2023-2024 NCAAF Official Thread

[tazzmaniac]

My top 8 (not considering records). These are the best 8 teams on December 4th, which would make the best playoffs for millions to watch.

Bama
Georgia
Michigan
Texas
Washington
Ohio State
Oregon
FSU

I'm happy that there aren't two SEC teams in the tournament.

I think it's rich for FSU to try to argue that the ACC didn't stink this year, considering that they have wanted to leave the conference for that same reason.

FSU wants to leave for money, no other reason.  ACC was 6-4 against the SEC this year, including 2-0 from FSU.

Keep going with that thought. Why would FSU get more money elsewhere if the ACC was a superior conference?

I'd argue that we're heading to one or two super conferences. In that scenario, FSU is still the 8th best team in 2023.

First, not stinking and being superior aren't the same thing.  The simple reality is, the ACC on the field had better results than the SEC winning the head to head 6-4. And FSU was among the ACC teams finding great success against the SEC by crushing LSU at a neutral field and beating Florida in the swamp. 

FSU is definitely better than both LSU, the 5th best SEC team and Florida, a team with 7 losses. That's why I think FSU is the 8th best team in the country with a quality win over LSU, ranked 13th.

Those FSU wins don't compare to Bama's win over Georgia or Texas' win over Bama. Apples and oranges.

Bama also beat LSU but LSU was only their 3rd best win and 4th best team played.  Florida is not only a 7 loss team but they were missing their starting QB also.  ACC teams beat Vandy and South Carolina twice.  So 4 of those ACC wins were against SEC bottom feeders.  On the other hand, 5-loss Kentucky beat the Louisville the 2nd best ACC team.       

[ozgod]

My top 8 (not considering records). These are the best 8 teams on December 4th, which would make the best playoffs for millions to watch.

Bama
Georgia
Michigan
Texas
Washington
Ohio State
Oregon
FSU

I'm happy that there aren't two SEC teams in the tournament.

I think it's rich for FSU to try to argue that the ACC didn't stink this year, considering that they have wanted to leave the conference for that same reason.

FSU wants to leave for money, no other reason.  ACC was 6-4 against the SEC this year, including 2-0 from FSU.

Keep going with that thought. Why would FSU get more money elsewhere if the ACC was a superior conference?

I'd argue that we're heading to one or two super conferences. In that scenario, FSU is still the 8th best team in 2023.

Yup going to become NFL for college players.

[Moranis]

My top 8 (not considering records). These are the best 8 teams on December 4th, which would make the best playoffs for millions to watch.

Bama
Georgia
Michigan
Texas
Washington
Ohio State
Oregon
FSU

I'm happy that there aren't two SEC teams in the tournament.

I think it's rich for FSU to try to argue that the ACC didn't stink this year, considering that they have wanted to leave the conference for that same reason.

FSU wants to leave for money, no other reason.  ACC was 6-4 against the SEC this year, including 2-0 from FSU.

Keep going with that thought. Why would FSU get more money elsewhere if the ACC was a superior conference?

I'd argue that we're heading to one or two super conferences. In that scenario, FSU is still the 8th best team in 2023.

First, not stinking and being superior aren't the same thing.  The simple reality is, the ACC on the field had better results than the SEC winning the head to head 6-4. And FSU was among the ACC teams finding great success against the SEC by crushing LSU at a neutral field and beating Florida in the swamp. 

FSU is definitely better than both LSU, the 5th best SEC team and Florida, a team with 7 losses. That's why I think FSU is the 8th best team in the country with a quality win over LSU, ranked 13th.

Those FSU wins don't compare to Bama's win over Georgia or Texas' win over Bama. Apples and oranges.

They also didn't lose though.  They didn't need a miracle 4th and 31 to beat a 6-6 team.  The whole schedule matters.  I'd have actually kept Texas out for that reason.  Weaker conference than the ACC, lost a game, had several close games down the stretch and Bama (despite the Auburn game) is a much better team than when they played Texas in week 2.  Texas is not better than FSU.  Texas doesn't belong in the top 4 based on this season. I think both Georgia and Ohio State would beat them as well and thus are better teams (well at least the versions that played this year before the portal).

[green_bballers13]

My top 8 (not considering records). These are the best 8 teams on December 4th, which would make the best playoffs for millions to watch.

Bama
Georgia
Michigan
Texas
Washington
Ohio State
Oregon
FSU

I'm happy that there aren't two SEC teams in the tournament.

I think it's rich for FSU to try to argue that the ACC didn't stink this year, considering that they have wanted to leave the conference for that same reason.

FSU wants to leave for money, no other reason.  ACC was 6-4 against the SEC this year, including 2-0 from FSU.

Keep going with that thought. Why would FSU get more money elsewhere if the ACC was a superior conference?

