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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #930 on: November 17, 2023, 05:16:49 PM »

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Currently the top 12 in VORP (source: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_advanced.html) in the East is as follows, in order:

G Tyrese Haliburton (Indiana Pacers) 1.1
B Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers) 1.1
G Tyrese Maxey (Philadelphia 76ers) 1.0
F Jayson Tatum (Boston Celtics) 0.9
G Donovan Mitchell (Cleveland Cavaliers) 0.9
F Scottie Barnes (Toronto Raptors) 0.9
B Kristaps Porzingis (Boston Celtics) 0.7
F Jimmy Butler (Miami Heat) 0.5
G Derrick White (Boston Celtics) 0.5
G Jrue Holiday (Boston Celtics) 0.5
F Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks) 0.5
B Bam Adebayo (Miami Heat) 0.4

Interestingly four Celtics. Don't care much for all star selections, but if this continues we should see a green colored all star team.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #931 on: November 17, 2023, 06:49:34 PM »

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Currently the top 12 in VORP (source: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_advanced.html) in the East is as follows, in order:

G Tyrese Haliburton (Indiana Pacers) 1.1
B Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers) 1.1
G Tyrese Maxey (Philadelphia 76ers) 1.0
F Jayson Tatum (Boston Celtics) 0.9
G Donovan Mitchell (Cleveland Cavaliers) 0.9
F Scottie Barnes (Toronto Raptors) 0.9
B Kristaps Porzingis (Boston Celtics) 0.7
F Jimmy Butler (Miami Heat) 0.5
G Derrick White (Boston Celtics) 0.5
G Jrue Holiday (Boston Celtics) 0.5
F Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks) 0.5
B Bam Adebayo (Miami Heat) 0.4

Interestingly four Celtics. Don't care much for all star selections, but if this continues we should see a green colored all star team.
They're going back to East vs. West for the all-star game, but someone please refresh my memory; they're doing positionless placements or are we back to frontcourt/backcourt players or guards, forwards, centers?
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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #932 on: November 17, 2023, 07:15:01 PM »

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Currently the top 12 in VORP (source: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2024_advanced.html) in the East is as follows, in order:

G Tyrese Haliburton (Indiana Pacers) 1.1
B Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers) 1.1
G Tyrese Maxey (Philadelphia 76ers) 1.0
F Jayson Tatum (Boston Celtics) 0.9
G Donovan Mitchell (Cleveland Cavaliers) 0.9
F Scottie Barnes (Toronto Raptors) 0.9
B Kristaps Porzingis (Boston Celtics) 0.7
F Jimmy Butler (Miami Heat) 0.5
G Derrick White (Boston Celtics) 0.5
G Jrue Holiday (Boston Celtics) 0.5
F Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks) 0.5
B Bam Adebayo (Miami Heat) 0.4

Interestingly four Celtics. Don't care much for all star selections, but if this continues we should see a green colored all star team.

I don't know why you'd use an advanced stat to indicate all-star viability. All-star is more about popularity, narrative, and counting stats.

Since the Celtics are too deep to have the best counting stats, they need the "best team" narrative to give their non-Tatum guys a boost. However, that can only go so far. I think the best you could expect is Tatum and Porzingis, then one other player between Brown and Holiday is a borderline candidate.

Automatic Eastern locks so far:

Maxey
Haliburton
Lillard (based on reputation alone he will get in)
Mitchell
Tatum
Butler
Giannis
Adebayo
Embiid

Probable:
LaMelo Ball (he always does well in the fan vote)
Scottie Barnes

That's already 11 players, which doesn't leave a lot of spots for the borderline guys:

The "maybes":

Julius Randle
Jalen Brunson
Mikal Bridges
Jaylen Brown
Kristaps Porzingis
Jrue Holiday
Pascal Siakim
Trae Young
Evan Mobley
Myles Turner

The "probably nots":

Cade Cunningham
Dejounte Murray
Darius Garland (slow start, injuries)
Jarrett Allen
Zach Lavine
Demar DeRozan
Nikola Vucevic
Franz Wagner
Paulo Banchero
Kyle Kuzma


Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #933 on: November 17, 2023, 07:15:32 PM »

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Marcus Smart out 3-5 weeks with an ankle sprain. Yikes, three of our former guys are now out with injuries.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #934 on: November 17, 2023, 07:22:42 PM »

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The league's basement

All teams have at least 2 wins. The teams with 2 wins are MEM, DET and WAS. The teams with 3 wins are SAS, POR, LAC, CHA. CHI and UTA have 4 wins. They are the bottom 9 teams.

