or they're cheap and the GM doesn't like their superstar?

I stand by my comments on his win-loss record. He's not Jokic, because Jokic consistently helps his team win 50+ games every year.

The Mavs were having a real problem building a winning culture around him. Doesn't mean that the potential wasn't there for him. I think some of his counting stats and his highlights are empty stats that may mislead us to think he's more special than he actually is.

The Mavs came off a season where they didn't make the playoffs, a season where they weren't in the playoffs half-way through the year and then went on a run, and then a season where they were quite honestly a disappointment so far.

A lucky run to the Finals. You hate Luka, we get it!  ;D
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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #156 on: February 28, 2025, 08:46:54 AM »

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Can?t let other teams find out about the heist!  :laugh:

LOS ANGELES -- In the days and weeks leading up to her team completing its deal to land superstar Luka Doncic, Lakers governor Jeanie Buss knew the importance of keeping trade talks with the Dallas Mavericks limited to as tight of a circle as possible.

"It was really important to me that we didn't blow up the team," Buss said Thursday before the Lakers' 111-102 win over the Minnesota Timberwolves. "If it had leaked out and the trade hadn't happened, that would be really unfair to the progress that the coaching staff had made with the team. Because it's a huge distraction."

Mavericks general manager and president of basketball operations Nico Harrison first approached Lakers vice president of basketball operations and general manager Rob Pelinka with the trade concept on Jan. 7 when the Lakers is were in Dallas. The trade was agreed upon 3? weeks later, with Harrison, Pelinka, Buss and Mavericks ownership the only ones privy to discussions until Feb. 1, when the deal was finished.
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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #157 on: February 28, 2025, 10:30:04 AM »

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Can?t let other teams find out about the heist!  :laugh:

LOS ANGELES -- In the days and weeks leading up to her team completing its deal to land superstar Luka Doncic, Lakers governor Jeanie Buss knew the importance of keeping trade talks with the Dallas Mavericks limited to as tight of a circle as possible.

"It was really important to me that we didn't blow up the team," Buss said Thursday before the Lakers' 111-102 win over the Minnesota Timberwolves. "If it had leaked out and the trade hadn't happened, that would be really unfair to the progress that the coaching staff had made with the team. Because it's a huge distraction."

Mavericks general manager and president of basketball operations Nico Harrison first approached Lakers vice president of basketball operations and general manager Rob Pelinka with the trade concept on Jan. 7 when the Lakers is were in Dallas. The trade was agreed upon 3? weeks later, with Harrison, Pelinka, Buss and Mavericks ownership the only ones privy to discussions until Feb. 1, when the deal was finished.


It sure makes a lot of sense to keep that quiet for the heist! You are right! Yes, it is astounding how over the years, trades like this fall into the Lakers lap. That Dallas GM should be fired. The owner is a joke too as they approved this trade. It makes no sense. The Mavericks will soon be back to their old losing ways and the Lakers will be fighting Celtics in the finals over the coming years(I am not opposed to that but I am not happy Luka got dumped to them and no other teams had any chance to compete with offers). I would bet money that next year, Luka comes into camp lean and fit. Lebron and the Lakers organization will make sure of it.

Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #158 on: February 28, 2025, 04:05:52 PM »

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Can?t let other teams find out about the heist!  :laugh:

LOS ANGELES -- In the days and weeks leading up to her team completing its deal to land superstar Luka Doncic, Lakers governor Jeanie Buss knew the importance of keeping trade talks with the Dallas Mavericks limited to as tight of a circle as possible.

"It was really important to me that we didn't blow up the team," Buss said Thursday before the Lakers' 111-102 win over the Minnesota Timberwolves. "If it had leaked out and the trade hadn't happened, that would be really unfair to the progress that the coaching staff had made with the team. Because it's a huge distraction."

Mavericks general manager and president of basketball operations Nico Harrison first approached Lakers vice president of basketball operations and general manager Rob Pelinka with the trade concept on Jan. 7 when the Lakers is were in Dallas. The trade was agreed upon 3? weeks later, with Harrison, Pelinka, Buss and Mavericks ownership the only ones privy to discussions until Feb. 1, when the deal was finished.


It sure makes a lot of sense to keep that quiet for the heist! You are right! Yes, it is astounding how over the years, trades like this fall into the Lakers lap. That Dallas GM should be fired. The owner is a joke too as they approved this trade. It makes no sense. The Mavericks will soon be back to their old losing ways and the Lakers will be fighting Celtics in the finals over the coming years(I am not opposed to that but I am not happy Luka got dumped to them and no other teams had any chance to compete with offers). I would bet money that next year, Luka comes into camp lean and fit. Lebron and the Lakers organization will make sure of it.

Nico Harrison has connections with Nike and a long-lasting relationship with AD and wanted to help 'em out. Usually things always work out well for the Lakers like getting Luka into shape. And you can teach defense, so when he comes into shape watch him start playing elite defense against teams.

I hate that because just when the C's were about to go on a title run for a few years on their own, the Lakers suddenly became title contenders again for multiple years. Now they may have a chance to tie us or exceed us in banners. LeBroid is also showing no signs of stoppage, perhaps he can beat fathertime?