I'd argue that we're heading to one or two super conferences. In that scenario, FSU is still the 8th best team in 2023.

First, not stinking and being superior aren't the same thing.  The simple reality is, the ACC on the field had better results than the SEC winning the head to head 6-4. And FSU was among the ACC teams finding great success against the SEC by crushing LSU at a neutral field and beating Florida in the swamp. 

FSU is definitely better than both LSU, the 5th best SEC team and Florida, a team with 7 losses. That's why I think FSU is the 8th best team in the country with a quality win over LSU, ranked 13th.

Those FSU wins don't compare to Bama's win over Georgia or Texas' win over Bama. Apples and oranges.

They also didn't lose though.  They didn't need a miracle 4th and 31 to beat a 6-6 team.  The whole schedule matters.

You're right. Bama had a tougher schedule.

If FSU had a tough schedule, they'd be in. If their Heisman candidate QB was healthy, they'd be in. This combination plus deserving teams in Bama/Georgia created an unfortunate situation. FSU fans deserve to be bummed out for getting dealt a raw deal.

That being said, FSU, at the time of the committee's decision, was not one of the four best teams. I haven't heard anyone admit that they are better than Bama or Georgia. They get to play Georgia to see who is better.

[tazzmaniac]

My top 8 (not considering records). These are the best 8 teams on December 4th, which would make the best playoffs for millions to watch.

Bama
Georgia
Michigan
Texas
Washington
Ohio State
Oregon
FSU

I'm happy that there aren't two SEC teams in the tournament.

I think it's rich for FSU to try to argue that the ACC didn't stink this year, considering that they have wanted to leave the conference for that same reason.

FSU wants to leave for money, no other reason.  ACC was 6-4 against the SEC this year, including 2-0 from FSU.

Keep going with that thought. Why would FSU get more money elsewhere if the ACC was a superior conference?

I'd argue that we're heading to one or two super conferences. In that scenario, FSU is still the 8th best team in 2023.

First, not stinking and being superior aren't the same thing.  The simple reality is, the ACC on the field had better results than the SEC winning the head to head 6-4. And FSU was among the ACC teams finding great success against the SEC by crushing LSU at a neutral field and beating Florida in the swamp. 

FSU is definitely better than both LSU, the 5th best SEC team and Florida, a team with 7 losses. That's why I think FSU is the 8th best team in the country with a quality win over LSU, ranked 13th.

Those FSU wins don't compare to Bama's win over Georgia or Texas' win over Bama. Apples and oranges.

They also didn't lose though.  They didn't need a miracle 4th and 31 to beat a 6-6 team.  The whole schedule matters.

The whole schedule should matter which means Bama's SOS being 5th and FSU SOS being 55th should matter.  The fact that LSU is FSU's best win and only Bama's 3rd best win.  FSU barely beat a 6-6 Boston College team.   

It is funny how the focus is on Bama and the SEC but ignores that the committee first chose to put Texas in over FSU. 

[Moranis]

Depends on what rankings you use.  I mean ESPN's FPI has Ohio State 2 behind only Michigan. Should Ohio State not be in the playoff. I mean they lost on the road by 6 to the top team (and had the ball with a minute left), have a top 10 win, beat a top 20 team in the non-con and were a top 2 team in every ranking until the Michigan game.  Why isn't Ohio State in the playoffs?  I mean they were pretty clearly one of the 4 best teams.  (and to be clear, I don't think OSU should be in, just using that as an example to show the stupidity of how they determined things).

ESPN's FPI has Florida State ahead of Washington as well.  Why go with Washington over FSU?  I mean are the 2 games against Oregon (who also played no one) really that much of a difference.  Washington's schedule is horrible.  And Oregon's is arguably worse, so you there is no way to know if they are actually any good.  Why should Washington go ahead of FSU? Because a mediocre SEC QB was still on the field for UW.  Give me a break. 

The committee changed the rules this year and did so to serve a travesty, but did so only at the top.  I mean I doubt anyone in that committee thinks Liberty is actually better than SMU, but Liberty is unbeaten and SMU has 2 losses (one of which was Oklahoma and clearly losing to them doesn't matter ala Texas). 

And here are the rules before yesterday

"The CFP Committee will consider four criteria when teams are deemed comparable: championships won, strength of schedule, head-to-head competition and comparative outcomes of common opponents."

They specifically added the players being out so they could exclude FSU. It is nonsense.  Plenty of teams have won the national championship with a backup QB.  FSU should have been given that chance, especially with a stifling defense and excellent running game.

[green_bballers13]

Why isn't Ohio State in the playoffs?

