FMVP Ongoing Power Ranking

[BudweiserCeltic]

This playoffs run and these MVPs are going to do wonders for JB?s standing across the league. Hoopshype have JT and JB as 7 and 8 on their ranking of best players going into next year, though they admit that availability weighed heavily in their rankings (knocking Embiid way down).

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-100-players/

Brunson ahead of Tatum is total and utter nonsense.

It really isn't nonsense. You can argue about who should be on top of who, but nonsense it's not. Brunson had a spectacular season, to say nothing about his playoff run.

[Roy H.]

This playoffs run and these MVPs are going to do wonders for JB?s standing across the league. Hoopshype have JT and JB as 7 and 8 on their ranking of best players going into next year, though they admit that availability weighed heavily in their rankings (knocking Embiid way down).

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-100-players/

Brunson ahead of Tatum is total and utter nonsense.

It really isn't nonsense. You can argue about who should be on top of who, but nonsense it's not. Brunson had a spectacular season, to say nothing about his playoff run.

While true, it's weird that defense is often disregarded when ranking players.

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This playoffs run and these MVPs are going to do wonders for JB?s standing across the league. Hoopshype have JT and JB as 7 and 8 on their ranking of best players going into next year, though they admit that availability weighed heavily in their rankings (knocking Embiid way down).

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-100-players/

Brunson ahead of Tatum is total and utter nonsense.

It really isn't nonsense. You can argue about who should be on top of who, but nonsense it's not. Brunson had a spectacular season, to say nothing about his playoff run.

While true, it's weird that defense is often disregarded when ranking players.

Yeah I don't get that either.   That is why Luka falls short a bit for me.   You can't play half of the game and expect to be considered the best in the NBA.   He is probably the #1 offensive player in the NBA.   So being a poor defender only drops you down to #2 overall?   Seems like it should impact things more than that.   Luka was hunted over and over again on def.   He doesn't move his feet, he gives poor effort a lot.   I am not sure how to quantify it, but he gives up a lot of points.   That should diminish his standing, but it doesn't seem to.

[Moranis]

This playoffs run and these MVPs are going to do wonders for JB?s standing across the league. Hoopshype have JT and JB as 7 and 8 on their ranking of best players going into next year, though they admit that availability weighed heavily in their rankings (knocking Embiid way down).

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-100-players/

Brunson ahead of Tatum is total and utter nonsense.

It really isn't nonsense. You can argue about who should be on top of who, but nonsense it's not. Brunson had a spectacular season, to say nothing about his playoff run.

While true, it's weird that defense is often disregarded when ranking players.

Yeah I don't get that either.   That is why Luka falls short a bit for me.   You can't play half of the game and expect to be considered the best in the NBA.   He is probably the #1 offensive player in the NBA.   So being a poor defender only drops you down to #2 overall?   Seems like it should impact things more than that.   Luka was hunted over and over again on def.   He doesn't move his feet, he gives poor effort a lot.   I am not sure how to quantify it, but he gives up a lot of points.   That should diminish his standing, but it doesn't seem to.

It is because he is so good offensively. I mean in the 4 Boston wins in the finals Luka was -23 in 161 minutes.  In the 31 minutes he was on the bench, the Mavs were -27.  He is just such a force offensively it does make up for his defense.  Assuming health, I'd have Giannis ahead of Luka, but would have Luka at 3 and SGA at 4.  After that it gets tricky because of health. Like if Embiid is healthy, he might be the best player in the world, but you just can't trust his health.  I'd still probably have him at 5 because he is just so dominant when he plays, but it is hard.

Also, I looked at the statement at the front and Brunson being there makes more sense. 

This ranking is based on actual player performance and how much/how often these players helped their teams. It was not based on how talented the players are or how impactful they were when healthy.

So Brunson is more valuable to the Knicks than Tatum is to the Celtics because the Knicks aren't nearly as good a team.  That said, Tatum is still a better player and he should be ahead of Brunson even if that is how you do it. 

[keevsnick]

This playoffs run and these MVPs are going to do wonders for JB?s standing across the league. Hoopshype have JT and JB as 7 and 8 on their ranking of best players going into next year, though they admit that availability weighed heavily in their rankings (knocking Embiid way down).

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-100-players/

Brunson ahead of Tatum is total and utter nonsense.

It really isn't nonsense. You can argue about who should be on top of who, but nonsense it's not. Brunson had a spectacular season, to say nothing about his playoff run.

While true, it's weird that defense is often disregarded when ranking players.

Yeah I don't get that either.   That is why Luka falls short a bit for me.   You can't play half of the game and expect to be considered the best in the NBA.   He is probably the #1 offensive player in the NBA.   So being a poor defender only drops you down to #2 overall?   Seems like it should impact things more than that.   Luka was hunted over and over again on def.   He doesn't move his feet, he gives poor effort a lot.   I am not sure how to quantify it, but he gives up a lot of points.   That should diminish his standing, but it doesn't seem to.

It is because he is so good offensively. I mean in the 4 Boston wins in the finals Luka was -23 in 161 minutes.  In the 31 minutes he was on the bench, the Mavs were -27.  He is just such a force offensively it does make up for his defense.  Assuming health, I'd have Giannis ahead of Luka, but would have Luka at 3 and SGA at 4.  After that it gets tricky because of health. Like if Embiid is healthy, he might be the best player in the world, but you just can't trust his health.  I'd still probably have him at 5 because he is just so dominant when he plays, but it is hard.

Also, I looked at the statement at the front and Brunson being there makes more sense. 