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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #159 on: April 10, 2025, 03:01:50 PM »

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Nico Harrison wanted Luka Doncic to travel with the Dallas Mavericks during a five-game, 10-day road trip in late January as he continued his rehabilitation from a calf strain.

Doncic had believed he had suffered the calf strain on Christmas because he returned too soon from a previous injury. Doncic's camp also believed plane rides could create a possible setback and that he could maximize his workouts remaining in Dallas.

Sources tell The Athletic that the decision from Doncic frustrated team executives with the Mavericks.

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Sources say that the decision by Doncic to skip the trip reiterated in Harrison's mind that the Mavericks would be better off without him.

What a stupid thing for Nico Harrison to get frustrated about.

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« Reply #160 on: April 10, 2025, 04:32:15 PM »

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Nico Harrison wanted Luka Doncic to travel with the Dallas Mavericks during a five-game, 10-day road trip in late January as he continued his rehabilitation from a calf strain.

Doncic had believed he had suffered the calf strain on Christmas because he returned too soon from a previous injury. Doncic's camp also believed plane rides could create a possible setback and that he could maximize his workouts remaining in Dallas.

Sources tell The Athletic that the decision from Doncic frustrated team executives with the Mavericks.

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Sources say that the decision by Doncic to skip the trip reiterated in Harrison's mind that the Mavericks would be better off without him.

What a stupid thing for Nico Harrison to get frustrated about.

Sounds like a power struggle.  Nico wanted to be able to tell Luka want to do.  Didn't like it when Luka didn't follow orders.  It does seem silly/stupid thing if this is what truly triggered the trade.

I still think that DAL was concerned that Luka would never get in shape and that he would always be injured.  There is probably some truth to this but I certainly wouldn't have traded Luka for that deal.  If I was going to trade him, seems you could get a whole lot more.

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« Reply #161 on: April 10, 2025, 06:12:44 PM »

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Nico Harrison wanted Luka Doncic to travel with the Dallas Mavericks during a five-game, 10-day road trip in late January as he continued his rehabilitation from a calf strain.

Doncic had believed he had suffered the calf strain on Christmas because he returned too soon from a previous injury. Doncic's camp also believed plane rides could create a possible setback and that he could maximize his workouts remaining in Dallas.

Sources tell The Athletic that the decision from Doncic frustrated team executives with the Mavericks.

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Sources say that the decision by Doncic to skip the trip reiterated in Harrison's mind that the Mavericks would be better off without him.

What a stupid thing for Nico Harrison to get frustrated about.

Either way, the owner signed off on it. Fans should be more upset with them than Nico.
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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #162 on: April 10, 2025, 08:43:14 PM »

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Nico Harrison wanted Luka Doncic to travel with the Dallas Mavericks during a five-game, 10-day road trip in late January as he continued his rehabilitation from a calf strain.

Doncic had believed he had suffered the calf strain on Christmas because he returned too soon from a previous injury. Doncic's camp also believed plane rides could create a possible setback and that he could maximize his workouts remaining in Dallas.

Sources tell The Athletic that the decision from Doncic frustrated team executives with the Mavericks.

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Sources say that the decision by Doncic to skip the trip reiterated in Harrison's mind that the Mavericks would be better off without him.

What a stupid thing for Nico Harrison to get frustrated about.

Either way, the owner signed off on it. Fans should be more upset with them than Nico.

Nico has/had prior connections with Nike and great buddies with Anthony Davis. He knew what he was doing, sending Luka only to the Lakers and not calling other teams. Call the Bucks and Giannis may be on the table. Call OKC and either Shai or Holmgren are on the table. Call the Celtics and either Tatum or Brown would be on the table.

Call Lakers? Glass-man Davis who is almost out every other game and Max Christie sheesh. Didn't even try prying Reaves and Knecht from them.


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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #163 on: April 10, 2025, 08:48:05 PM »

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Nico Harrison wanted Luka Doncic to travel with the Dallas Mavericks during a five-game, 10-day road trip in late January as he continued his rehabilitation from a calf strain.

Doncic had believed he had suffered the calf strain on Christmas because he returned too soon from a previous injury. Doncic's camp also believed plane rides could create a possible setback and that he could maximize his workouts remaining in Dallas.

Sources tell The Athletic that the decision from Doncic frustrated team executives with the Mavericks.

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Sources say that the decision by Doncic to skip the trip reiterated in Harrison's mind that the Mavericks would be better off without him.

What a stupid thing for Nico Harrison to get frustrated about.

Either way, the owner signed off on it. Fans should be more upset with them than Nico.

The best part is that the Mavs are now centered around Kyrie, who had a similar history of slipping games.


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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #164 on: April 10, 2025, 08:49:59 PM »

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What's hilarious is I don't even think AD/Kyrie are gonna remain in DAL beyond 2026. Kyrie may miss a good chunk of next season anyways but if things continue to look bad, he's not sticking around. Neither are Klay and AD. Trading away Luka alone might have just porked that entire franchise not just in terms of revenue/fan interest, but the organization could quickly become very irrelevant. Doubt many players will be willing to sign up to play with the organization either with their clueless ownership group and GM
"Tough times never last, but tough people do." - Robert H. Schuller