NFL 2023 Season

[celticsclay]

I guess we know who really runs that team.

Belichick would have benched him and lost the game. Reid knows Kelce and Mahomes have huge egos that he has to manage as part of his job. Kelce helped win him a 3rd ring.

Yeah I will never forget all the times Belichek benched Brady, Gronk and Moss in the super bowl. I guess there was that one time he didn't play a cornerback that was out of the league a few years later.

[mobilija]

I guess we know who really runs that team.

For real tho…. What would Andy Reid’s legacy be without Mahomes? He’s a marshmallow. Is anyone going to be discussing Mahomes vs Reid like they do Brady vs Belichek?

[Donoghus]

When you see it spelled out, it's pretty insane.

Gary Myers
@GaryMyersNY
Kyle Shanahan now has a reputation for being unable to protect a lead in the playoffs:
--2016 Super Bowl: As Falcons OC and playcaller, he mismanaged the end of regulation, allowing the Patriots the opportunity to send the game into OT after trailing 28-3 with 18 minutes left. NE won with TD on fuirsdt possession.
--2019: As 49ers head coach, held a 20-10 lead in the Super Bowl over the Chiefs halfway through the fourth quarter. KC scored 21 straight to win 31-20.
--2021: Held a 17-7 lead entering 4th quarter of NFC Championship Game in LA against the Rams. Lost 20-17.
--Yesterday: Had 10-0 lead with four minutes left in second quarter of Super Bowl vs. KC. Lost 25-22 in OT.

[W8ting2McHale]

I guess we know who really runs that team.

Belichick would have benched him and lost the game. Reid knows Kelce and Mahomes have huge egos that he has to manage as part of his job. Kelce helped win him a 3rd ring.

Yeah I will never forget all the times Belichek benched Brady, Gronk and Moss in the super bowl. I guess there was that one time he didn't play a cornerback that was out of the league a few years later.

Cool story. It would be nice if you learned how to spell his name correctly. He’s only considered the greatest coach of the current era.

[celticsclay]

I guess we know who really runs that team.

Belichick would have benched him and lost the game. Reid knows Kelce and Mahomes have huge egos that he has to manage as part of his job. Kelce helped win him a 3rd ring.

Yeah I will never forget all the times Belichick benched Brady, Gronk and Moss in the super bowl. I guess there was that one time he didn't play a cornerback that was out of the league a few years later.

Cool story. It would be nice if you learned how to spell his name correctly. He’s only considered the greatest coach of the current era.

We are really being grammar police for people typing stuff on their phones? lol that’s kind of a new low for the board.

Now with that low point out of the way so you want to actually acknowledge bill never benched Brady or Gronk and wouldn’t have benched mahomes or kelce either? Or we just throwing out garbage today and correcting spelling errors? Your call.

[Goldstar88]

I guess we know who really runs that team.

For real tho…. What would Andy Reid’s legacy be without Mahomes? He’s a marshmallow. Is anyone going to be discussing Mahomes vs Reid like they do Brady vs Belichek?

Well, his record without Mahomes is 183-122-1 and he made it to the SB when he was coaching the Eagles.

[Vermont Green]

This debate about Reid is funny.  Funny in that it is the same argument people have been having about Belichick for years.  Is it the coach?  The QB?  The Defense?

If you look back at a list of coaches who have won super bowls and compare that to the QBs that have won SBs, to me it looks like it is usually a top coach who wins.  A few oddballs along the way but mostly it is all the top names.  If you look back at the QBs, still a lot of top names, especially of those who have multiple, but there are a lot more Trent Dilfers and and Brad Johnsons and Nick Foles that have won.

Of course Reid is a better coach when Mahommes is the QB.  But KC has a good OL, a good defense, they are a well coached team.  Just like the Patriots all those years.

[Roy H.]

I guess we know who really runs that team.

For real tho…. What would Andy Reid’s legacy be without Mahomes? He’s a marshmallow. Is anyone going to be discussing Mahomes vs Reid like they do Brady vs Belichek?

One of the best coaches in football?  He had a 182-120 record before Mahomes and had made four conference championship games and a Super Bowl.

[SparzWizard]

Now the question is....is Patrick Mahomes a system QB or a game manager? 

Is it all Andy Reid or is it all Pat Mahomes?

