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Re: 2024 NBA Season and Playoffs
« Reply #10125 on: June 04, 2024, 01:27:27 PM »

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Is Kyrie insinuating we treated him poorly when he was playing here? As far as I remember we were more than accepting while here the uniform. We began to turn when he clearly gave up in the 2019 playoffs. And then when he left, he became the enemy.

But he can’t blame the fans, the city, or the franchise for him wanting to leave. And I’m glad he left. He proved he’s not a 1. He’s a 2, and I think he finally accepted it.

And those 2019 playoffs were AFTER he and KD had discussed teaming up in Brooklyn. He already had a foot out the door when that playoff disaster happened.
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Re: 2024 NBA Season and Playoffs
« Reply #10126 on: June 04, 2024, 01:54:01 PM »

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Almost an apology.  :laugh:

Kyrie Irving on his tenure in Boston: 'I wasn't my best self during that time'

“I don’t mind, after a few years, taking the brunt of the blame (for my time in Boston not working out),” Irving said. “(I’m) one of the best players in the world so I know what comes with that fair criticism. You know, it’s just that a little bit more grace could have been extended my way, especially with what I was dealing with during that time as a human being. “I know sometimes in sports, it’s literally about the end goal and result in what you accomplish, and that’s one thing. But we’re still human. At the end of the day, I wasn’t my best self during that time. When I look back on it, I just see it as a time where I learned how to let go of things and learned how to talk through my emotions.” – via New York Times


“But I will say last time in Boston, I don’t think that was the best — not this regular season, but when we played in the playoffs and everyone saw me flip off the birds and kind of lose my s— a little bit — that wasn’t a great reflection of who I am and how I like to compete on a high level. It wasn’t a great reflection on my end towards the next generation on what it means to control your emotions in that type of environment, no matter what people are yelling at you. – via ESPN

Irving said some “fair criticism” has come his way due to his short tenure in Boston, considering his status as one of the league’s best players, but he felt that “a little bit more grace could have been extended my way, especially what I was dealing with during that time as a human being.” “It was just a chapter in my life that I got to enjoy for the most part,” Irving said of his stint with the Celtics. “We had a great opportunity to do some special things, but it was cut short, just based off personal reasons on my end. One thing I look back on my time in Boston — I’ve said this over the past few years, but somehow it gets tossed under the rug — but the greatest thing I learned from Boston was just being able to manage not only my emotions or just what’s going on on a day-to-day basis of being a leader of a team or being one of the leaders, and having young guys around you that have their own goals, but you have to learn how to put the big picture first.”  – via ESPN






Even with an """apology""" he can't help but blame everyone else

Heh, I mean it's not the worst thing he could have said, but it's very Kyrie, and it's not really an apology.

Apology: I acted poorly and I regret that.

Kyrie: As one of the greatest players in the world, people were a little hard on me, and I wasn't as perfect as usual I guess, but I did become a better leader and sacrifice for the greater good.

I felt that was the best public apology by an athlete I've heard in a long time. He's not wrong that people were hard on him, and he's not wrong that does come with the territory of being a star athlete.

I've said it before: players admire Kyrie because he is as genuine as they come. He says and acts what he feels, and that combined with charisma makes him magnetic to his peers.

There's flightiness there, and a lack of loyalty and sticking with your commitments, and a willingness to blame other non-peers too quickly, but it does seem he's grown in his time at Dallas as a teammate and a person coming to terms with his past actions.

FTFY:
"it does seem he's grown in his time at Boston Brooklyn Dallas as a teammate and a person coming to terms with his past actions"

Who's next?

And I just have a hard time with calling him "genuine" for always dodging blame. If you aren't even honest with yourself, how genuine can you be?

The way I mean it here true and genuine are different. Truth has to do with syncing up with reality. Genuine with one's self and feelings.

Again, its the reason I think Kyrie is so loved by his peers. He is supremely in touch with that and willing to express it, even if he is out of touch with the reality of his actions and impact toward others.

