Patriots 2024 Season

[Goldstar88]

Calling it now, Mayo is not the guy. This team is undisciplined and the defensive scheme is garbage. Those are 2 things that no matter how pitiful our offense is, he should have control of.

Idk what he?ll be 10 years from now, but Mayo isn?t ready now. And Pats need someone ready for Drake Maye  over the next few years while he?s on rookie deal.  Pats can turn this around quickly with a smart off-season.

No coach in the league could win with this roster. The line makes mistakes because they are not NFL players, they are under constant collective duress, and can't get the reps together to function as a unit because they're not good enough to stay on the field.

This is what 7 years or so of bad drafting looks like. I don't know if Mayo will ever be a good coach. But right now he's in a nightmare situation not of his own making.

Exactly. It?s kinda funny how people make excuses for the offense because of lack of talent, but at the same time they want Mayo fired for the team not playing well. The offense which AVP is controlling can?t stay on the field, so the defense which Mayo?s leading is getting run into the ground.

[Larry for 3]

Mayo is not qualified to be a NFL head coach. Never coached at any level. He needs to go. Guy has no clue. AVP too. Horrible. This is a joke. The roster isn?t great.. But it?s better than this. Stop letting these terrible coaches off the hook. You can control discipline and game plans. These guys get outcoached every week. It?s embarrassing.

[Neurotic Guy]

Calling it now, Mayo is not the guy. This team is undisciplined and the defensive scheme is garbage. Those are 2 things that no matter how pitiful our offense is, he should have control of.

Idk what he?ll be 10 years from now, but Mayo isn?t ready now. And Pats need someone ready for Drake Maye  over the next few years while he?s on rookie deal.  Pats can turn this around quickly with a smart off-season.

No coach in the league could win with this roster. The line makes mistakes because they are not NFL players, they are under constant collective duress, and can't get the reps together to function as a unit because they're not good enough to stay on the field.

This is what 7 years or so of bad drafting looks like. I don't know if Mayo will ever be a good coach. But right now he's in a nightmare situation not of his own making.

Exactly. It?s kinda funny how people make excuses for the offense because of lack of talent, but at the same time they want Mayo fired for the team not playing well. The offense which AVP is controlling can?t stay on the field, so the defense which Mayo?s leading is getting run into the ground.

It?s a terrible roster but I want Mayo fired because he?s a green coach and I think Maye needs a seasoned coach. Obviously the bad roster makes things worse. The rookie deal window isn?t long and I think this team would benefit from someone more readily capable.  That said, I don?t think Mayo gets fired this off-season. 

[Goldstar88]

Calling it now, Mayo is not the guy. This team is undisciplined and the defensive scheme is garbage. Those are 2 things that no matter how pitiful our offense is, he should have control of.

Idk what he?ll be 10 years from now, but Mayo isn?t ready now. And Pats need someone ready for Drake Maye  over the next few years while he?s on rookie deal.  Pats can turn this around quickly with a smart off-season.

No coach in the league could win with this roster. The line makes mistakes because they are not NFL players, they are under constant collective duress, and can't get the reps together to function as a unit because they're not good enough to stay on the field.

This is what 7 years or so of bad drafting looks like. I don't know if Mayo will ever be a good coach. But right now he's in a nightmare situation not of his own making.

Exactly. It?s kinda funny how people make excuses for the offense because of lack of talent, but at the same time they want Mayo fired for the team not playing well. The offense which AVP is controlling can?t stay on the field, so the defense which Mayo?s leading is getting run into the ground.

It?s a terrible roster but I want Mayo fired because he?s a green coach and I think Maye needs a seasoned coach. Obviously the bad roster makes things worse. The rookie deal window isn?t long and I think this team would benefit from someone more readily capable.  That said, I don?t think Mayo gets fired this off-season.

Mayo isn?t coaching Maye and the offense. AVP is. So why would firing Jerod help Drake?

[Phantom255x]

Whether it was Belichick as GM, or Wolf currently, the reality is this roster lacks talent all around. In fact if it weren't for Maye I think there'd be zero excitement about this team, period.

They had a ton of cap space and did nothing last year besides bring back most of their own guys. And yeah it's early but Maye feels like the only "hit" so far in this Draft class.