Another overrated conference. Three good teams and a bunch of filler. Also Kyle McCord had the best WR in the game, and managed two quality wins over an overrated Notre Dame and Penn State, albeit a pretty good team ranked #10. That was their best win. I think some Buckeye fans think that they are better than Texas. I think they are better than FSU, but worse than Bama and Georgia.

[Moranis]

My top 8 (not considering records). These are the best 8 teams on December 4th, which would make the best playoffs for millions to watch.

Bama
Georgia
Michigan
Texas
Washington
Ohio State
Oregon
FSU

I'm happy that there aren't two SEC teams in the tournament.

I think it's rich for FSU to try to argue that the ACC didn't stink this year, considering that they have wanted to leave the conference for that same reason.

FSU wants to leave for money, no other reason.  ACC was 6-4 against the SEC this year, including 2-0 from FSU.

Keep going with that thought. Why would FSU get more money elsewhere if the ACC was a superior conference?

I'd argue that we're heading to one or two super conferences. In that scenario, FSU is still the 8th best team in 2023.

First, not stinking and being superior aren't the same thing.  The simple reality is, the ACC on the field had better results than the SEC winning the head to head 6-4. And FSU was among the ACC teams finding great success against the SEC by crushing LSU at a neutral field and beating Florida in the swamp. 

FSU is definitely better than both LSU, the 5th best SEC team and Florida, a team with 7 losses. That's why I think FSU is the 8th best team in the country with a quality win over LSU, ranked 13th.

Those FSU wins don't compare to Bama's win over Georgia or Texas' win over Bama. Apples and oranges.

They also didn't lose though.  They didn't need a miracle 4th and 31 to beat a 6-6 team.  The whole schedule matters.

The whole schedule should matter which means Bama's SOS being 5th and FSU SOS being 55th should matter.  The fact that LSU is FSU's best win and only Bama's 3rd best win.  FSU barely beat a 6-6 Boston College team.   

It is funny how the focus is on Bama and the SEC but ignores that the committee first chose to put Texas in over FSU.

BC was the 3rd game of the year with Travis.  Remember, they are different team now, you can't count that game.  Without Travis they beat Florida by 9 and Louisville by 10 with the best defense in the country.  Florida and Louisville, both had BY FAR, their worst offensive games of the year by a whole bunch of metrics when they played FSU.  I seem to recall that teams play on both ends of the field.   

[Moranis]

Why isn't Ohio State in the playoffs?

Another overrated conference. Three good teams and a bunch of filler. Also Kyle McCord had the best WR in the game, and managed two quality wins over an overrated Notre Dame and Penn State, albeit a pretty good team ranked #10. That was their best win. I think some Buckeye fans think that they are better than Texas. I think they are better than FSU, but worse than Bama and Georgia.

Pre-portal Ohio State, absolutely would have beaten Texas on a neutral field.  I have no doubt in that.  Texas can't stop anyone.  Now Washington plays no defense, so that might actually be a good game. 

[green_bballers13]

ESPN's FPI has Florida State ahead of Washington as well. 

Now you're just throwing spaghetti at the wall by looking at ESPN's FPI. https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi

The top 3 teams are Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State.

[green_bballers13]

Strength of Schedule: https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/resume/sort/resume.avgsosrank/dir/asc

Bama 5
Ohio State 7
Wash 9
Texas 13
Penn St 32
Mich 35
Georgia 37
FSU 55

This is the answer. If FSU had a top 20 SoS, I think they would be in.

[celticsclay]

This thread seems to highlight a passing of the torch and end of an era. Tazz now disagrees with mo more than me and will be the next cohost of undisputed with mo. Give us a good season fellas.

[tazzmaniac]

ESPN's FPI has Florida State ahead of Washington as well. 

Now you're just throwing spaghetti at the wall by looking at ESPN's FPI. https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi

The top 3 teams are Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State.

That's just dreadful but the funny thing is that there are 10 teams ahead of FSU including LSU.

[Moranis]

ESPN's FPI has Florida State ahead of Washington as well. 

Now you're just throwing spaghetti at the wall by looking at ESPN's FPI. https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi

The top 3 teams are Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State.

but that is sort of the point I was making.  There is so much subjectivity in how they do it, which doesn't make sense

If Georgia would have beaten Bama, would FSU or Texas have been the 4th seed?

[Roy H.]

ESPN's FPI has Florida State ahead of Washington as well. 

Now you're just throwing spaghetti at the wall by looking at ESPN's FPI. https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi

The top 3 teams are Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State.

but that is sort of the point I was making.  There is so much subjectivity in how they do it, which doesn't make sense

If Georgia would have beaten Bama, would FSU or Texas have been the 4th seed?

It's an interesting question.  Texas's win over Alabama would have meant less; instead of the giant killer riding a 12 game win streak, they'd have been a two loss opponent.  It would have been justifiable to put FSU over them, although I think Texas is a better team currently.