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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #585 on: January 06, 2025, 08:49:11 AM »

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Why did the Pats hire Mayo in the first place?  Was he set up as sort of an M.L. Carr figure?  I know that this year was always considered a "bridge" year; the team didn't spend much to improve in free agency, the focus was on the development of Maye, etc.  Was he ever meant to be the long-term coach, or was he simply an easy transition from the BB era?

And, why didn't they just hire Vrabel last year?


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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #586 on: January 06, 2025, 09:05:21 AM »

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Why did the Pats hire Mayo in the first place?  Was he set up as sort of an M.L. Carr figure?  I know that this year was always considered a "bridge" year; the team didn't spend much to improve in free agency, the focus was on the development of Maye, etc.  Was he ever meant to be the long-term coach, or was he simply an easy transition from the BB era?

And, why didn't they just hire Vrabel last year?

From what I've heard, 5 years ago we added a clause to his contract saying he would take over after Bill left. It seems like it would have been better for everyone (Mayo included) if we hadn't done that, though, because he clearly needs more seasoning.

The roster really has him set up to fail, too.
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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #587 on: January 06, 2025, 09:46:20 AM »

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Why did the Pats hire Mayo in the first place?  Was he set up as sort of an M.L. Carr figure?  I know that this year was always considered a "bridge" year; the team didn't spend much to improve in free agency, the focus was on the development of Maye, etc.  Was he ever meant to be the long-term coach, or was he simply an easy transition from the BB era?

And, why didn't they just hire Vrabel last year?

Kraft's stubborness and sense of loyalty.  The fact they didn't do a wholescale search after last season is looking dumber by the minute.  It was an idiotic strategy.


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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #588 on: January 06, 2025, 10:19:22 AM »

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Why did the Pats hire Mayo in the first place?  Was he set up as sort of an M.L. Carr figure?  I know that this year was always considered a "bridge" year; the team didn't spend much to improve in free agency, the focus was on the development of Maye, etc.  Was he ever meant to be the long-term coach, or was he simply an easy transition from the BB era?

And, why didn't they just hire Vrabel last year?

Apparently it was a gut feel from Robert after they went on an Israel trip together.

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It was Kraft who promised Mayo was the answer, Kraft who asked Patriot nation to join him in this leap of faith. Kraft who asked you to believe, as he did, more than five years ago, that Mayo was head coaching material. Kraft who insisted, despite zero head coaching experience at any level, that Mayo was the rightful successor to Belichick. Kraft who promised, from his time with Mayo on a trip to Israel years ago, that Mayo?s comportment and behavior showed the maturity and personality to be a leader of men.

Last January, on the day he gleefully introduced Mayo as his new head coach, Kraft bragged, ?I?ll just give you a little factoid. In the 30 years that we?ve owned the team, today ? so it?s really 31 ? this is the third coach that our family has hired. In that period, there have been 244 coaches hired in the NFL, which means an average of roughly eight coaches per team, which means there?s a turnover every 3? t years. We like to get continuity in our company, get the most competent people, and then try to build stability.?

He didn?t want to do it. He had no choice.

In the end, there was no case to be made for Mayo. Four wins, including the finale that actually cost the team the No. 1 overall pick in the draft. Fourth downs, where the first-year coach could not seem to decide what his approach would be, careening the occasionally bold (a la 2021 Dan Campbell in Detroit) to the blithely boring with nary an explanation beyond ?coach?s decision.?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/01/05/sports/robert-kraft-went-against-his-gut-instinct-he-had-no-choice-firing-coach-jerod-mayo/




And as @BitterJim said, Kraft was worried about losing Jerod to some rival team that he inserted language in his contract that basically guaranteed he would be Bill's successor, something Commish Roger Goodell said was "smart management".  :angel:

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Kraft had been concerned he might lose Mayo, so in 2023, he inserted language into his contract that made him Belichick's successor. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell later called the succession clause "smart management."

https://www.espn.com.au/nfl/story/_/id/43300017/patriots-fire-jerod-mayo-finishing-4-13-lone-season

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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #589 on: January 06, 2025, 10:26:09 AM »

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Clearly there was no other decision to make. He was in over his head. He might have eventually learned, but would Robert, the players, and the fans be prepared to continue to have these types of seasons as they slowly rebuild the team, try to attract good players, all the while giving Jerod the education he clearly needs? They've pretty much destroyed most of the equity they gained around the league and the country about the "Patriot Way" - which almost looks like the "Brady Way" now, really. You don't want to destroy all of it with more seasons like what we had, where we got worse over the season, not better.