I get that the coaching is subpar and not as experienced, but idk... they had Bill O'Brien last year as OC (tons of experience) and even he didn't seem to be able to do much, probably because guys were playing out of position and because there just wasn't much talent on the offense or the O-Line to protect the QB to even execute plays.

Even whenever we go up against bad teams like the Titans or Jaguars, those teams still have elite players that can make a difference (Simmons, BTJ, Ridley, etc.) while we don't. It's pretty sad.

[Vermont Green]

All this Mayo is horrible talk is so reminiscent of the Mazzulla talk.  Bottom 25 coach, then it was never win a title with Mazzulla, then it was they won in spite of him.  I said this about Mazzulla at the time and I think it is even more true about Mayo now, there is no way to know if Mayo is a good coach or not, based only on the first season.  12 games of coaching this team tells you nothing.  He might be a a bad coach, he might be fine, he might win a title someday.

A very realistic scenario is that we draft Will Campbell and he turns out to be a stud at LT.  Cole Strange comes back and plays above average at Center.  Caedan Wallace turns out to be just fine at RT.  Sow and Onwenu both play at a high level at guard.  And suddenly Mayo looks like a way better coach.

I have some concern on the defense.  We have lost some players and had some injuries.  At times the defense has been decent, but other times, we are just picked apart.  We have some holes in terms of personnel but it seems like it is more than that.  But again, one season, all new coaching staff, bad team in general, not sure if this is a true reflection on Mayo or not.  I would like to see Mayo coach with a better team and not with an entire coaching staff that is together for the first time, before giving up on him.

[Neurotic Guy]

Calling it now, Mayo is not the guy. This team is undisciplined and the defensive scheme is garbage. Those are 2 things that no matter how pitiful our offense is, he should have control of.

Idk what he?ll be 10 years from now, but Mayo isn?t ready now. And Pats need someone ready for Drake Maye  over the next few years while he?s on rookie deal.  Pats can turn this around quickly with a smart off-season.

No coach in the league could win with this roster. The line makes mistakes because they are not NFL players, they are under constant collective duress, and can't get the reps together to function as a unit because they're not good enough to stay on the field.

This is what 7 years or so of bad drafting looks like. I don't know if Mayo will ever be a good coach. But right now he's in a nightmare situation not of his own making.

Exactly. It?s kinda funny how people make excuses for the offense because of lack of talent, but at the same time they want Mayo fired for the team not playing well. The offense which AVP is controlling can?t stay on the field, so the defense which Mayo?s leading is getting run into the ground.

It?s a terrible roster but I want Mayo fired because he?s a green coach and I think Maye needs a seasoned coach. Obviously the bad roster makes things worse. The rookie deal window isn?t long and I think this team would benefit from someone more readily capable.  That said, I don?t think Mayo gets fired this off-season.

Mayo isn?t coaching Maye and the offense. AVP is. So why would firing Jerod help Drake?

Let?s be clear that this is just a perception, not a known.  I?m not in the locker room or practice field. I don?t know how players feel about him nor do I know how much knowledge he has.  My perception is that the Head Coach is learning on the job. The difference between Jerod Mayo and Joe Mazulla is that Joe had a championship contending team on day 1 and Jerod doesn?t. Jerod?s job is more complex - building a competent team from the foundation rather than riding a highly talented team while learning the ropes.  If Mayo were handed a  team with contending talent he?d be winning and might be fine. As it is, I just think a more experienced HC would be a better fit for this team and, yes, would be better for Maye.

[Larry for 3]

All this Mayo is horrible talk is so reminiscent of the Mazzulla talk.  Bottom 25 coach, then it was never win a title with Mazzulla, then it was they won in spite of him.  I said this about Mazzulla at the time and I think it is even more true about Mayo now, there is no way to know if Mayo is a good coach or not, based only on the first season.  12 games of coaching this team tells you nothing.  He might be a a bad coach, he might be fine, he might win a title someday.

A very realistic scenario is that we draft Will Campbell and he turns out to be a stud at LT.  Cole Strange comes back and plays above average at Center.  Caedan Wallace turns out to be just fine at RT.  Sow and Onwenu both play at a high level at guard.  And suddenly Mayo looks like a way better coach.