Re: 2024 NBA Season and Playoffs
« Reply #10127 on: June 04, 2024, 02:42:25 PM »

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Almost an apology.  :laugh:

Kyrie Irving on his tenure in Boston: 'I wasn't my best self during that time'

“I don’t mind, after a few years, taking the brunt of the blame (for my time in Boston not working out),” Irving said. “(I’m) one of the best players in the world so I know what comes with that fair criticism. You know, it’s just that a little bit more grace could have been extended my way, especially with what I was dealing with during that time as a human being. “I know sometimes in sports, it’s literally about the end goal and result in what you accomplish, and that’s one thing. But we’re still human. At the end of the day, I wasn’t my best self during that time. When I look back on it, I just see it as a time where I learned how to let go of things and learned how to talk through my emotions.” – via New York Times


“But I will say last time in Boston, I don’t think that was the best — not this regular season, but when we played in the playoffs and everyone saw me flip off the birds and kind of lose my s— a little bit — that wasn’t a great reflection of who I am and how I like to compete on a high level. It wasn’t a great reflection on my end towards the next generation on what it means to control your emotions in that type of environment, no matter what people are yelling at you. – via ESPN

Irving said some “fair criticism” has come his way due to his short tenure in Boston, considering his status as one of the league’s best players, but he felt that “a little bit more grace could have been extended my way, especially what I was dealing with during that time as a human being.” “It was just a chapter in my life that I got to enjoy for the most part,” Irving said of his stint with the Celtics. “We had a great opportunity to do some special things, but it was cut short, just based off personal reasons on my end. One thing I look back on my time in Boston — I’ve said this over the past few years, but somehow it gets tossed under the rug — but the greatest thing I learned from Boston was just being able to manage not only my emotions or just what’s going on on a day-to-day basis of being a leader of a team or being one of the leaders, and having young guys around you that have their own goals, but you have to learn how to put the big picture first.”  – via ESPN






Even with an """apology""" he can't help but blame everyone else

Heh, I mean it's not the worst thing he could have said, but it's very Kyrie, and it's not really an apology.

Apology: I acted poorly and I regret that.

Kyrie: As one of the greatest players in the world, people were a little hard on me, and I wasn't as perfect as usual I guess, but I did become a better leader and sacrifice for the greater good.

I felt that was the best public apology by an athlete I've heard in a long time. He's not wrong that people were hard on him, and he's not wrong that does come with the territory of being a star athlete.

I've said it before: players admire Kyrie because he is as genuine as they come. He says and acts what he feels, and that combined with charisma makes him magnetic to his peers.

There's flightiness there, and a lack of loyalty and sticking with your commitments, and a willingness to blame other non-peers too quickly, but it does seem he's grown in his time at Dallas as a teammate and a person coming to terms with his past actions.

FTFY:
"it does seem he's grown in his time at Boston Brooklyn Dallas as a teammate and a person coming to terms with his past actions"

Who's next?

And I just have a hard time with calling him "genuine" for always dodging blame. If you aren't even honest with yourself, how genuine can you be?

The way I mean it here true and genuine are different. Truth has to do with syncing up with reality. Genuine with one's self and feelings.

Again, its the reason I think Kyrie is so loved by his peers. He is supremely in touch with that and willing to express it, even if he is out of touch with the reality of his actions and impact toward others.

In Kyrie's case, I think he's immature. Saying whatever self-absorbed thing you feel and not understanding the consequences, sure, it's genuine, but it looks a lot like the Kyrie saga. Any bad behavior can also be genuine.

Maybe he's matured, and I'm just biased by his past actions. It's possible. I get why Kyrie is liked -- he's supremely talented, marketable, charismatic, he's never done anything ACTUALLY bad like commit crimes or violence etc etc. I would not say he's a bad person, or beneath many other players with real indiscretions.

I also don't think being liked by a few teammates discredits the idea that he's mind-numbing to deal with for a lot of other people who won't put up with that type of personality. I know people with plenty of friends that would drive me up a wall with their nonsense. They aren't terrible people, just insufferable to someone like myself.

Re: 2024 NBA Season and Playoffs
« Reply #10128 on: June 04, 2024, 02:45:06 PM »

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I have never understood how Kyrie is seen as charismatic (or even likeable). Maybe in private he can be but in public? Through the media? Mainstream media or social media. I don't see it. Never have.

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« Reply #10129 on: June 04, 2024, 02:49:04 PM »

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Tim Legler mentioned that Kyrie gave an interview a while back saying Kyrie had lost a few people close to him (death) and that he struggled to deal with that. I am not sure whether that was during his time in Boston or in Brooklyn or both. But sometime then. And Kyrie added that he has gotten back to enjoying playing basketball again now that he is in Dallas. His life is back in a good place.

Also mentioned Seasonal Affected Disorder (SAD). That Kyrie has played his whole life in the North East of the Country with harsh winters and now he is in Dallas. That getting away from that and no longer dealing with SAD has helped his happiness also.

