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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #180 on: April 12, 2025, 10:13:37 AM »

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I probably look at the Lakers as more of a threat then most.  Look at the team Luka had in DAL that he was able to carry to the finals.  Sure, he had Kyrie, but now he has LeBron.  And a giant chip on his shoulder.

In the last 15 games, their record is only 9-6 but some of their support players have been playing well.  Reaves, Finney-Smith, Hachimura, and Vincent have all been solid.  But that only gets them 6 deep.  Hayes, Goodwin, Vanderbilt, and Knecht have been OK, but will have to step it up if they want to have a role in the playoffs, I would think.  They are going to need 7-8 players for the playoff run, I don't think their top 6 alone is enough.

In any case, I still see OKC as the clear favorite in the West.  A LAL - OKC final would not shock me though.  Although I will say that LAC could be a wild card.  It doesn't seem like they have enough to keep it up in the playoffs but a top 2 of Harden and Leonard (with the giant "if healthy" caveat) is a hall of fame 1-2 punch.

Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #181 on: April 12, 2025, 10:16:23 AM »

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Surprised he wasn't joining in

I think Nico is being scapegoated to some extent, since the owners are the ones ultimately calling the shots. It?s also Cubans fault for selling to them.
unless something comes out where the trade was initiated by the new owners and Nico was just following orders, he's no scapegoat.  Owners had to sign off on it so they're culpable as well but Nico should be fired for not opening up the bidding process to get a much better haul for Luka than he got for gifting him to the Lakers for a pittance of what he was worth.

I don't fault Cuban for it.  no doubt the buyers told him everything he wanted to hear but in the end, they now own it and can do as they see fit.  Wyc's in a similar situation with the recent sale of the C's.

If you?re the owners and someone comes to you and says, you should trade your 25 year old global superstar (who you just made the Finals with) for a player that is going to be 33 next year in Anthony Davis, who is often injured, probably should have looked into other options? Even if it was Nicos idea, they signed off on that and got pennies on the dollar. It doesn?t make any sense at all. The whole thing stinks.
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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #182 on: April 12, 2025, 10:44:24 AM »

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Yea I totally agree that the owners knew about Luka trade and May be one to tell him to do it
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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #183 on: April 12, 2025, 11:14:08 AM »

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Surprised he wasn't joining in

I think Nico is being scapegoated to some extent, since the owners are the ones ultimately calling the shots. It?s also Cubans fault for selling to them.
unless something comes out where the trade was initiated by the new owners and Nico was just following orders, he's no scapegoat.  Owners had to sign off on it so they're culpable as well but Nico should be fired for not opening up the bidding process to get a much better haul for Luka than he got for gifting him to the Lakers for a pittance of what he was worth.

I don't fault Cuban for it.  no doubt the buyers told him everything he wanted to hear but in the end, they now own it and can do as they see fit.  Wyc's in a similar situation with the recent sale of the C's.

If you?re the owners and someone comes to you and says, you should trade your 25 year old global superstar (who you just made the Finals with) for a player that is going to be 33 next year in Anthony Davis, who is often injured, probably should have looked into other options? Even if it was Nicos idea, they signed off on that and got pennies on the dollar. It doesn?t make any sense at all. The whole thing stinks.
They're idiots as is Nico who is also incompetent for making such a crappy deal. 

Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #184 on: April 12, 2025, 11:20:55 AM »

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Surprised he wasn't joining in

I think Nico is being scapegoated to some extent, since the owners are the ones ultimately calling the shots. It?s also Cubans fault for selling to them.
unless something comes out where the trade was initiated by the new owners and Nico was just following orders, he's no scapegoat.  Owners had to sign off on it so they're culpable as well but Nico should be fired for not opening up the bidding process to get a much better haul for Luka than he got for gifting him to the Lakers for a pittance of what he was worth.

I don't fault Cuban for it.  no doubt the buyers told him everything he wanted to hear but in the end, they now own it and can do as they see fit.  Wyc's in a similar situation with the recent sale of the C's.

If you?re the owners and someone comes to you and says, you should trade your 25 year old global superstar (who you just made the Finals with) for a player that is going to be 33 next year in Anthony Davis, who is often injured, probably should have looked into other options? Even if it was Nicos idea, they signed off on that and got pennies on the dollar. It doesn?t make any sense at all. The whole thing stinks.
They're idiots as is Nico who is also incompetent for making such a crappy deal.

