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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #195 on: September 06, 2024, 05:59:15 PM »

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The best bet is that none of the big names getting thrown around right now wind up having any part in buying the Celtics.

And, fwiw, there are no ethical billionaires. The act of that kind of wealth hoarding is inherently unethical.
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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #196 on: September 13, 2024, 10:03:41 PM »

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https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/business/dispute-between-father-son-boston-celtics-owners-over-teams-massive-payroll-sparked-sale-sources/

The Boston Celtics? ballooning payroll allegedly sparked a rift within the family that owns the team ? leading the aging patriarch to demand his free-spending son sell the iconic franchise, The Post has learned. 

Irving Grousbeck, a 90-year-old Massachusetts-born entrepreneur who owns a controlling roughly 20% stake in the team, balked at funding big losses on the horizon from the massive contracts that helped the Celtics capture a record 18th NBA championship in June, multiple sources told The Post.

To win that title, his 63-year-old son Wyc Grousbeck put together the league?s priciest roster ? one that is projected to cost around $500 million for the 2025-26 season after shelling out big-buck contracts this summer to lock up its stars.

Wyc Grousbeck ? who owns a roughly 3% stake but is the front-facing owner ? announced the surprise decision to put his beloved hometown team up for sale shortly after hoisting the NBA trophy.

?That?s what happens when dad puts in most of the money,? one of the sources said.

The team barely broke even last season during its championship run, sources said.

It is expected to lose roughly $80 million because of luxury tax fines for being over the salary cap for the upcoming season that tips off next month, a source close to the sale process said.

That figure likely will rise significantly in the 2025-26 season when harsher salary cap fines kick in.

The 11 players under contract ? including stars Jayson Tatum, who got the NBA?s richest ever contract this summer, and Jrue Holiday, who also got a new deal, are due $225 million ? putting the team on the hook for a $280 million luxury tax penalty, according to ESPN.

?Wyc says we?ll spend whatever it takes, but dad wasn?t into losing money,? another source said.

The Grousbecks have contended their selling the team for ?estate planning purposes? when they made the stunning announcement.

Wyc Grousbeck reiterated that statement in speaking for the family, he said, when reached by The Post on Friday.

?The Grousbeck family is selling the team for estate and family planning considerations. To say the sale is in any way related  to losses is completely incorrect,? he insisted.

?There has not been a capital call from ownership, or any additional investment of any kind, in the 22 years since Boston Basketball Partners bought the team and we don?t anticipate there being one.?

Irving Grousbeck did not return calls and e-mails seeking comment.

The hallowed franchise of Red Auerbach, Bill Russell and Larry Bird was sold for $360 million in 2003 to the group led by Irving Grousbeck, a Harvard Business School graduate and Stanford University lecturer.

But part of the current financial difficulties is that they don?t own the Celtics? home arena TD Garden, so they do not collect revenue from concerts and other events that would help offset losses, sources said.

The projected losses and lack of an arena to throw into the deal could make prospective buyers hesitant to shell out the $6 billion price tag the NBA reportedly wants the team to fetch as it looks to set a high bar for an expansion franchise in Las Vegas.

?This will be very interesting because the economics are not there,? one of the sources said.

?The Celts getting $6 billion is going to be difficult,? another source said. ?It should be more like $5 billion.?

The Dallas Mavericks, who lost to Boston in the NBA Finals, sold for $3.5 billion last year.

That was short of the current-high $4 billion Mat Ishbia paid to buy the Phoenix Suns in 2022.

Earlier this week, ex-Milwaukee Bucks great Junior Bridgeman reportedly bought a 10% stake in his former team at a $4 billion valuation.

The proposed plan for the Celtics sale is a compromise between father and son in which they fork over a 51% stake in the next few months and then the rest in 2028.

Wyc Grousbeck would remain the controlling owner until the sale is complete.

Their bankers JPMorgan and BDT & MSD Partners have yet to distribute sales books, sources said.

The Post reported exclusively that Fenway Sports Group, owners of the Red Sox, are interested.

So is Stephen Pagliuca, the co-chairman of private equity giant Bain Capital who owns a little over 20% of the team, sources said.

NBA Commissioner Adam Silver does not like sales that happen in steps but indicated he would make an exception for this auction.

?We?ve said [to the Celtics] present to us what you?re considering and we?ll look at it on a unique basis. I think every one of these situations presents itself differently,? Silver said on Tuesday.








Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #197 on: September 13, 2024, 10:29:00 PM »

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The team barely broke even last season during its championship run, sources said.

It is expected to lose roughly $80 million because of luxury tax fines for being over the salary cap for the upcoming season that tips off next month, a source close to the sale process said.