I have some concern on the defense.  We have lost some players and had some injuries.  At times the defense has been decent, but other times, we are just picked apart.  We have some holes in terms of personnel but it seems like it is more than that.  But again, one season, all new coaching staff, bad team in general, not sure if this is a true reflection on Mayo or not.  I would like to see Mayo coach with a better team and not with an entire coaching staff that is together for the first time, before giving up on him.

Disagree totally. Of all the major sports the NFL is most effected by coaching. A good coach can take a team less talented and beat a more talented team. Weather its scheme or strategy or just motivation, less talented team win games all the time. Coaching decisions matter hugel in the course of a game. Football isn?t the nba where you play the best players. The best team wins 99% of the time. Bad NFL coaches get schooled by good coaches all the time? then those coaches are out of job?- sometime after 1 year? sometimes mid season. Again this patriots team is getting out coached ever week and is  soooo undisciplined ? that?s on the coaches. They should be more competitive than they are. NFL coaches get fired very quickly. He?s next. And sure, you can put some of this on Kraft ? he doesn?t spend? but if a team continuously looks like garbage ?- that?s on the coach.

[BitterJim]

Calling it now, Mayo is not the guy. This team is undisciplined and the defensive scheme is garbage. Those are 2 things that no matter how pitiful our offense is, he should have control of.

Idk what he?ll be 10 years from now, but Mayo isn?t ready now. And Pats need someone ready for Drake Maye  over the next few years while he?s on rookie deal.  Pats can turn this around quickly with a smart off-season.

No coach in the league could win with this roster. The line makes mistakes because they are not NFL players, they are under constant collective duress, and can't get the reps together to function as a unit because they're not good enough to stay on the field.

This is what 7 years or so of bad drafting looks like. I don't know if Mayo will ever be a good coach. But right now he's in a nightmare situation not of his own making.

Exactly. It?s kinda funny how people make excuses for the offense because of lack of talent, but at the same time they want Mayo fired for the team not playing well. The offense which AVP is controlling can?t stay on the field, so the defense which Mayo?s leading is getting run into the ground.

It?s a terrible roster but I want Mayo fired because he?s a green coach and I think Maye needs a seasoned coach. Obviously the bad roster makes things worse. The rookie deal window isn?t long and I think this team would benefit from someone more readily capable.  That said, I don?t think Mayo gets fired this off-season.

Mayo isn?t coaching Maye and the offense. AVP is. So why would firing Jerod help Drake?

Let?s be clear that this is just a perception, not a known.  I?m not in the locker room or practice field. I don?t know how players feel about him nor do I know how much knowledge he has.  My perception is that the Head Coach is learning on the job. The difference between Jerod Mayo and Joe Mazulla is that Joe had a championship contending team on day 1 and Jerod doesn?t. Jerod?s job is more complex - building a competent team from the foundation rather than riding a highly talented team while learning the ropes.  If Mayo were handed a  team with contending talent he?d be winning and might be fine. As it is, I just think a more experienced HC would be a better fit for this team and, yes, would be better for Maye.

If we fire Mayo for being inexperienced just 1 year after hiring him (knowing full well that he was inexperienced), then what good coach would ever want to come here? What coach would believe Kraft when he said that they would have a few years to build something when he just proved that that isn't true? That's how you end up with the only interested coaches being bottom-of-the-barrel guys and reclamation projects, most of whole are probably worse than Mayo.

If Mayo doesn't show improvement next year, or completely loses the locker room, then you fire him. But firing him because the team sucks and he's inexperienced is dumb, we knew both of those things would be true when we hired him. He may not have been the right choice but he's our guy right now and ownership/the front office need to show a willingness to stand behind him.

"Hey we just fired the GOAT coach after a couple of bad seasons and then hired an inexperienced guy that we claimed to believe in before firing him immediately because he had a bad year. But don't worry, it'll be totally different with you!" - The Patriots, if Pat's fans get their way

[Larry for 3]

Calling it now, Mayo is not the guy. This team is undisciplined and the defensive scheme is garbage. Those are 2 things that no matter how pitiful our offense is, he should have control of.