There was an Athletic article a few days ago that came out and said the Dumont doesn't know basketball or understand the intricacies of the NBA yet  and basically puts all his trust in the people below him in ops (Honestly, not the worst thing to have out of an owner).   Listening to Dumont, it's pretty clear the guy is clueless about basketball.    Honestly, I'm sure the guy has good intentions but I also think he got hoodwinked by Harrison here and was probably too isolated to realize the lack of due diligence on Nico's part or the public relations fallout from the trade.  He signed off on something that I'm not entirely sure he fully understood.


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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #185 on: April 12, 2025, 12:16:47 PM »

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Surprised he wasn't joining in

I think Nico is being scapegoated to some extent, since the owners are the ones ultimately calling the shots. It?s also Cubans fault for selling to them.
unless something comes out where the trade was initiated by the new owners and Nico was just following orders, he's no scapegoat.  Owners had to sign off on it so they're culpable as well but Nico should be fired for not opening up the bidding process to get a much better haul for Luka than he got for gifting him to the Lakers for a pittance of what he was worth.

I don't fault Cuban for it.  no doubt the buyers told him everything he wanted to hear but in the end, they now own it and can do as they see fit.  Wyc's in a similar situation with the recent sale of the C's.

If you?re the owners and someone comes to you and says, you should trade your 25 year old global superstar (who you just made the Finals with) for a player that is going to be 33 next year in Anthony Davis, who is often injured, probably should have looked into other options? Even if it was Nicos idea, they signed off on that and got pennies on the dollar. It doesn?t make any sense at all. The whole thing stinks.
They're idiots as is Nico who is also incompetent for making such a crappy deal.

There was an Athletic article a few days ago that came out and said the Dumont doesn't know basketball or understand the intricacies of the NBA yet  and basically puts all his trust in the people below him in ops (Honestly, not the worst thing to have out of an owner).   Listening to Dumont, it's pretty clear the guy is clueless about basketball.    Honestly, I'm sure the guy has good intentions but I also think he got hoodwinked by Harrison here and was probably too isolated to realize the lack of due diligence on Nico's part or the public relations fallout from the trade.  He signed off on something that I'm not entirely sure he fully understood.

Not buying it. So he loves basketball, but doesn?t have any understanding of it? Patrick is only 51. It?s not like he?s old and losing his faculties.

In an article on mavs.com announcing the purchase of the team, Dumont said in a statement: Our family loves basketball, and we plan to display our passion for the sport by owning and investing in a world-class basketball organization that wins games and proudly represents its community.

Mavericks owner and governor Patrick Dumont was the "ultimate decision maker" when it came time to agree to the deal.

If you look at the greats in the league, the people you and I grew up with  [Michael] Jordan, [Larry] Bird, Kobe [Bryant], Shaq [O?Neal] they worked really hard, every day, with a singular focus to win, he said. And if you don?t have that, it doesn?t work. And if you don?t have that, you shouldn?t be part of the Dallas Mavericks.

That?s who we want. I?m unwavering on this. The entire organization knows this. This is how I operate outside of basketball. This is the only way to be competitive and win. If you want to take a vacation, don?t do it with us.

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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #186 on: April 12, 2025, 12:26:42 PM »

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Surprised he wasn't joining in

I think Nico is being scapegoated to some extent, since the owners are the ones ultimately calling the shots. It?s also Cubans fault for selling to them.
unless something comes out where the trade was initiated by the new owners and Nico was just following orders, he's no scapegoat.  Owners had to sign off on it so they're culpable as well but Nico should be fired for not opening up the bidding process to get a much better haul for Luka than he got for gifting him to the Lakers for a pittance of what he was worth.

I don't fault Cuban for it.  no doubt the buyers told him everything he wanted to hear but in the end, they now own it and can do as they see fit.  Wyc's in a similar situation with the recent sale of the C's.

If you?re the owners and someone comes to you and says, you should trade your 25 year old global superstar (who you just made the Finals with) for a player that is going to be 33 next year in Anthony Davis, who is often injured, probably should have looked into other options? Even if it was Nicos idea, they signed off on that and got pennies on the dollar. It doesn?t make any sense at all. The whole thing stinks.
They're idiots as is Nico who is also incompetent for making such a crappy deal.