It's not fair because obviously even when he was unhappy Brady still had a better team than this rolling circus that Mayo had to deal with, but this isn't the right franchise and the right time for him to learn how to be a competent coach. Better off cutting losses and finding the right coach, someone who can at least maximize limited talent than someone trying to figure it out as he goes.

Clearly Robert and the Patriots value continuity. Nobody wants to be in a perpetual hire-fire cycle, that's a recipe for mediocrity, not to mention you need to question your hiring processes if you seem to always get it wrong. But you also need to balance that desire for continuity, for giving people chances, with being able to recognize if you made a mistake or not. I think the proof is in the pudding in terms of that.

But if they are using Jerod as the lone scapegoat whose head had to roll, then that would also be a mistake. They need to get rid of everyone who contributed to this rolling circus, including people like Eliot Wolf, who was one of those responsible for putting this team together. They need to do a review top to bottom and clean all the trash out.
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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #590 on: January 06, 2025, 11:37:25 AM »

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Why did the Pats hire Mayo in the first place?  Was he set up as sort of an M.L. Carr figure?  I know that this year was always considered a "bridge" year; the team didn't spend much to improve in free agency, the focus was on the development of Maye, etc.  Was he ever meant to be the long-term coach, or was he simply an easy transition from the BB era?

And, why didn't they just hire Vrabel last year?

Apparently it was a gut feel from Robert after they went on an Israel trip together.

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It was Kraft who promised Mayo was the answer, Kraft who asked Patriot nation to join him in this leap of faith. Kraft who asked you to believe, as he did, more than five years ago, that Mayo was head coaching material. Kraft who insisted, despite zero head coaching experience at any level, that Mayo was the rightful successor to Belichick. Kraft who promised, from his time with Mayo on a trip to Israel years ago, that Mayo?s comportment and behavior showed the maturity and personality to be a leader of men.

Last January, on the day he gleefully introduced Mayo as his new head coach, Kraft bragged, ?I?ll just give you a little factoid. In the 30 years that we?ve owned the team, today ? so it?s really 31 ? this is the third coach that our family has hired. In that period, there have been 244 coaches hired in the NFL, which means an average of roughly eight coaches per team, which means there?s a turnover every 3? t years. We like to get continuity in our company, get the most competent people, and then try to build stability.?

He didn?t want to do it. He had no choice.

In the end, there was no case to be made for Mayo. Four wins, including the finale that actually cost the team the No. 1 overall pick in the draft. Fourth downs, where the first-year coach could not seem to decide what his approach would be, careening the occasionally bold (a la 2021 Dan Campbell in Detroit) to the blithely boring with nary an explanation beyond ?coach?s decision.?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/01/05/sports/robert-kraft-went-against-his-gut-instinct-he-had-no-choice-firing-coach-jerod-mayo/




And as @BitterJim said, Kraft was worried about losing Jerod to some rival team that he inserted language in his contract that basically guaranteed he would be Bill's successor, something Commish Roger Goodell said was "smart management".  :angel:

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Kraft had been concerned he might lose Mayo, so in 2023, he inserted language into his contract that made him Belichick's successor. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell later called the succession clause "smart management."

https://www.espn.com.au/nfl/story/_/id/43300017/patriots-fire-jerod-mayo-finishing-4-13-lone-season

The only way that would have worked out is if Bellichick was on board with it and mentored Mayo.  Let him on the secret sauce and whatnot.  But that was far from how it played out.
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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #591 on: January 06, 2025, 11:40:06 AM »

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Pats have put in a request to interview Ben Johnson.

Good to hear. Do an actual coaching search this time around. Even if Vrabel is the guy, at least go through the full process.
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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #592 on: January 06, 2025, 12:02:27 PM »

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The Krafts are already messing up. Seriously, how is Elliot Wolf still here. BTW, if he is still here, wouldn't he be part of the coaching search? And if the Krafts eventually replace Wolf this off-season, then the new GM wouldn't have hired his preferred head coach.

Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #593 on: January 06, 2025, 01:23:00 PM »

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Pats have put in a request to interview Ben Johnson.

Good to hear. Do an actual coaching search this time around. Even if Vrabel is the guy, at least go through the full process.

Typically job interviews are hard for candidates in life, but it sounds like the hiring companies (NFL) are having a hard time getting candidates and hires lol


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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #594 on: January 06, 2025, 01:37:10 PM »

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Kraft met with the media and basically said Wolf + Highsmith are staying here. And that probably also means the scouts, Matt Groh, etc. are staying too. Not a fan of that at all.

We've had a lot of bad drafts during the Belichick years too but these people were also involved too. Groh in particular raved and took credit for the Thornton and Polk picks in recent years (lol)
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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #595 on: January 06, 2025, 01:42:43 PM »

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Kraft met with the media and basically said Wolf + Highsmith are staying here. And that probably also means the scouts, Matt Groh, etc. are staying too. Not a fan of that at all.

We've had a lot of bad drafts during the Belichick years too but these people were also involved too. Groh in particular raved and took credit for the Thornton and Polk picks in recent years (lol)

Did you miss the part where Kraft mentioned the team changed the way they grade the draft.

I swear Kraft watched a different team than I did. Mayo's only issue wasn't lack of experience, but the severe lack of talent. Was Kraft sleeping when Elliot Wolf said the offensive line would be good?

Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #596 on: January 06, 2025, 01:54:58 PM »

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Kraft met with the media and basically said Wolf + Highsmith are staying here. And that probably also means the scouts, Matt Groh, etc. are staying too. Not a fan of that at all.

We've had a lot of bad drafts during the Belichick years too but these people were also involved too. Groh in particular raved and took credit for the Thornton and Polk picks in recent years (lol)

Did you miss the part where Kraft mentioned the team changed the way they grade the draft.

I swear Kraft watched a different team than I did. Mayo's only issue wasn't lack of experience, but the severe lack of talent. Was Kraft sleeping when Elliot Wolf said the offensive line would be good?

Lol I heard that.

I guess for him 'A' is awful and 'F' is fantastic  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #597 on: January 06, 2025, 02:34:07 PM »

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As a general idea, I think it's unfair to fire the coach of a rebuilding team after one year, especially when that team is largely devoid of legitimate talent. In the case of Mayo, however, I'm not sure he should've been hired in the first place, since his r?sum? was pretty thin on work experience that would point toward him being a good head coach, and then during the season he seemed to be in over his head.

Vrabel seems like a better option, but I think an equally critical issue is management?I don't think Wolf is particularly good at his job. The Pats need to get better at drafting, and the team needs to be willing to spend the money that it has available.

And yes, winning yesterday's game was a major screwup. Pats really shot themselves in the foot. Yeah, they can get a great player at No. 4, but getting the top pick would've opened up more (and better) trade offers from other teams?just as an example, the Pats probably could've traded the No. 1 for a somewhat-lower first plus one or two seconds and/or a third or fourth, or something along those lines. They could do something similar by trading the No. 4, but that doesn't carry as much clout as the No. 1.
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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #598 on: January 06, 2025, 03:16:13 PM »

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So i'm not outraged that Mayo was fired, there wasn't a lot of an affirmative case to keep him imo.

That said, I'm not sure why so many people seem to expect that the Patriots were going to be better this year. They were 4-13 in 2023 with Bill as the head coach, a man widely regarded as the GOAT of coaches. Maybe you could say he'd slipped, but I don't think he was a BAD coach. Its not like the Patriots made a bunch of huge roster moves, the team was very similar to the previous year except they started the season with Jacoby "can't throw the ball more than 10 yards" Brisset as the starting QB and traded Mathew Judon before the seaosn started. Talent wise, they were still pretty barren.

So maybe Mayo didn't add a ton of value, he also wasn't the problem imo. They just don't have a lot of talent. Hire whoever you want, if they don't get at least two o-lineman, a #1 receiver and some play makers on defense then they will struggle next year.

Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #599 on: January 06, 2025, 03:23:53 PM »

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Some names I'm seeing thrown around for the #4 pick if the Pats stand pat.

- Will Campbell OT, LSU
- Kelvin Banks OT, Texas
- Tetairoa McMillan WR, Arizona
- Travis Hunter CB/WR, Colorado


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