Patriots 2024 Season

[Neurotic Guy]

It's hard to watch the makeshift o line sell Maye down the river.

At least Gonzalez is amazing. He and Maye are the franchise at this point.

Becoming hard not to imagine Gonzalez and Hunter on the field together.

[Goldstar88]

Well, the running game has been solid overall. Passing game is horrific.

[Phantom255x]

LOL can't make this up. Maye passes to Boutte, Boutte catches it.... and then literally just juggles the ball a few times right into a Cardinals defender for an INT. Jesus.....

[SparzWizard]

Coming off a bye and the team getting stomped all over. Mayo and this coaching staff gotta go.

[ozgod]

Still on for No1? Every loss is a positive as far as I'm concerned 

[jpd985]

Still on for No1? Every loss is a positive as far as I'm concerned 

We need help from the Raiders and Giants. They each need to win 1 more game to give us a chance

[A Future of Stevens]

It's hard to watch the makeshift o line sell Maye down the river.

At least Gonzalez is amazing. He and Maye are the franchise at this point.

Becoming hard not to imagine Gonzalez and Hunter on the field together.

I am conflicted. I think Hunter is probably the best player in the draft. I also think it is unrealistic to expect him to play both positions full time. I think he is a better CB prospect than WR prospect, and we need a WR more than we need a CB who runs 5-10 plays on offense.

I think the best case scenario is trading down to that 5-8 area and taking a tackle or taking the WR from Arizona. Gives us more ammo to continue rebuilding.

Our three biggest needs are: 1.) tackles or talent on the oline. 2.) #1 or #2 receiver 3.) Difference maker on the edge.
I get the argument for taking the BPA that isn't a QB, but I just don't know if we should double down on CB. Especially considering Gonzalez and Hunter will be up for huge contracts within a few years of one another.

[Neurotic Guy]

Mayo sure is getting no love anywhere.  The latest trend seems to be that he's very likely to get another crack at it next year, while perhaps the coordinators (and maybe GM) are more on the hotseat.    I think most fans and it seems most of the talking heads have had enough of Mayo.   

I know that Mazzulla got a good deal of grief here in Year 1 and a fair amount for much of Year 2.  That died down massively after the championship, and while I think there are still a few dubious fans, I think most of us have come at least part way if not more toward thinking Joe is doing well and continuing to grow.   The Mayo experiment makes me wonder where we'd be with Joe if he was given an equivalently bad roster to what Mayo was handed in his Year 1... and in Year 2.  My guess is the C's would be struggling and Joe would be lambasted here daily.  And I doubt it he would have made it through Year 2.   It does suggest that maybe Jerrod deserves some time to develop.   But I'd hate to waste even one year of Maye if Mayo is definitely not the right guy.   He doesn't seem like the right guy to me, but I'd be more certain of that if he actually had a little more talent to work with. 

[Vermont Green]

Mayo sure is getting no love anywhere.  The latest trend seems to be that he's very likely to get another crack at it next year, while perhaps the coordinators (and maybe GM) are more on the hotseat.    I think most fans and it seems most of the talking heads have had enough of Mayo.   

I know that Mazzulla got a good deal of grief here in Year 1 and a fair amount for much of Year 2.  That died down massively after the championship, and while I think there are still a few dubious fans, I think most of us have come at least part way if not more toward thinking Joe is doing well and continuing to grow.   The Mayo experiment makes me wonder where we'd be with Joe if he was given an equivalently bad roster to what Mayo was handed in his Year 1... and in Year 2.  My guess is the C's would be struggling and Joe would be lambasted here daily.  And I doubt it he would have made it through Year 2.   It does suggest that maybe Jerrod deserves some time to develop.   But I'd hate to waste even one year of Maye if Mayo is definitely not the right guy.   He doesn't seem like the right guy to me, but I'd be more certain of that if he actually had a little more talent to work with.

I think you summed up the issue exactly.  It is impossible to know if Mayo is a bad coach after 1 season of coaching this team.  Impossible to know if he is a good coach either.  I think he is trying to mold himself after Mike Tomlin.  Not a bad plan.  How would Mike Tomlin do with this exact team?  Any better?  Maybe, but impossible to know for sure.

I am starting to lean away from Mayo.  I don't think all the problems are his fault, and I don't think another coach could have magically gotten many, if any, more wins out of this team.  But overall, I just don't get a great sense that he has command of things.  All that said, I don't think I would fire him.  I would give him another season, hopefully with some better OL personnel.

[Neurotic Guy]

It's hard to watch the makeshift o line sell Maye down the river.

At least Gonzalez is amazing. He and Maye are the franchise at this point.

Becoming hard not to imagine Gonzalez and Hunter on the field together.

I am conflicted. I think Hunter is probably the best player in the draft. I also think it is unrealistic to expect him to play both positions full time. I think he is a better CB prospect than WR prospect, and we need a WR more than we need a CB who runs 5-10 plays on offense.

I think the best case scenario is trading down to that 5-8 area and taking a tackle or taking the WR from Arizona. Gives us more ammo to continue rebuilding.

Our three biggest needs are: 1.) tackles or talent on the oline. 2.) #1 or #2 receiver 3.) Difference maker on the edge.
I get the argument for taking the BPA that isn't a QB, but I just don't know if we should double down on CB. Especially considering Gonzalez and Hunter will be up for huge contracts within a few years of one another.

One big factor will be if Pats are in control of the Hunter selection and then what type of trade can be generated.  It could very well be that if Pats don?t get the top pick that whoever does will take Hunter or will get a big offer to trade down.  Same of course if Pats pick 3.  Lower than that they lose Hunter or the chance for a big haul in trade.