There was an Athletic article a few days ago that came out and said the Dumont doesn't know basketball or understand the intricacies of the NBA yet  and basically puts all his trust in the people below him in ops (Honestly, not the worst thing to have out of an owner).   Listening to Dumont, it's pretty clear the guy is clueless about basketball.    Honestly, I'm sure the guy has good intentions but I also think he got hoodwinked by Harrison here and was probably too isolated to realize the lack of due diligence on Nico's part or the public relations fallout from the trade.  He signed off on something that I'm not entirely sure he fully understood.

Not buying it. So he loves basketball, but doesn?t have any understanding of it? Patrick is only 51. It?s not like he?s old and losing his faculties.

In an article on mavs.com announcing the purchase of the team, Dumont said in a statement: Our family loves basketball, and we plan to display our passion for the sport by owning and investing in a world-class basketball organization that wins games and proudly represents its community.

Mavericks owner and governor Patrick Dumont was the "ultimate decision maker" when it came time to agree to the deal.

If you look at the greats in the league, the people you and I grew up with  [Michael] Jordan, [Larry] Bird, Kobe [Bryant], Shaq [O?Neal] they worked really hard, every day, with a singular focus to win, he said. And if you don?t have that, it doesn?t work. And if you don?t have that, you shouldn?t be part of the Dallas Mavericks.

That?s who we want. I?m unwavering on this. The entire organization knows this. This is how I operate outside of basketball. This is the only way to be competitive and win. If you want to take a vacation, don?t do it with us.



It's one thing to be a fan.  It's a whole other matter to understand the underlying mechanisms on how the league runs.


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6265398/2025/04/09/who-is-patrick-dumont-mavericks-governor/

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How might Dumont?s managing style impact the Mavs?
In business, Dumont is known to be trusting of the people he has empowered. He wants to understand his employees? thought processes before a big decision is made, but typically will trust them if he feels they have more expertise than he does. The Mavericks made the NBA Finals in 2024, and when it came to Dončić, Dumont trusted Harrison, who believed he had amassed more than enough intelligence over the last couple of years to make his choice.

?I don?t know how many teams saw the same thing that Nico saw,? one source familiar with all involved, but who was not involved in the trade discussions, told The Athletic. ?And then, the other pieces, the PJ Washingtons, that he put together. And they go to the fricking finals, right? So, I don?t know what you (Dumont) think of your general manager in your few month?s experience with him. But you probably think that he?s got a gift. That he?s good at this.?

What is Dumont?s experience with basketball?
In an article on mavs.com announcing the purchase of the team, Dumont said in a statement: ?Our family loves basketball, and we plan to display our passion for the sport by owning and investing in a world-class basketball organization that wins games and proudly represents its community.?

In that same story, Cuban praised the deal as an ideal partnership because, ?They?re not basketball people. I?m not real estate people. That?s why I did it.?

So, as much as Dumont may love the game, he came in unfamiliar with the workings of the NBA. In an interview at a luncheon last offseason, Dumont awkwardly referred to the finals as ?the championship games.?

Cuban certainly figured he would have a say in personnel decisions, but Harrison cut him out of the discussions around Dončić. Dumont, meanwhile, trusted Harrison.

?Patrick doesn?t know basketball, and he knows he doesn?t,? said one league source.


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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #187 on: April 12, 2025, 02:51:23 PM »

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Surprised he wasn't joining in

I think Nico is being scapegoated to some extent, since the owners are the ones ultimately calling the shots. It?s also Cubans fault for selling to them.
unless something comes out where the trade was initiated by the new owners and Nico was just following orders, he's no scapegoat.  Owners had to sign off on it so they're culpable as well but Nico should be fired for not opening up the bidding process to get a much better haul for Luka than he got for gifting him to the Lakers for a pittance of what he was worth.

I don't fault Cuban for it.  no doubt the buyers told him everything he wanted to hear but in the end, they now own it and can do as they see fit.  Wyc's in a similar situation with the recent sale of the C's.

If you?re the owners and someone comes to you and says, you should trade your 25 year old global superstar (who you just made the Finals with) for a player that is going to be 33 next year in Anthony Davis, who is often injured, probably should have looked into other options? Even if it was Nicos idea, they signed off on that and got pennies on the dollar. It doesn?t make any sense at all. The whole thing stinks.
They're idiots as is Nico who is also incompetent for making such a crappy deal.