That figure likely will rise significantly in the 2025-26 season when harsher salary cap fines kick in.

The 11 players under contract ? including stars Jayson Tatum, who got the NBA?s richest ever contract this summer, and Jrue Holiday, who also got a new deal, are due $225 million ? putting the team on the hook for a $280 million luxury tax penalty, according to ESPN.

?Wyc says we?ll spend whatever it takes, but dad wasn?t into losing money,? another source said.

Goes to show that even if you mint a championship winner it's not a guarantee to print money. Those luxury tax penalties can get really punitive, especially once the repeater tax kicks in.

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But part of the current financial difficulties is that they don?t own the Celtics? home arena TD Garden, so they do not collect revenue from concerts and other events that would help offset losses, sources said.

The projected losses and lack of an arena to throw into the deal could make prospective buyers hesitant to shell out the $6 billion price tag the NBA reportedly wants the team to fetch as it looks to set a high bar for an expansion franchise in Las Vegas.

?This will be very interesting because the economics are not there,? one of the sources said.

I was thinking that if they do want the new owners to build a stadium, you're talking a total cost closer to $7.5bn...Chase in SF cost $1.5bn to build. I'm sure they will get some government money to help with it, and they can defray the cost by selling naming rights and suites, but Boston ain't San Fran, no rich tech guys to splurge on that stuff.
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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #198 on: September 14, 2024, 02:40:30 AM »

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"The Post reported exclusively that Fenway Sports Group, owners of the Red Sox, are interested."

Please tell me this is not the owner who has allowed talent to leave the Red Sox resulting in the team falling out of serious World Series contention, John Henry ?
I thought his name had been ruled out at some point weeks ago.

If Henry does buy the team, it will confirm that the "Bias Curse" is still active................
The long drought after '86 caused by the shocking deaths of the two future championship foundations that Red skillfully acquired, Len Bias and Reggie Lewis, the bumbling hires of mostly failed coaches in the mid-to-late 90's topped off by Rick Pitino, the promise of more titles cut short at one by Kevin Garnett's knee injury in 2009 and an obvious screw-job in the 2010 final's final quarter, then finally, after losing a promising young head coach due to bizarre circumstances, we still finally break through to win another title, one of our best ownership groups is forced to sell the team because of the NBA's player's/owner's/commissioner's ridiculous penalties handed out to franchises doing a great job constructing their team through the draft, selective trades and player development.

Forgive my long rant, this is so frustrating and depressing to me.
« Last Edit: September 14, 2024, 03:15:14 AM by tenn_smoothie »
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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #199 on: September 14, 2024, 11:15:48 AM »

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I know the team doesn?t have the luxury of owning the arena or (as far as I know) collecting on concessions but the accountant in me is still struggling to see how the team ?barely broke even? last year. Would love to drill into those financials


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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #200 on: September 14, 2024, 11:31:02 AM »

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"The Post reported exclusively that Fenway Sports Group, owners of the Red Sox, are interested."

Please tell me this is not the owner who has allowed talent to leave the Red Sox resulting in the team falling out of serious World Series contention, John Henry ?
I thought his name had been ruled out at some point weeks ago.

If Henry does buy the team, it will confirm that the "Bias Curse" is still active................
The long drought after '86 caused by the shocking deaths of the two future championship foundations that Red skillfully acquired, Len Bias and Reggie Lewis, the bumbling hires of mostly failed coaches in the mid-to-late 90's topped off by Rick Pitino, the promise of more titles cut short at one by Kevin Garnett's knee injury in 2009 and an obvious screw-job in the 2010 final's final quarter, then finally, after losing a promising young head coach due to bizarre circumstances, we still finally break through to win another title, one of our best ownership groups is forced to sell the team because of the NBA's player's/owner's/commissioner's ridiculous penalties handed out to franchises doing a great job constructing their team through the draft, selective trades and player development.

Forgive my long rant, this is so frustrating and depressing to me.

Henry won 4 rings. The Celtics just won the championship. What is so frustrating and depressing?
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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #201 on: September 14, 2024, 01:57:47 PM »

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I know the team doesn?t have the luxury of owning the arena or (as far as I know) collecting on concessions but the accountant in me is still struggling to see how the team ?barely broke even? last year. Would love to drill into those financials

It's called "Hollywood Accounting"

Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #202 on: September 14, 2024, 02:27:30 PM »

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I know the team doesn?t have the luxury of owning the arena or (as far as I know) collecting on concessions but the accountant in me is still struggling to see how the team ?barely broke even? last year. Would love to drill into those financials

It's called "Hollywood Accounting"

Yeah, definitely suspect some creative shenanigans if this story is true.


