Now the question is....is Patrick Mahomes a system QB or a game manager?
Is it all Andy Reid or is it all Pat Mahomes?
It must be the tight-pants young offensive coordinator.
Reid does have more diversity in his success but Belichick had success every single year for 20 years. Now Reid has a generational QB and is winning back to back super bowls. Reid traded his stud WR (Hill) and invested in the OL and the defense (at least the organization did, I assume Reid had a say in that). Who does that sound like?
I think the argument is Bill didn't win without Brady basically at all. 3 playoff game without Brady. A well under .500 record. He won for 20 years because he had Brady and he has shown almost no ability to win without Brady. Reid was able to be successful without Pat. Didn't reach the promised land, but plenty of wins, including plenty in the post season (and that SB appearance).
What is the argument? I think everyone knows that both Belichick and Brady helped win Super Bowls. Reid and Mahomes are helping to win Super Bowls.
I think its insane that people think that they can determine who won each Super Bowl. Is it 82.45% Mahomes, or 59.2% Reid? Who cares? Why does this matter? They have 3 Super Bowls. That is impressive. The same for the Patriots- they won 6 together. Why do we have to pretend that they didn't win those games together?
In this analytical world, I actually think we miss the point when we isolate individuals from team wins. Stating that its all Mahomes or Brady misses the forest for the trees.
I know society is divisive in many respects, but we don't have to divide everything. Some accomplishments can be won as teams, especially Super Bowls.
The discussion is comparing Reid to Belichick. I think it matters a great deal to that discussion, how they did without a top 3 QB all time (which they've both now had).
Without looking at random games, Bill has essentially coached 9 seasons without Brady
The 4 years in Cleveland he was 30-34. 0 division titles, 1 playoff season going 1-1 (and that was the only winning season).
He had the 11-5 season with Cassell in which they didn't make the playoffs.
Then post-Brady, Bill went 29-38. 0 divisions titles, 1 playoff season going 0-1.
So in those 9 seasons, Bill is 70-77, 0 division titles, 3 winning records, and 2 playoff appearances going 1-2.
Now obviously Reid has way more seasons without Mahomes, as he had 5 in KC alone before Mahomes, going 53-27 with 2 division titles, 4 playoff seasons but going just 1-4. In 14 years in Philly, he went 130-93-1, 6 division titles, and 10-9 in the playoffs including a SB appearance and 4 other CC games. He hasn't had a losing season in KC and only had 3 in Philly. Most of his Philly time he obviously had McNabb who was obviously a good QB, but he isn't a HOFer yet and probably won't be. So sustained success and probably more success than a QB like McNabb should have. He also went to the playoffs with Michael Vick (post-prison) and Alex Smith