There was an Athletic article a few days ago that came out and said the Dumont doesn't know basketball or understand the intricacies of the NBA yet  and basically puts all his trust in the people below him in ops (Honestly, not the worst thing to have out of an owner).   Listening to Dumont, it's pretty clear the guy is clueless about basketball.    Honestly, I'm sure the guy has good intentions but I also think he got hoodwinked by Harrison here and was probably too isolated to realize the lack of due diligence on Nico's part or the public relations fallout from the trade.  He signed off on something that I'm not entirely sure he fully understood.

Not buying it. So he loves basketball, but doesn?t have any understanding of it? Patrick is only 51. It?s not like he?s old and losing his faculties.

In an article on mavs.com announcing the purchase of the team, Dumont said in a statement: Our family loves basketball, and we plan to display our passion for the sport by owning and investing in a world-class basketball organization that wins games and proudly represents its community.

Mavericks owner and governor Patrick Dumont was the "ultimate decision maker" when it came time to agree to the deal.

If you look at the greats in the league, the people you and I grew up with  [Michael] Jordan, [Larry] Bird, Kobe [Bryant], Shaq [O?Neal] they worked really hard, every day, with a singular focus to win, he said. And if you don?t have that, it doesn?t work. And if you don?t have that, you shouldn?t be part of the Dallas Mavericks.

That?s who we want. I?m unwavering on this. The entire organization knows this. This is how I operate outside of basketball. This is the only way to be competitive and win. If you want to take a vacation, don?t do it with us.



It's one thing to be a fan.  It's a whole other matter to understand the underlying mechanisms on how the league runs.


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6265398/2025/04/09/who-is-patrick-dumont-mavericks-governor/

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How might Dumont?s managing style impact the Mavs?
In business, Dumont is known to be trusting of the people he has empowered. He wants to understand his employees? thought processes before a big decision is made, but typically will trust them if he feels they have more expertise than he does. The Mavericks made the NBA Finals in 2024, and when it came to Dončić, Dumont trusted Harrison, who believed he had amassed more than enough intelligence over the last couple of years to make his choice.

?I don?t know how many teams saw the same thing that Nico saw,? one source familiar with all involved, but who was not involved in the trade discussions, told The Athletic. ?And then, the other pieces, the PJ Washingtons, that he put together. And they go to the fricking finals, right? So, I don?t know what you (Dumont) think of your general manager in your few month?s experience with him. But you probably think that he?s got a gift. That he?s good at this.?

What is Dumont?s experience with basketball?
In an article on mavs.com announcing the purchase of the team, Dumont said in a statement: ?Our family loves basketball, and we plan to display our passion for the sport by owning and investing in a world-class basketball organization that wins games and proudly represents its community.?

In that same story, Cuban praised the deal as an ideal partnership because, ?They?re not basketball people. I?m not real estate people. That?s why I did it.?

So, as much as Dumont may love the game, he came in unfamiliar with the workings of the NBA. In an interview at a luncheon last offseason, Dumont awkwardly referred to the finals as ?the championship games.?

Cuban certainly figured he would have a say in personnel decisions, but Harrison cut him out of the discussions around Dončić. Dumont, meanwhile, trusted Harrison.

?Patrick doesn?t know basketball, and he knows he doesn?t,? said one league source.

But even the Fans know it?s a terrible trade! Just ask the folks in Dallas.  :laugh: Certainly isn?t rocket science.

You?d think he?d run it by Cuban, just to get another perspective before pulling the trigger. Didn?t do that either. At the end of the day this is on the owners. Dumont is lucky Nico is taking all the heat for it.
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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #188 on: April 12, 2025, 05:20:53 PM »

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Every time I see this thread title in recent threads I want to vomit. Let?s do away with it.

Until/unless the Lakers get ousted in the playoffs, I am going to be in a panicked and distraught state. I can't believe they managed to get Luka for cents on the dollar. I know people will say they have no chance at a Title, but I'll believe it when I see it. And that also doesn't change the fact that they now have Luka for the next decade.

Don't forget about the Joker and the coaching/front office issue in Denver. He may very well head to Lakerland in a few years teaming up with his best friend Luka.

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« Reply #189 on: April 12, 2025, 05:29:11 PM »

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Every time I see this thread title in recent threads I want to vomit. Let?s do away with it.