This ranking is based on actual player performance and how much/how often these players helped their teams. It was not based on how talented the players are or how impactful they were when healthy.

So Brunson is more valuable to the Knicks than Tatum is to the Celtics because the Knicks aren't nearly as good a team.  That said, Tatum is still a better player and he should be ahead of Brunson even if that is how you do it.

Offense is just objectively more important than defense in terms of who the best overall player is, becasue having the ball literally in your hand allows you to effect the game a lot more as an offensive player than you can as a defensive player, especially if you aren't a rim protecting big.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't factor in defense, but it shouldn't be equally weighted to offense.

[Yuckabuck33]

This playoffs run and these MVPs are going to do wonders for JB?s standing across the league. Hoopshype have JT and JB as 7 and 8 on their ranking of best players going into next year, though they admit that availability weighed heavily in their rankings (knocking Embiid way down).

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-100-players/

Brunson ahead of Tatum is total and utter nonsense.

It really isn't nonsense. You can argue about who should be on top of who, but nonsense it's not. Brunson had a spectacular season, to say nothing about his playoff run.

While true, it's weird that defense is often disregarded when ranking players.

Yeah I don't get that either.   That is why Luka falls short a bit for me.   You can't play half of the game and expect to be considered the best in the NBA.   He is probably the #1 offensive player in the NBA.   So being a poor defender only drops you down to #2 overall?   Seems like it should impact things more than that.   Luka was hunted over and over again on def.   He doesn't move his feet, he gives poor effort a lot.   I am not sure how to quantify it, but he gives up a lot of points.   That should diminish his standing, but it doesn't seem to.

It is because he is so good offensively. I mean in the 4 Boston wins in the finals Luka was -23 in 161 minutes.  In the 31 minutes he was on the bench, the Mavs were -27.

-23 or -27 is still a minus. So he was more valuable to a losing effort. Big deal. The winningest player ever, Bill Russell, wasn't a great scorer. Today's NBA analysts would put Tommy H. in front of Russell because he scores. Brunson ahead of Tatum is ridiculous.

[Neurotic Guy]

This playoffs run and these MVPs are going to do wonders for JB?s standing across the league. Hoopshype have JT and JB as 7 and 8 on their ranking of best players going into next year, though they admit that availability weighed heavily in their rankings (knocking Embiid way down).

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-100-players/

Brunson ahead of Tatum is total and utter nonsense.

It really isn't nonsense. You can argue about who should be on top of who, but nonsense it's not. Brunson had a spectacular season, to say nothing about his playoff run.

While true, it's weird that defense is often disregarded when ranking players.

Yeah I don't get that either.   That is why Luka falls short a bit for me.   You can't play half of the game and expect to be considered the best in the NBA.   He is probably the #1 offensive player in the NBA.   So being a poor defender only drops you down to #2 overall?   Seems like it should impact things more than that.   Luka was hunted over and over again on def.   He doesn't move his feet, he gives poor effort a lot.   I am not sure how to quantify it, but he gives up a lot of points.   That should diminish his standing, but it doesn't seem to.

It is because he is so good offensively. I mean in the 4 Boston wins in the finals Luka was -23 in 161 minutes.  In the 31 minutes he was on the bench, the Mavs were -27.

-23 or -27 is still a minus. So he was more valuable to a losing effort. Big deal. The winningest player ever, Bill Russell, wasn't a great scorer. Today's NBA analysts would put Tommy H. in front of Russell because he scores. Brunson ahead of Tatum is ridiculous.

I think the point was that in all the minutes he was on the court Mavs were only -23 compared to the relatively few minutes he wasn?t they were -27. 

[Moranis]

This playoffs run and these MVPs are going to do wonders for JB?s standing across the league. Hoopshype have JT and JB as 7 and 8 on their ranking of best players going into next year, though they admit that availability weighed heavily in their rankings (knocking Embiid way down).

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-top-100-players/

Brunson ahead of Tatum is total and utter nonsense.

It really isn't nonsense. You can argue about who should be on top of who, but nonsense it's not. Brunson had a spectacular season, to say nothing about his playoff run.

While true, it's weird that defense is often disregarded when ranking players.

Yeah I don't get that either.   That is why Luka falls short a bit for me.   You can't play half of the game and expect to be considered the best in the NBA.   He is probably the #1 offensive player in the NBA.   So being a poor defender only drops you down to #2 overall?   Seems like it should impact things more than that.   Luka was hunted over and over again on def.   He doesn't move his feet, he gives poor effort a lot.   I am not sure how to quantify it, but he gives up a lot of points.   That should diminish his standing, but it doesn't seem to.

It is because he is so good offensively. I mean in the 4 Boston wins in the finals Luka was -23 in 161 minutes.  In the 31 minutes he was on the bench, the Mavs were -27.

-23 or -27 is still a minus. So he was more valuable to a losing effort. Big deal. The winningest player ever, Bill Russell, wasn't a great scorer. Today's NBA analysts would put Tommy H. in front of Russell because he scores. Brunson ahead of Tatum is ridiculous.

I think the point was that in all the minutes he was on the court Mavs were only -23 compared to the relatively few minutes he wasn?t they were -27.

Yes. The Celtics are a superior team top to bottom. Just better everywhere after Luka. Without Luka the Mavs would have been swept in 40 point beat downs and lucky to score 80 points in any game.

Luka was +30 in their win, so he was actually +7 in the series and positive overall in 2 games (3 and 4).

The Mavs need a guard that can defend next to Luka. Irving is a worse defender and an inconsistent offensive player. He isn't the right 2nd option for that team. They also need a big guy that can shoot that is better than Kleber