Idk what he?ll be 10 years from now, but Mayo isn?t ready now. And Pats need someone ready for Drake Maye  over the next few years while he?s on rookie deal.  Pats can turn this around quickly with a smart off-season.

No coach in the league could win with this roster. The line makes mistakes because they are not NFL players, they are under constant collective duress, and can't get the reps together to function as a unit because they're not good enough to stay on the field.

This is what 7 years or so of bad drafting looks like. I don't know if Mayo will ever be a good coach. But right now he's in a nightmare situation not of his own making.

Exactly. It?s kinda funny how people make excuses for the offense because of lack of talent, but at the same time they want Mayo fired for the team not playing well. The offense which AVP is controlling can?t stay on the field, so the defense which Mayo?s leading is getting run into the ground.

It?s a terrible roster but I want Mayo fired because he?s a green coach and I think Maye needs a seasoned coach. Obviously the bad roster makes things worse. The rookie deal window isn?t long and I think this team would benefit from someone more readily capable.  That said, I don?t think Mayo gets fired this off-season.

Mayo isn?t coaching Maye and the offense. AVP is. So why would firing Jerod help Drake?

Let?s be clear that this is just a perception, not a known.  I?m not in the locker room or practice field. I don?t know how players feel about him nor do I know how much knowledge he has.  My perception is that the Head Coach is learning on the job. The difference between Jerod Mayo and Joe Mazulla is that Joe had a championship contending team on day 1 and Jerod doesn?t. Jerod?s job is more complex - building a competent team from the foundation rather than riding a highly talented team while learning the ropes.  If Mayo were handed a  team with contending talent he?d be winning and might be fine. As it is, I just think a more experienced HC would be a better fit for this team and, yes, would be better for Maye.

If we fire Mayo for being inexperienced just 1 year after hiring him (knowing full well that he was inexperienced), then what good coach would ever want to come here? What coach would believe Kraft when he said that they would have a few years to build something when he just proved that that isn't true? That's how you end up with the only interested coaches being bottom-of-the-barrel guys and reclamation projects, most of whole are probably worse than Mayo.

If Mayo doesn't show improvement next year, or completely loses the locker room, then you fire him. But firing him because the team sucks and he's inexperienced is dumb, we knew both of those things would be true when we hired him. He may not have been the right choice but he's our guy right now and ownership/the front office need to show a willingness to stand behind him.

"Hey we just fired the GOAT coach after a couple of bad seasons and then hired an inexperienced guy that we claimed to believe in before firing him immediately because he had a bad year. But don't worry, it'll be totally different with you!" - The Patriots, if Pat's fans get their way

You?re missing the point. With a better coach we?d have more wins than we do. We might even be more disciplined? and maybe make better decisions. I thought the point was to win. Guess pats fans are cool with losing and being irrelevant. Just ride it out I guess. Every year 5 or 6 coaches get fired, and it was a huge mistake hiring this guy IMO. Others want to give him more of a chance. I don?t, we?ll just disagree on it.

[Goldstar88]

Calling it now, Mayo is not the guy. This team is undisciplined and the defensive scheme is garbage. Those are 2 things that no matter how pitiful our offense is, he should have control of.

Idk what he?ll be 10 years from now, but Mayo isn?t ready now. And Pats need someone ready for Drake Maye  over the next few years while he?s on rookie deal.  Pats can turn this around quickly with a smart off-season.

No coach in the league could win with this roster. The line makes mistakes because they are not NFL players, they are under constant collective duress, and can't get the reps together to function as a unit because they're not good enough to stay on the field.

This is what 7 years or so of bad drafting looks like. I don't know if Mayo will ever be a good coach. But right now he's in a nightmare situation not of his own making.

Exactly. It?s kinda funny how people make excuses for the offense because of lack of talent, but at the same time they want Mayo fired for the team not playing well. The offense which AVP is controlling can?t stay on the field, so the defense which Mayo?s leading is getting run into the ground.

It?s a terrible roster but I want Mayo fired because he?s a green coach and I think Maye needs a seasoned coach. Obviously the bad roster makes things worse. The rookie deal window isn?t long and I think this team would benefit from someone more readily capable.  That said, I don?t think Mayo gets fired this off-season.