Re: 2024 NBA Season and Playoffs
« Reply #10130 on: June 04, 2024, 03:11:37 PM »

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Tim Legler mentioned that Kyrie gave an interview a while back saying Kyrie had lost a few people close to him (death) and that he struggled to deal with that. I am not sure whether that was during his time in Boston or in Brooklyn or both. But sometime then. And Kyrie added that he has gotten back to enjoying playing basketball again now that he is in Dallas. His life is back in a good place.

Also mentioned Seasonal Affected Disorder (SAD). That Kyrie has played his whole life in the North East of the Country with harsh winters and now he is in Dallas. That getting away from that and no longer dealing with SAD has helped his happiness also.

Who else doesn't get so depressed  that they flip customers off at work? Perfectly normal behavior. Clearly it's us who are the problem.
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Re: 2024 NBA Season and Playoffs
« Reply #10131 on: June 04, 2024, 03:14:25 PM »

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Not buying any of this from Kyrie. He’s a miserable person.

Re: 2024 NBA Season and Playoffs
« Reply #10132 on: June 04, 2024, 03:29:33 PM »

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Not buying any of this from Kyrie. He’s a miserable person.

Agreed, he’s the same person he’s always been and putting on his best front because he was another bad stop away from being out of the league. Luckily for him this mavs team has been a good fit and they have tip toed around him brilliantly to keep him happy… he’s insufferable.

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« Reply #10133 on: June 04, 2024, 03:45:34 PM »

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I don't really care that much about Kyrie's peace of mind or whatever, other than how it impacts how well he will play in the finals.  Maybe he truly has found a good place, realizes his mistakes of the past, maybe this is just a phase, a temporary thing, and he will flake out again at some point.

All I care about right now is how he is going to play.  It appears that he has pulled himself together enough that it will likely last through the finals.   Booo to that.  Maybe some of the Celtics who know him, know something that will trigger him, and they can whisper that in his ear and set him off to being the old Kyrie.

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« Reply #10134 on: June 04, 2024, 04:18:12 PM »

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I don't really care that much about Kyrie's peace of mind or whatever, other than how it impacts how well he will play in the finals.  Maybe he truly has found a good place, realizes his mistakes of the past, maybe this is just a phase, a temporary thing, and he will flake out again at some point.

All I care about right now is how he is going to play.  It appears that he has pulled himself together enough that it will likely last through the finals.   Booo to that.  Maybe some of the Celtics who know him, know something that will trigger him, and they can whisper that in his ear and set him off to being the old Kyrie.

Meh. He had a very meh series against the Thunder defenders. 8/17 games this post-season have less than a 15 gamescore in b-ball reference. He's averaging 23 and 5, which is pretty good and deserves due respect, but not terrifying.


Re: 2024 NBA Season and Playoffs
« Reply #10135 on: June 04, 2024, 04:43:25 PM »

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Kyrie is so weird lol. Now he's saying he's been depressed and all. Then the next second he sits out the entire season due to covid vaccination and such. He's like another Aaron Rodgers.


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Re: 2024 NBA Season and Playoffs
« Reply #10136 on: June 04, 2024, 04:45:19 PM »

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Two more days until our hearts will be filled with excitement, nerve-wrack, or filled with misery by the end of the second or third week of this series.

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« Reply #10137 on: June 04, 2024, 07:28:53 PM »

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NBA Officials for Finals have been confirmed.

A third of that list consists of Scott Foster, Tony Brothers, Marc Davis, and Zach Zarba.


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« Reply #10138 on: June 04, 2024, 08:28:51 PM »

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NBA Officials for Finals have been confirmed.

A third of that list consists of Scott Foster, Tony Brothers, Marc Davis, and Zach Zarba.

What a shocker.

It's such a crock that the NBA tries to actually act like they are "growing the game" by also giving these new young referees more opportunities but come postseason it's almost always these four involved especially after the first round when the number of matchups/series goes down.

Like I'm pretty sure the Finals is going to feature at least one of these guys every game. One may only get one game in a full series but the other three get 2 games each.
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« Reply #10139 on: June 04, 2024, 09:09:51 PM »

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NBA Officials for Finals have been confirmed.

A third of that list consists of Scott Foster, Tony Brothers, Marc Davis, and Zach Zarba.

What a shocker.

It's such a crock that the NBA tries to actually act like they are "growing the game" by also giving these new young referees more opportunities but come postseason it's almost always these four involved especially after the first round when the number of matchups/series goes down.

Like I'm pretty sure the Finals is going to feature at least one of these guys every game. One may only get one game in a full series but the other three get 2 games each.

Scott Foster was part of that Game 7 2010 debacle, alongside Joey Crawford and Danny Crawford. He's now leading the pack


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