Patriots 2024 Season

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Well, at least we get to look forward to this.

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/mock_draft

Oh gosh, not a wide receiver. I don't trust the front office to get that right.

I just meant the draft in general. The Pats never end up picking the player that the mocks have them pegged to pick anyway. If they did, could have had Deebo, AJ Brown or Metcalf. Or McConkey instead of Polk. 

Gotcha. I do like seeing New England high on that list.

[Neurotic Guy]

Among the complaints I have with a young rookie coach with a low talent roster is that he?s not getting enough practice in end of game, clock management situations.  He hasn?t done particularly well with challenges and strategic moments - whether to go on 4th down.   The culture is a low risk one, certainly in part due to lack of talent.  Choosing to kick a near impossible FG in the cold yesterday over a somewhat less impossible Hail Mary is pretty questionable (at best). Having a feasible game plan with timeouts and 12 seconds was something I think experience teaches.  He had a chance for two underneath or sideline plays to get into legit FG range.   Idk if it?s on AVP rather than Mayo but if the HC is deferring to his OC in that situation, that doesn?t sound good to me.   There are things you learn only from being in situations where you are the decision maker and Mayo doesn?t have that experience. And with his team as dismal as they are, he?s not getting enough practice at high pressure decision making.   Given that our window with Maye on a rookie deal is limited, I?d love the Krafts to be taking a look at who might be available and go ahead with making big coaching changes if the right head guy is possible.  I think Mayo might be great down the line but probably not before Maye is making big bucks.

[Neurotic Guy]

Jets play Jags tomorrow at 1.  Both 3-10.  Wanting best Pats draft pick - is there a reason to root for either Jets or Jags?  Or is it an equal outcome either way assuming there won?t be a tie - and Pats lose.

[SparzWizard]

Jets play Jags tomorrow at 1.  Both 3-10.  Wanting best Pats draft pick - is there a reason to root for either Jets or Jags?  Or is it an equal outcome either way assuming there won?t be a tie - and Pats lose.

Rooting for tie is best. Otherwise, I think rooting for Jets would make sense? Sure they split the series with us but Jags beaten us already so they would lose any tanking tiebreakers with Pats.

Def need Oakland and Giants to win tomorrow tho

[Vermont Green]

In situations where teams finished the previous season with identical records, the determination of draft position is decided by strength of schedule, the aggregate winning percentage of a team's opponents. The team that played the schedule with the lowest winning percentage will be awarded the higher pick.

If the teams have the same strength of schedule, division or conference tiebreakers are applied. If the divisional or conference tiebreakers are not applicable, or ties still exist between teams of different conferences, ties will be broken the following tie-breaking method:

Head-to-head, if applicable
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games (minimum of four)
Strength of victory in all games
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed in all games
Best net points in all games
Best net touchdowns in all games
Coin toss

Above are the draft order tie breaking rules.  The primary decider is strength of schedule.  Head to Head does not come in to play until later down the list.

From that perspective, the Pats have the weakest SOS to date of the teams in the draft hunt, and that is why they currently would get the highest pick of the 3-win teams.  The values below are from Tankathon and the SOS is based on the current 17 game projection, so can change.  Based on SOS, it is better for the Jags to win.

Pick     Team            W-L    SOS
 1     Las Vegas        2-11   0.541
 2     NY Giants        2-11   0.543
 3     New England    3-10   0.462
 4     Carolina           3-10   0.484
 5     Jacksonville      3-10   0.489
 6     Tennessee        3-10   0.511
 7     NY Jets            3-10   0.516
 8     Cleveland        3-10   0.525

[Redz]

In situations where teams finished the previous season with identical records, the determination of draft position is decided by strength of schedule, the aggregate winning percentage of a team's opponents. The team that played the schedule with the lowest winning percentage will be awarded the higher pick.

If the teams have the same strength of schedule, division or conference tiebreakers are applied. If the divisional or conference tiebreakers are not applicable, or ties still exist between teams of different conferences, ties will be broken the following tie-breaking method:

Head-to-head, if applicable
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games (minimum of four)
Strength of victory in all games
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed in all games
Best net points in all games
Best net touchdowns in all games
Coin toss

Above are the draft order tie breaking rules.  The primary decider is strength of schedule.  Head to Head does not come in to play until later down the list.

From that perspective, the Pats have the weakest SOS to date of the teams in the draft hunt, and that is why they currently would get the highest pick of the 3-win teams.  The values below are from Tankathon and the SOS is based on the current 17 game projection, so can change.  Based on SOS, it is better for the Jags to win.