Mayo isn?t coaching Maye and the offense. AVP is. So why would firing Jerod help Drake?

Let?s be clear that this is just a perception, not a known.  I?m not in the locker room or practice field. I don?t know how players feel about him nor do I know how much knowledge he has.  My perception is that the Head Coach is learning on the job. The difference between Jerod Mayo and Joe Mazulla is that Joe had a championship contending team on day 1 and Jerod doesn?t. Jerod?s job is more complex - building a competent team from the foundation rather than riding a highly talented team while learning the ropes.  If Mayo were handed a  team with contending talent he?d be winning and might be fine. As it is, I just think a more experienced HC would be a better fit for this team and, yes, would be better for Maye.

If we fire Mayo for being inexperienced just 1 year after hiring him (knowing full well that he was inexperienced), then what good coach would ever want to come here? What coach would believe Kraft when he said that they would have a few years to build something when he just proved that that isn't true? That's how you end up with the only interested coaches being bottom-of-the-barrel guys and reclamation projects, most of whole are probably worse than Mayo.

If Mayo doesn't show improvement next year, or completely loses the locker room, then you fire him. But firing him because the team sucks and he's inexperienced is dumb, we knew both of those things would be true when we hired him. He may not have been the right choice but he's our guy right now and ownership/the front office need to show a willingness to stand behind him.

"Hey we just fired the GOAT coach after a couple of bad seasons and then hired an inexperienced guy that we claimed to believe in before firing him immediately because he had a bad year. But don't worry, it'll be totally different with you!" - The Patriots, if Pat's fans get their way

You?re missing the point. With a better coach we?d have more wins than we do. We might even be more disciplined? and maybe make better decisions. I thought the point was to win. Guess pats fans are cool with losing and being irrelevant. Just ride it out I guess. Every year 5 or 6 coaches get fired, and it was a huge mistake hiring this guy IMO. Others want to give him more of a chance. I don?t, we?ll just disagree on it.

Did you miss all of last season and the year before? 

[Larry for 3]

Calling it now, Mayo is not the guy. This team is undisciplined and the defensive scheme is garbage. Those are 2 things that no matter how pitiful our offense is, he should have control of.

Idk what he?ll be 10 years from now, but Mayo isn?t ready now. And Pats need someone ready for Drake Maye  over the next few years while he?s on rookie deal.  Pats can turn this around quickly with a smart off-season.

No coach in the league could win with this roster. The line makes mistakes because they are not NFL players, they are under constant collective duress, and can't get the reps together to function as a unit because they're not good enough to stay on the field.

This is what 7 years or so of bad drafting looks like. I don't know if Mayo will ever be a good coach. But right now he's in a nightmare situation not of his own making.

Exactly. It?s kinda funny how people make excuses for the offense because of lack of talent, but at the same time they want Mayo fired for the team not playing well. The offense which AVP is controlling can?t stay on the field, so the defense which Mayo?s leading is getting run into the ground.

It?s a terrible roster but I want Mayo fired because he?s a green coach and I think Maye needs a seasoned coach. Obviously the bad roster makes things worse. The rookie deal window isn?t long and I think this team would benefit from someone more readily capable.  That said, I don?t think Mayo gets fired this off-season.

Mayo isn?t coaching Maye and the offense. AVP is. So why would firing Jerod help Drake?

Let?s be clear that this is just a perception, not a known.  I?m not in the locker room or practice field. I don?t know how players feel about him nor do I know how much knowledge he has.  My perception is that the Head Coach is learning on the job. The difference between Jerod Mayo and Joe Mazulla is that Joe had a championship contending team on day 1 and Jerod doesn?t. Jerod?s job is more complex - building a competent team from the foundation rather than riding a highly talented team while learning the ropes.  If Mayo were handed a  team with contending talent he?d be winning and might be fine. As it is, I just think a more experienced HC would be a better fit for this team and, yes, would be better for Maye.

