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Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #180 on: March 08, 2024, 10:54:58 AM »

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Russell Wilson to the Steelers is picking up steam

I think that’s a great fit for all parties. Steelers have some weapons, a solid defense led by Tomlin and he could also allow Pickett to continue developing behind Wilson for a year or two.

He'll surely help give the AFC North some fits behind that roster. Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, and Deshaun Watson. Some great companies there to deal with.


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Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #181 on: March 08, 2024, 11:05:11 AM »

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I am not sure what is going on with Russell Wilson, but I don't think it is a simple as "he is done".  Last season, he was 66.4%, 26 TD, 8 Int, 98 Rating.  He had the 9th best rating in the league, 6th best among QBs with more than 10 games.  He is 35.  That is a pretty good season for a QB who is "done".  There was clearly some disfunction between him and the coach.

A deal would have to work for both parties.  The Pats are not going to want to offer multiple years, they just want a vet for 1 year really.  They could draft a QB at #3 (and sit him a year) or not.  Wilson would have to look at it as a year to restore his value or something.  He is probably going to want to go to a team that at least has a chance to win (not the Pats) but think what it would do for his legacy if he came in an led the Pats to the playoffs or even something just short of the playoffs?  I don't think that is unrealistic.

Hard to say what the Pats' record would have been if we had Wilson.  There are several more games we win if we had even an average NFL QB.  We are going to have to shore up the OL in any case but Wilson behind a decent OL, with a really good defense?  Maybe a couple of second tier WRs through FA?  To me, that is a respectable team while still allowing rebuilding through the draft.  Take a QB at #3, then OL, Receivers, etc. through the rest of the draft.  Don't go crazy in FA but bring in good solid players at positions of need who can contribute for several years.

Not saying this is the only path, but I would be fine with this path.  And if the QB you get at #3 turns out to be good, you are on your way.

My one worry with Wilson as a bridge QB is that we've never really seen how he is as a mentor to younger QBs. I'd rather have someone who isn't as talented, but is really willing to help teach a top pick what it takes to be an NFL QB

And maybe that is Wilson, but I have my doubts

That really shouldn't matter.  Farve didn't mentor Rodgers and Rodgers didn't mentor Love.  Not sure Alex Smith mentored Mahomes.  The young QB will learn just fine from the coaches and just watching.  Wilson should just focus on what he needs to do.  If Wilson was the back up to the new QB, that might be different.  I feel like the whole "mentor" narrative is overblown.  I would tell Russ Wilson that  he isn't going to be asked to mentor anyone.  Just play well and let the rookie watch and see how it is done.

I don't like the Favre/Rodgers comps, because those guys were actually good starters and the teams were competing. Alex Smith is a good point, Mahomes turned out (more than) fine. I think Smith's personality is a lot more amenable to being a mentor than Russ, though.

I don't think it really matters, though, because I can't see Russ signing here. And given that he's probably my last pick of the top QB FAs, I'm okay with that.

Do you really think it would have made any difference who was the starter in Mahomes' rookie season?  If it had been Russell Wilson, would Mahomes not be as good?  That is my point.  Mahomes is good because he is good, not because he was mentored by Smith.  If the Pats bring in a vet to start and draft a QB, the job of the vet QB is to win games, not mentor a rookie.  There is no need for that.  If it was a case where the rookie was starting, and the vet was the back up, then yes, part of the job of the back up is to help make the starter better, help prepare the starter, whatever.  Like when Hoyer was here and he probably mentored Mac some.

If we get Russell Wilson, you expect him to start, no matter who we draft.  And his job is to be the starting QB.  The Rookie QB's job will be to support the starter and learn as much as he can along the way.  The best possible thing for that rookie QB would be to have a chance to watch Wilson play well, watch how he prepares, how he reacts.  If this rookie QB is going to be good, he'll be good, that will be enough.  If the rookie QB doesn't "have it", all the mentoring in the world isn't going to make him good.  And that should not be Russell Wilson's or any starting QB's problem.

Anyway, if it was me, that would be my message to Wilson.  We are bringing you here to be the starter and win games.  Let the coaches worry about developing the rookie.  You just worry about being the best Russell Wilson you can be.  And if you need to rookie to get you a towel, the rookie will get you a towel.  Win games.  Get us to the playoffs.

No, I agree that Mahomes was gonna be Mahomes no matter what. I also think having a true pro ahead of him like Smith might have made that transition easier, but you've pretty much convinced me that we don't need the starter to be a mentor (as long as they aren't an active detriment, but I cant think of any current FA QBs who would be).