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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #203 on: September 14, 2024, 11:33:21 PM »

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"The Post reported exclusively that Fenway Sports Group, owners of the Red Sox, are interested."

Please tell me this is not the owner who has allowed talent to leave the Red Sox resulting in the team falling out of serious World Series contention, John Henry ?
I thought his name had been ruled out at some point weeks ago.

If Henry does buy the team, it will confirm that the "Bias Curse" is still active................
The long drought after '86 caused by the shocking deaths of the two future championship foundations that Red skillfully acquired, Len Bias and Reggie Lewis, the bumbling hires of mostly failed coaches in the mid-to-late 90's topped off by Rick Pitino, the promise of more titles cut short at one by Kevin Garnett's knee injury in 2009 and an obvious screw-job in the 2010 final's final quarter, then finally, after losing a promising young head coach due to bizarre circumstances, we still finally break through to win another title, one of our best ownership groups is forced to sell the team because of the NBA's player's/owner's/commissioner's ridiculous penalties handed out to franchises doing a great job constructing their team through the draft, selective trades and player development.

Forgive my long rant, this is so frustrating and depressing to me.

Henry won 4 rings. The Celtics just won the championship. What is so frustrating and depressing?

The fact that the Red Sox ownership have allowed their championship-level talent to leave apparently not wanting to pay for a winner.
After Wyc/Stevens have worked so hard to construct the league's best roster, I don't want to see some cheap owner allow it to fall apart.
Owning the Boston Celtics should be about winning first, making money second.
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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #204 on: September 14, 2024, 11:38:04 PM »

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By the way, is John Henry the guy depicted as the Red Sox owner in the movie "Moneyball" with Brad Pitt ?
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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #205 on: September 15, 2024, 12:38:36 AM »

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By the way, is John Henry the guy depicted as the Red Sox owner in the movie "Moneyball" with Brad Pitt ?

Yeah, I think so. Asking Pitt about scarves for his wife.

I get the Henry concerns. I share them as well.

I'm just confused about Wyc. I thought he was cheap. The Celtics win and now we want to keep him?
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« Reply #206 on: September 15, 2024, 12:55:41 AM »

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By the way, is John Henry the guy depicted as the Red Sox owner in the movie "Moneyball" with Brad Pitt ?

Yeah, I think so. Asking Pitt about scarves for his wife.

I get the Henry concerns. I share them as well.

I'm just confused about Wyc. I thought he was cheap. The Celtics win and now we want to keep him?

I share your confusion. Wyc gained a bad reputation for allowing trade exceptions to expire and for generally not going the extra mile to improve the roster. I don't know, maybe he finally recognized how close we were to a title and went all in knowing the fans would burn him at the stake otherwise.

Yes, except it was a scarf for his secretary and Billy Bean (Pitt) told him to get her a bowling ball for all he cared, still upset over the A's recent playoff elimination.

So, did the Red Sox really hire Bill James, the creator of the "sabermetrics" approach to building a baseball roster and is that philosophy what eventually led to Henry's decisions to let impending high-priced players leave ?
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Re: Woj Bomb: Celtics Ownership looking to Sell
« Reply #207 on: September 16, 2024, 11:23:37 AM »

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Wasn?t aware they were barely breaking even, even in a championship year. Not entirely surprised though. Often times, you don?t make money until you sell the team.

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« Reply #208 on: September 16, 2024, 12:06:21 PM »

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Wasn?t aware they were barely breaking even, even in a championship year. Not entirely surprised though. Often times, you don?t make money until you sell the team.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Celtics (or a prospective buyer) were overemphasising the lack of money being made - this sale is happening because Grousbeck The Elder is in the process of doing his estate planning - he's the one who owns the majority of their 20% stake in the team, he's about 90 years old, and his family (correctly) wants to settle all of it ahead of his death. Odds are, they/we wouldn't be having this conversation if he were younger.

But, I would also posit that 'barely breaking even' doesn't apply to a team like the Celtics in any meaningful way, and you can tell by the way they've behaved. If they were actually losing money in any tangible sense, they'd be behaving more like the Maloofs towards the end of their Kings ownership, instead the Celtics have:

  • Signed 'the most expensive contract in history' in back-to-back offseasons
  • Extended and/or signed every player they could/wanted, in spite of their finances and punitive impact of the 'new' CBA
  • Have yet to be seriously impacted by the aforementioned negative incentives in the CBA (which, again, is the same agreement they knew about prior to the spending spree)

This is not the behaviour of a club that is seriously concerned about the day-to-day financials.
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« Reply #209 on: September 16, 2024, 12:15:41 PM »

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I wonder who leaked the story in the first place.


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