[Vermont Green]

All the draft talk is that the Giants and Raiders will both want to take QBs if they are 1 and 2.  They definitely both need a QB, but I have no idea how much truth there is in the current talk.  If the Pats stay at 3, there is a good chance Hunter is available.

If I was the Giants or Raiders, and I like the top 2 QBs, I would not try to get cute, I would just take a QB.  Historically, there can be a trade market if the target is a QB, but less so for any other position.  I would not expect teams to offer big deals to move up for a WR, like you have seen in the past for teams to move up for a QB.   But you never know.

For the Pats, if Hunter is available, I would take him.  If not, take the best tackle available and move on.

[Amonkey]

Mayo sure is getting no love anywhere.  The latest trend seems to be that he's very likely to get another crack at it next year, while perhaps the coordinators (and maybe GM) are more on the hotseat.    I think most fans and it seems most of the talking heads have had enough of Mayo.   

I know that Mazzulla got a good deal of grief here in Year 1 and a fair amount for much of Year 2.  That died down massively after the championship, and while I think there are still a few dubious fans, I think most of us have come at least part way if not more toward thinking Joe is doing well and continuing to grow.   The Mayo experiment makes me wonder where we'd be with Joe if he was given an equivalently bad roster to what Mayo was handed in his Year 1... and in Year 2.  My guess is the C's would be struggling and Joe would be lambasted here daily.  And I doubt it he would have made it through Year 2.   It does suggest that maybe Jerrod deserves some time to develop.   But I'd hate to waste even one year of Maye if Mayo is definitely not the right guy.   He doesn't seem like the right guy to me, but I'd be more certain of that if he actually had a little more talent to work with.

I think you summed up the issue exactly.  It is impossible to know if Mayo is a bad coach after 1 season of coaching this team.  Impossible to know if he is a good coach either.  I think he is trying to mold himself after Mike Tomlin.  Not a bad plan.  How would Mike Tomlin do with this exact team?  Any better?  Maybe, but impossible to know for sure.

I am starting to lean away from Mayo.  I don't think all the problems are his fault, and I don't think another coach could have magically gotten many, if any, more wins out of this team.  But overall, I just don't get a great sense that he has command of things.  All that said, I don't think I would fire him.  I would give him another season, hopefully with some better OL personnel.

I?m on the same boat as you. I?m leaning away from him due to the penalties and the mistakes they have made, but this team was very close to some wins, especially earlier in the season. I don?t think there are 5 coaches that would have gotten more wins than they have this season (Reid, Tomlin, Payton?) and I think there are a lot more coaches that wouldn?t have gotten 3 wins and close to wins on other games. However, I don?t see a direction with this team yet.

[Donoghus]

Mayo sure is getting no love anywhere.  The latest trend seems to be that he's very likely to get another crack at it next year, while perhaps the coordinators (and maybe GM) are more on the hotseat.    I think most fans and it seems most of the talking heads have had enough of Mayo.   

I know that Mazzulla got a good deal of grief here in Year 1 and a fair amount for much of Year 2.  That died down massively after the championship, and while I think there are still a few dubious fans, I think most of us have come at least part way if not more toward thinking Joe is doing well and continuing to grow.   The Mayo experiment makes me wonder where we'd be with Joe if he was given an equivalently bad roster to what Mayo was handed in his Year 1... and in Year 2.  My guess is the C's would be struggling and Joe would be lambasted here daily.  And I doubt it he would have made it through Year 2.   It does suggest that maybe Jerrod deserves some time to develop.   But I'd hate to waste even one year of Maye if Mayo is definitely not the right guy.   He doesn't seem like the right guy to me, but I'd be more certain of that if he actually had a little more talent to work with.

I think you summed up the issue exactly.  It is impossible to know if Mayo is a bad coach after 1 season of coaching this team.  Impossible to know if he is a good coach either.  I think he is trying to mold himself after Mike Tomlin.  Not a bad plan.  How would Mike Tomlin do with this exact team?  Any better?  Maybe, but impossible to know for sure.

I am starting to lean away from Mayo.  I don't think all the problems are his fault, and I don't think another coach could have magically gotten many, if any, more wins out of this team.  But overall, I just don't get a great sense that he has command of things.  All that said, I don't think I would fire him.  I would give him another season, hopefully with some better OL personnel.

I?m on the same boat as you. I?m leaning away from him due to the penalties and the mistakes they have made, but this team was very close to some wins, especially earlier in the season. I don?t think there are 5 coaches that would have gotten more wins than they have this season (Reid, Tomlin, Payton?) and I think there are a lot more coaches that wouldn?t have gotten 3 wins and close to wins on other games. However, I don?t see a direction with this team yet.

Mayo is not the guy.  I think it's getting pretty apparent.  The Mayo/Wolf regime is not going to be the duo that turns this organization around.

[Phantom255x]

The entire operation is a mess.

Outside of Maye, Gonzalez and maybe a few others like Barmore/Henry/White this team is toast. And I'm saying that between players, coaches and front office COMBINED.

Like if Maye wasn't playing there'd be ZERO reason to even tune in. The coaching blows. The front office blows. The Krafts blow. And most of this roster blows. EVERYTHING blows.

[chicagoceltic]

This season is going about as well as I expected it to with this roster. I don?t care who is coaching, the Patriots are a bad team. This should not be a surprise to anyone.  Mayo may not be the guy but it?s impossible to tell in year one with this roster.