If we fire Mayo for being inexperienced just 1 year after hiring him (knowing full well that he was inexperienced), then what good coach would ever want to come here? What coach would believe Kraft when he said that they would have a few years to build something when he just proved that that isn't true? That's how you end up with the only interested coaches being bottom-of-the-barrel guys and reclamation projects, most of whole are probably worse than Mayo.

If Mayo doesn't show improvement next year, or completely loses the locker room, then you fire him. But firing him because the team sucks and he's inexperienced is dumb, we knew both of those things would be true when we hired him. He may not have been the right choice but he's our guy right now and ownership/the front office need to show a willingness to stand behind him.

"Hey we just fired the GOAT coach after a couple of bad seasons and then hired an inexperienced guy that we claimed to believe in before firing him immediately because he had a bad year. But don't worry, it'll be totally different with you!" - The Patriots, if Pat's fans get their way

You?re missing the point. With a better coach we?d have more wins than we do. We might even be more disciplined? and maybe make better decisions. I thought the point was to win. Guess pats fans are cool with losing and being irrelevant. Just ride it out I guess. Every year 5 or 6 coaches get fired, and it was a huge mistake hiring this guy IMO. Others want to give him more of a chance. I don?t, we?ll just disagree on it.

Did you miss all of last season and the year before? 

Nope. Bill needed to go. He was done. It was bad for awhile. He shoulda been gone the second he put judge and Patricia on offense. This looks a lot like Rod Rust and Dick McPherson if you remember that.

[Neurotic Guy]

Calling it now, Mayo is not the guy. This team is undisciplined and the defensive scheme is garbage. Those are 2 things that no matter how pitiful our offense is, he should have control of.

Idk what he?ll be 10 years from now, but Mayo isn?t ready now. And Pats need someone ready for Drake Maye  over the next few years while he?s on rookie deal.  Pats can turn this around quickly with a smart off-season.

No coach in the league could win with this roster. The line makes mistakes because they are not NFL players, they are under constant collective duress, and can't get the reps together to function as a unit because they're not good enough to stay on the field.

This is what 7 years or so of bad drafting looks like. I don't know if Mayo will ever be a good coach. But right now he's in a nightmare situation not of his own making.

Exactly. It?s kinda funny how people make excuses for the offense because of lack of talent, but at the same time they want Mayo fired for the team not playing well. The offense which AVP is controlling can?t stay on the field, so the defense which Mayo?s leading is getting run into the ground.

It?s a terrible roster but I want Mayo fired because he?s a green coach and I think Maye needs a seasoned coach. Obviously the bad roster makes things worse. The rookie deal window isn?t long and I think this team would benefit from someone more readily capable.  That said, I don?t think Mayo gets fired this off-season.

Mayo isn?t coaching Maye and the offense. AVP is. So why would firing Jerod help Drake?

Let?s be clear that this is just a perception, not a known.  I?m not in the locker room or practice field. I don?t know how players feel about him nor do I know how much knowledge he has.  My perception is that the Head Coach is learning on the job. The difference between Jerod Mayo and Joe Mazulla is that Joe had a championship contending team on day 1 and Jerod doesn?t. Jerod?s job is more complex - building a competent team from the foundation rather than riding a highly talented team while learning the ropes.  If Mayo were handed a  team with contending talent he?d be winning and might be fine. As it is, I just think a more experienced HC would be a better fit for this team and, yes, would be better for Maye.

If we fire Mayo for being inexperienced just 1 year after hiring him (knowing full well that he was inexperienced), then what good coach would ever want to come here? What coach would believe Kraft when he said that they would have a few years to build something when he just proved that that isn't true? That's how you end up with the only interested coaches being bottom-of-the-barrel guys and reclamation projects, most of whole are probably worse than Mayo.

If Mayo doesn't show improvement next year, or completely loses the locker room, then you fire him. But firing him because the team sucks and he's inexperienced is dumb, we knew both of those things would be true when we hired him. He may not have been the right choice but he's our guy right now and ownership/the front office need to show a willingness to stand behind him.