Until/unless the Lakers get ousted in the playoffs, I am going to be in a panicked and distraught state. I can't believe they managed to get Luka for cents on the dollar. I know people will say they have no chance at a Title, but I'll believe it when I see it. And that also doesn't change the fact that they now have Luka for the next decade.

This is 100% how I feel. 

Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #190 on: April 15, 2025, 03:55:07 PM »

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 that Mavs CEO Rick Welts compared the Luka Dončić trade to the his former team Warriors trading Monta Ellis for Andrew Bogut in 2012.

Unbelievably out of touch.

Wow!!

Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #191 on: April 15, 2025, 04:19:16 PM »

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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #192 on: April 15, 2025, 06:25:46 PM »

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Harrison, along with new Mavs CEO Rick Welts, held an hourlong session Tuesday morning with a select group of Dallas-based media in which the trade of Doncic, 26, for a package headlined by 32-year-old perennial All-Star power forward Anthony Davis dominated the discussion.

"There's no regrets on the trade," said Harrison, whose only other media availability since the trade was a brief pregame session the following day in Cleveland. "Part of my job is to do the best thing for the Mavericks, not only today, but also in the future, and some of the decisions I'm going to make are going to be unpopular. That's my job, and I have to stand by it."

Well, the beauty of Dallas is it is a passionate fan base," Harrison said. "For us to reach our goals, we need that fan base. And to be honest with you, every trade I've made since I've been here has not been regarded as a good trade, and so sometimes it takes time. When I traded for Kyrie, it was met with a lot of skepticism and it was graded as a terrible trade and you didn't see it right away, but eventually everyone agreed that that was a great trade. When I traded for [Gafford] and [Washington] again, it was like, 'Oh, he gave up way too much. These guys aren't going to help us.' Now that trade, you saw the evidence a lot sooner. So I think a lot of times trades take a little bit of time.

"But our philosophy, like I said, going forward is defense wins championships and we're built on defense. And this trade cements us for that."


Did Harrison not believe that the core of last season's Finals team, with Doncic as the centerpiece, could contend for a title?

"I'll say this again: Defense wins championships," Harrison said.

The Mavs had the NBA's top-ranked defense for the final 20 games of last season. The Boston Celtics eliminated the Mavs in five games in the Finals, but defense wasn't Dallas' biggest problem in that series. The Mavs allowed 109.2 points per 100 possessions in the Finals, a defensive rating that would have ranked second in the league last regular season.

Harrison gave up control of the Mavs' first-round picks from 2027 through 2030 while making that series of successful trades, as well as the sign-and-trade deal for forward Grant Williams that didn't work out well. He has said that he believes he built a team for a "three- to four-year time frame" to contend with titles, although injuries ruined the Mavs' hopes this season.

"We believe in the move we made," Harrison said when asked how the logic of a time frame that ends as the team enters a stretch when it doesn't control its first-round picks is in the franchise's long-term best interests. "You obviously don't, and that's fine. You're entitled to your opinions, but we're excited. ... I think once we win, then that will change your mind."


Cuban was not consulted in the decision to trade Doncic, who had said that he planned to sign a five-year, $345 million supermax extension this summer to stay in Dallas long term. Neither was Hall of Famer Dirk Nowitzki, who has also publicly criticized the deal.

"First of all, nobody really knew about this trade," Harrison said. "It was very hush-hush, but you can't look for advice from people who aren't in the building at a constant basis. They're not going to understand what the team is going through day in and day out."



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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #193 on: April 15, 2025, 06:28:59 PM »

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Nico keeps saying that their philosophy is defense wins championships. So then why is Kyrie still on the team?  :laugh:

This guys is so full of it.
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Re: Luka to Lakers for AD
« Reply #194 on: April 22, 2025, 02:26:11 AM »

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Mike Curtis: Nico Harrison said he was not told by #Mavs governor Patrick Dumont that he had to trade Luka Doncic:

"Not at all. Patrick reminds me of the leadership that I had at Nike and a really good leader doesn't tell the people that work for him what to do. It's a collective, well thought out process to make a big move like that. Also, unfortunately, I'm super stubborn so someone telling me to do something doesn't work too well for me."

Can we end the new owner forcing Nico to trade Luka now?

Nico was driving the ship. He wanted to trade Luka. He chose who he wanted to trade Luka for (AD). He directed the whole thing.

The new ownership just signed off on his plan.