I definitely don't want us bringing in a QB with the goal of them bringing us to the playoffs, though. I think that would be shortsighted and hurt our path to actually contending, which is one of the reasons that Russ wouldn't be my choice (and that I don't think we'd be Russ's choice). We need to improve and be more competitive, but we also need star talent and the best way to get that is higher picks. Get a couple of very good players in FA, give them front-loaded contracts (to save future cap space for later), and leave some positions pretty weak instead of bringing in good-not-great guys to fill those holes (we can fill them next off-season when we start to try and contend behind our second-year QB).
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Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #182 on: March 08, 2024, 06:20:46 PM »

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4 years, 98 million with 53.5 at signing and 75.5 total guaranteed for Madubuike.  Ravens franchised him and then signed him. Big guarantees
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Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #183 on: March 09, 2024, 03:54:55 AM »

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4 years, 98 million with 53.5 at signing and 75.5 total guaranteed for Madubuike.  Ravens franchised him and then signed him. Big guarantees
Wow huge guarantee for sure!! Gotta see this a lot
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Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #184 on: March 09, 2024, 03:56:58 AM »

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Russell Wilson met with Pittsburgh & Giants..probably go see Atlanta & Raiders… my guess he’s signing with Yucky Steelers
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Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #185 on: March 09, 2024, 11:54:50 AM »

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4 years, 98 million with 53.5 at signing and 75.5 total guaranteed for Madubuike.  Ravens franchised him and then signed him. Big guarantees
Wow huge guarantee for sure!! Gotta see this a lot
Yeah, the 24.5 million isn't really surprising but more than 75% guaranteed is a lot. The way they worked the contract does save the Ravens a ton of money off the cap next year though, so they went from above the cap to below it.  NFL contracts are just so weird how that works.
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Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #186 on: March 09, 2024, 12:41:25 PM »

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Jeudy traded to Browns for a 5th and 6th round pick.
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Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #187 on: March 09, 2024, 12:46:37 PM »

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Jeudy traded to Browns for a 5th and 6th round pick.

Broncos gonna tank next season or are they building capital to try something on draft day?


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Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #188 on: March 09, 2024, 01:25:29 PM »

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Jeudy traded to Browns for a 5th and 6th round pick.

Broncos gonna tank next season or are they building capital to try something on draft day?

They’d better tank with that dead cap space.  It’s not like they can win if they want to.

Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #189 on: March 09, 2024, 01:40:39 PM »

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Jeudy traded to Browns for a 5th and 6th round pick.

That's it??
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Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #190 on: March 09, 2024, 02:22:40 PM »

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Jeudy traded to Browns for a 5th and 6th round pick.

I would have liked the Patriots to have made that trade.

Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #191 on: March 09, 2024, 03:00:42 PM »

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Jeudy traded to Browns for a 5th and 6th round pick.

Broncos gonna tank next season or are they building capital to try something on draft day?

They’d better tank with that dead cap space.  It’s not like they can win if they want to.

A tank season for the Pats sounds good to me. Draft and sign thinking a couple years ahead. Another top 5 pick next year combined with a trade down to net a 1st/2nd in 2025 sounds good  to me.

Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #192 on: March 09, 2024, 03:26:28 PM »

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Jeudy traded to Browns for a 5th and 6th round pick.

Broncos gonna tank next season or are they building capital to try something on draft day?

They’d better tank with that dead cap space.  It’s not like they can win if they want to.

A tank season for the Pats sounds good to me. Draft and sign thinking a couple years ahead. Another top 5 pick next year combined with a trade down to net a 1st/2nd in 2025 sounds good  to me.

I want the Patriots to become the OKC Thunder of the NFL for the next 3 years. Accumulate as many valuable assets as possible. If that means trading out of this draft, so be it.
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Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #193 on: March 09, 2024, 04:29:57 PM »

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Jeudy traded to Browns for a 5th and 6th round pick.

Broncos gonna tank next season or are they building capital to try something on draft day?

They’d better tank with that dead cap space.  It’s not like they can win if they want to.

A tank season for the Pats sounds good to me. Draft and sign thinking a couple years ahead. Another top 5 pick next year combined with a trade down to net a 1st/2nd in 2025 sounds good  to me.

I want the Patriots to become the OKC Thunder of the NFL for the next 3 years. Accumulate as many valuable assets as possible. If that means trading out of this draft, so be it.

I think people will blow a gasket if Pats go all-in on losing and accumulating assets. But I’m very much in agreement with you.

Re: NFL 2023-24 Off-Season
« Reply #194 on: March 09, 2024, 05:06:19 PM »

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Jeudy traded to Browns for a 5th and 6th round pick.

Broncos gonna tank next season or are they building capital to try something on draft day?

They’d better tank with that dead cap space.  It’s not like they can win if they want to.

A tank season for the Pats sounds good to me. Draft and sign thinking a couple years ahead. Another top 5 pick next year combined with a trade down to net a 1st/2nd in 2025 sounds good  to me.

I want the Patriots to become the OKC Thunder of the NFL for the next 3 years. Accumulate as many valuable assets as possible. If that means trading out of this draft, so be it.

I think people will blow a gasket if Pats go all-in on losing and accumulating assets. But I’m very much in agreement with you.
They should have done it immediately after Tom left. They are 4 years behind schedule.
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