[Vermont Green]

Now the question is....is Patrick Mahomes a system QB or a game manager? 

Is it all Andy Reid or is it all Pat Mahomes?

It must be the tight-pants young offensive coordinator.

Reid does have more diversity in his success but Belichick had success every single year for 20 years.  Now Reid has a generational QB and is winning back to back super bowls.  Reid traded his stud WR (Hill) and invested in the OL and the defense (at least the organization did, I assume Reid had a say in that).  Who does that sound like?

[Moranis]

Now the question is....is Patrick Mahomes a system QB or a game manager? 

Is it all Andy Reid or is it all Pat Mahomes?

It must be the tight-pants young offensive coordinator.

Reid does have more diversity in his success but Belichick had success every single year for 20 years.  Now Reid has a generational QB and is winning back to back super bowls.  Reid traded his stud WR (Hill) and invested in the OL and the defense (at least the organization did, I assume Reid had a say in that).  Who does that sound like?

I think the argument is Bill didn't win without Brady basically at all.  3 playoff game without Brady.  A well under .500 record.  He won for 20 years because he had Brady and he has shown almost no ability to win without Brady.  Reid was able to be successful without Pat. Didn't reach the promised land, but plenty of wins, including plenty in the post season (and that SB appearance).

[Amonkey]

Now the question is....is Patrick Mahomes a system QB or a game manager? 

Is it all Andy Reid or is it all Pat Mahomes?

It must be the tight-pants young offensive coordinator.

Reid does have more diversity in his success but Belichick had success every single year for 20 years.  Now Reid has a generational QB and is winning back to back super bowls.  Reid traded his stud WR (Hill) and invested in the OL and the defense (at least the organization did, I assume Reid had a say in that).  Who does that sound like?

I think the argument is Bill didn't win without Brady basically at all.  3 playoff game without Brady.  A well under .500 record.  He won for 20 years because he had Brady and he has shown almost no ability to win without Brady.  Reid was able to be successful without Pat. Didn't reach the promised land, but plenty of wins, including plenty in the post season (and that SB appearance).

I think because Tom Brady's career was so long, that may also masquerade Bill's coaching record because so much of it get got intertwined with Brady. I do think that except the last two years, Bill did a brilliant job on the first years without Brady with Cam Newton and Mac as QBs that couldn't really pass and an offensive that was abysmal. With Cam not being able to throw over 5 years and somehow we still came out with a .500 record is amazing.

[greg683x]

If I’m starting a team from scratch tomorrow, I’d have to hire Reid over Bill.  Reid has always been great at maximizing the strengths of all his QBs (and his team in general) throughout his entire coaching career.  As great as Bill is, you can’t say the same for his career outside of NE

[Donoghus]

Wonder how many more years Reid has left in him coaching.  He'll be 66 in March.

[green_bballers13]

Now the question is....is Patrick Mahomes a system QB or a game manager? 

Is it all Andy Reid or is it all Pat Mahomes?

It must be the tight-pants young offensive coordinator.

Reid does have more diversity in his success but Belichick had success every single year for 20 years.  Now Reid has a generational QB and is winning back to back super bowls.  Reid traded his stud WR (Hill) and invested in the OL and the defense (at least the organization did, I assume Reid had a say in that).  Who does that sound like?

I think the argument is Bill didn't win without Brady basically at all.  3 playoff game without Brady.  A well under .500 record.  He won for 20 years because he had Brady and he has shown almost no ability to win without Brady.  Reid was able to be successful without Pat. Didn't reach the promised land, but plenty of wins, including plenty in the post season (and that SB appearance).

What is the argument? I think everyone knows that both Belichick and Brady helped win Super Bowls. Reid and Mahomes are helping to win Super Bowls.

I think its insane that people think that they can determine who won each Super Bowl. Is it 82.45% Mahomes, or 59.2% Reid? Who cares? Why does this matter? They have 3 Super Bowls. That is impressive. The same for the Patriots- they won 6 together. Why do we have to pretend that they didn't win those games together?

In this analytical world, I actually think we miss the point when we isolate individuals from team wins. Stating that its all Mahomes or Brady misses the forest for the trees.

I know society is divisive in many respects, but we don't have to divide everything. Some accomplishments can be won as teams, especially Super Bowls.