Clippers are the only surprise team there. The rest are who we thought they would be.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #935 on: November 17, 2023, 08:12:27 PM »

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Miami Heat, winners of 7 straight are heating up again. They're currently 3rd place, half game behind the 76ers. They need to be on the look out as well besides the 76ers.


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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #936 on: November 17, 2023, 09:54:16 PM »

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Good game on ESPN between the Kings and Spurs..
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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #937 on: November 17, 2023, 09:58:42 PM »

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IMO, a 5 game suspension is too light. 20 games makes more sense given how dangerous that neck hold was.

I agree, choking someone like that could have led to something far worse. 20 game’s minimum and maybe a season to send a message. 5 is a joke.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #938 on: November 17, 2023, 10:02:26 PM »

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Oh my gosh. The Bulls homecourt is dreadful. It like blood-soaked hardwood. This bright red. Bloody horrific.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #939 on: November 17, 2023, 10:13:56 PM »

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Strange Nuggets closing lineup

G: KCP
F: C Braun
F: M Porter Jr
F: A Gordon
C: Jokic

Very little ball-handling & passing there.

A defensive lineup. Lots of size on the perimeter to help Jokic on D.

They had a similar lineup last year with Bruce Brown in there instead of Braun but Braun is far more limited offensively than Bruce Brown.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #940 on: November 17, 2023, 10:17:50 PM »

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IMO, a 5 game suspension is too light. 20 games makes more sense given how dangerous that neck hold was.

I agree, choking someone like that could have led to something far worse. 20 game’s minimum and maybe a season to send a message. 5 is a joke.

That would have to be Ron Artest style.


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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #941 on: November 17, 2023, 10:29:10 PM »

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Super small main lineup by the Bulls tonight.

One big in Vucevic. DeRozan at PF at 6-6 215lbs. LaVine at SF as a light SG (lacks muscle for a two guard). Then two PG / combo guards in Caruso and Coby White.

When you got a big man like Vucevic, you gotta get him some help defensively and rebounding wise at forward and on the wing. DeRozan can't do that. He needs a strong defender / rebounder at forward next to him. LaVine struggles to do that even at SG nevermind at forward. They are leaving Vucevic wide open on D.

Yet ... they have no talent at forward so I am not sure it is not their best option at this point. Pat Williams isn't doing it. Torrey Craig is their next best option. He is a SF like DeRozan is. Still very small but with less offense. This small offense-centic lineup may be their best bet. Crappy bet that it is.

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« Reply #942 on: November 17, 2023, 11:21:18 PM »

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Super small main lineup by the Bulls tonight.

One big in Vucevic. DeRozan at PF at 6-6 215lbs. LaVine at SF as a light SG (lacks muscle for a two guard). Then two PG / combo guards in Caruso and Coby White.

When you got a big man like Vucevic, you gotta get him some help defensively and rebounding wise at forward and on the wing. DeRozan can't do that. He needs a strong defender / rebounder at forward next to him. LaVine struggles to do that even at SG nevermind at forward. They are leaving Vucevic wide open on D.

Yet ... they have no talent at forward so I am not sure it is not their best option at this point. Pat Williams isn't doing it. Torrey Craig is their next best option. He is a SF like DeRozan is. Still very small but with less offense. This small offense-centic lineup may be their best bet. Crappy bet that it is.

Patrick Williams was supposed to be their starting PF, but he’s not very good at all. Def a bust.
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Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #943 on: November 18, 2023, 12:53:52 AM »

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The Rockets are a sneaky good league pass team, I really like them. It’s looking like their last off-season was a giant homer, bringing in some solid veterans to this young core. They seem to really care and play hard.

Re: NBA Season 2023-24
« Reply #944 on: November 18, 2023, 01:40:46 AM »

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About time the Clippers won a game.

Too bad I was hoping for the Rockets to beat them tonight.


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