Pick     Team            W-L    SOS
 1     Las Vegas        2-11   0.541
 2     NY Giants        2-11   0.543
 3     New England    3-10   0.462
 4     Carolina           3-10   0.484
 5     Jacksonville      3-10   0.489
 6     Tennessee        3-10   0.511
 7     NY Jets            3-10   0.516
 8     Cleveland        3-10   0.525

This seems like an area where they could implement some sort of slight anti-tanking measure.  Like make the difference to the stronger strength of schedule or head to head or point differential etc?

[Vermont Green]

In looking at the games today, there is the Jets/Jags, so one 3-win team will win (barring a tie).  Then, in looking at DAL/CAR, CAR is actually favored at home.  So that could take out another 3 win team.  CIN/TEN could be a win for TEN at home although CIN is favored -5.5.

As to the pick, we probably don't stay at #3 but if we do, and Travis Hunter is available, I am good with taking him (I generally would not pick a WR that high).  I see OL as a more urgent need but it is probably easier to address OL in FA than it is to address WR in FA.  So draft the stud WR if it works out that way and then address OL in other ways (FA, later picks).

I do think that in the long run, getting the best OT in the draft is generally going to be more long term value than getting the best WR but in this case and in this potential position, getting the WR might be the right thing to do.

[Vermont Green]

Is Cole Strange going to play today?  He is active I believe.  What is going to be the OL today, move Onwenu to one of the Tackles, Strange at LG?  I would love to see Strange get some time at Center, keep Onwenu at Guard.  Then get Wallace back for one tackle and draft/FA another Tackle and the line next season is pretty solid.

There has been talk of Strange at Center but I have not heard what the plan is of today/rest of this season.

[Phantom255x]

Is Cole Strange going to play today?  He is active I believe.  What is going to be the OL today, move Onwenu to one of the Tackles, Strange at LG?  I would love to see Strange get some time at Center, keep Onwenu at Guard.  Then get Wallace back for one tackle and draft/FA another Tackle and the line next season is pretty solid.

There has been talk of Strange at Center but I have not heard what the plan is of today/rest of this season.

Strange is inactive today.

Long term though, it'd be huge if he could become our starting center once Andrews retires. Have him as starting C, and Ben Brown as the backup.

You obviously need to add two more O-Lineman in the offseason (ideally a LT as one of them), but if you can do that while having Onwenu, Sow, Robinson, Wallace and Strange in the mix I actually think our O-Line can be pretty good.

I think our biggest issue has been the tackles and edge running because of it, which makes sense because Elliott Wolf did nothing to fix it and one of his "fixes" was Okorafor who played like 10 snaps and then seemed to just quit football all together lol. Wallace unfortunately got hurt too but they just didn't have viable tackles this year. Even Lowe missed time.

[SparzWizard]

Well don't look now, but the Jets/Jax game might go into OT. A chance for a tie may be possible!!

Jags ball with 2-minute warning, at NYJ 25.

[Phantom255x]

We went from having Vinatieri to Gostkowski to Folk. All reliable.

Unfortunately since then we've had Ryland who blew, and now Slye who honestly hasn't been that good either. Another FG miss.

[SparzWizard]

We went from having Vinatieri to Gostkowski to Folk. All reliable.

Unfortunately since then we've had Ryland who blew, and now Slye who honestly hasn't been that good either. Another FG miss.

Ryland kicked us out of a top 2 pick, and Slye is in the down years of the Patriots. As long as his misses helps with the tanking I'm all for it

[Phantom255x]

Vedarian Lowe. The sorriest excuse of a tackle that I've ever seen (along with Marshall Newhouse)

I might switch to Bills-Lions very soon.

Love Maye but my worry is this front office and ownership won't do enough to surround him and it'll become a Burrow-like situation with the Bengals as we're seeing unfold too

[Phantom255x]

Jonathan Kraft looks ticked in the owner's box.

WHAT THE F are you mad about?? Went into the year with nearly 50M in cap space, this roster has no talent. They are lucky Maye fell to them at #3 otherwise this is such an irrelevant franchise right now. And I have no confidence they even care nor will they spend what it'll take to support Maye

[A Future of Stevens]

It's hard to watch the makeshift o line sell Maye down the river.

At least Gonzalez is amazing. He and Maye are the franchise at this point.