"Hey we just fired the GOAT coach after a couple of bad seasons and then hired an inexperienced guy that we claimed to believe in before firing him immediately because he had a bad year. But don't worry, it'll be totally different with you!" - The Patriots, if Pat's fans get their way

Of course they won?t fire him. The answer to the question of who would come here I think is any coach confident enough to believe they know how to coach teams to wins.  Kraft admitting it wasn?t a good match of coach to team is what every owner has to suck up whenever they fire a coach. Every owner should know what they?re getting into - and every owner thinks they do. Yet every year first and second year coaches are fired.  Mayo will be the coach next season and I hope he does well.  Mostly I hope we don?t blow a year of Maye?s career.

[Goldstar88]

Calling it now, Mayo is not the guy. This team is undisciplined and the defensive scheme is garbage. Those are 2 things that no matter how pitiful our offense is, he should have control of.

Idk what he?ll be 10 years from now, but Mayo isn?t ready now. And Pats need someone ready for Drake Maye  over the next few years while he?s on rookie deal.  Pats can turn this around quickly with a smart off-season.

No coach in the league could win with this roster. The line makes mistakes because they are not NFL players, they are under constant collective duress, and can't get the reps together to function as a unit because they're not good enough to stay on the field.

This is what 7 years or so of bad drafting looks like. I don't know if Mayo will ever be a good coach. But right now he's in a nightmare situation not of his own making.

Exactly. It?s kinda funny how people make excuses for the offense because of lack of talent, but at the same time they want Mayo fired for the team not playing well. The offense which AVP is controlling can?t stay on the field, so the defense which Mayo?s leading is getting run into the ground.

It?s a terrible roster but I want Mayo fired because he?s a green coach and I think Maye needs a seasoned coach. Obviously the bad roster makes things worse. The rookie deal window isn?t long and I think this team would benefit from someone more readily capable.  That said, I don?t think Mayo gets fired this off-season.

Mayo isn?t coaching Maye and the offense. AVP is. So why would firing Jerod help Drake?

Let?s be clear that this is just a perception, not a known.  I?m not in the locker room or practice field. I don?t know how players feel about him nor do I know how much knowledge he has.  My perception is that the Head Coach is learning on the job. The difference between Jerod Mayo and Joe Mazulla is that Joe had a championship contending team on day 1 and Jerod doesn?t. Jerod?s job is more complex - building a competent team from the foundation rather than riding a highly talented team while learning the ropes.  If Mayo were handed a  team with contending talent he?d be winning and might be fine. As it is, I just think a more experienced HC would be a better fit for this team and, yes, would be better for Maye.

If we fire Mayo for being inexperienced just 1 year after hiring him (knowing full well that he was inexperienced), then what good coach would ever want to come here? What coach would believe Kraft when he said that they would have a few years to build something when he just proved that that isn't true? That's how you end up with the only interested coaches being bottom-of-the-barrel guys and reclamation projects, most of whole are probably worse than Mayo.

If Mayo doesn't show improvement next year, or completely loses the locker room, then you fire him. But firing him because the team sucks and he's inexperienced is dumb, we knew both of those things would be true when we hired him. He may not have been the right choice but he's our guy right now and ownership/the front office need to show a willingness to stand behind him.

"Hey we just fired the GOAT coach after a couple of bad seasons and then hired an inexperienced guy that we claimed to believe in before firing him immediately because he had a bad year. But don't worry, it'll be totally different with you!" - The Patriots, if Pat's fans get their way

You?re missing the point. With a better coach we?d have more wins than we do. We might even be more disciplined? and maybe make better decisions. I thought the point was to win. Guess pats fans are cool with losing and being irrelevant. Just ride it out I guess. Every year 5 or 6 coaches get fired, and it was a huge mistake hiring this guy IMO. Others want to give him more of a chance. I don?t, we?ll just disagree on it.

Did you miss all of last season and the year before? 

Nope. Bill needed to go. He was done. It was bad for awhile. He shoulda been gone the second he put judge and Patricia on offense. This looks a lot like Rod Rust and Dick McPherson if you remember that.

Bill needed to go because he was a bad GM. He put the Pats back years with his poor drafting, especially on offense. The team has very little talent overall and switching the coach isn?t going to change that. Pats need to draft better and Kraft needs to stop being so cheap when it comes to spending on free agents.

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We can always try and pry Kyle Shanahan from SF. Mike Vrabel is also available.