Patriots 2023 Season

[kraidstar]

Mac did ok most of his rookie year though

It is true that Mac appeared to do "OK" his rookie year, until Bill Belichick ruined him in the Buffalo game, right?  But in order for it to be true that problem was the offensive coordinator, it would have to be that Bill O'Brien was an even worse coordinator than Judge and Patricia because Mac and the Patriots overall did even worse under O'Brien.

I am not sure what Mac Jones will do if given an opportunity with a decent offensive line, decent weapons, and a decent scheme/coaching.  Maybe he is a decent QB, like he seemed to show his rookie season.  I saw a lot of bad QB from him, especially last season so I have my doubts.

The coaching sucked and the supporting cast sucked.

Aside from that he had every advantage

[Goldstar88]

Good interview between Hoyer and Curran from earlier today.. some behind the scenes insight regarding what took place in NE before he left.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hmxhL6dOMe8&pp=ygUWYnJpYW4gaG95ZXIgdG9tIGN1cnJhbg%3D%3D

Great interview, TP

According to Hoyer, McDaniels and Brady developed a very complex but effective offense, with many branching variables to core plays to keep defenses on their heels. But Judge and Patricia jettisoned this for a hodgepodge offense that lacked purpose and was more predictable.

Hoyer insinuates that Mac pushed back on this and got railroaded. Hoyer's disillusionment probably also cost him his job as well.

This is interesting and thanks for the summary, but there is a flaw in Hoyer's logic.  The flaw is that even after they brought in Bill O'Brien, the offense was still rudimentary.  The problem or limitation is that you can only do as much with the complexity of the offense as the weakest link will allow.  The links are QB, OL, and targets.

Since the offense did not get any better or complex with O'Brien, it is hard to conclude that the issue was the coaching.  The core issue was that the OL and the QB limited what you could do.  If you tried to do more then the ability of these elements of the offense would allow, you are just going to end up sacked or intercepted.  The targets are a factor also but in this case, the OL and the QB were so bad, that the targets didn't even matter.

If you want to see a more complex or nuanced offense, you have to restore the infrastructure of the OL first and foremost (this includes TE and RB contributing to pass protection).  Then you need the QB.  Then you need some time with all of this in place.  It can take more than 1 season to layer in all the levels of the more complex offenses (it isn't going to happen in a single preseason).  And I don't think you need a Mahomes at QB, just a good solid QB who can process at the NFL speed of the game.

And if even 1 element breaks down, the play is busted.  If the OL doesn't read the stunts, if TE doesn't "chip" the right rusher, if the RB doesn't read the blitz, if the QB doesn't stay cool and make the read (pre-snap and otherwise), if any of these fail, the play is busted.  And it doesn't matter how good your top WR is. 

This is why the Pats play-calling was limited to such simple plays.  If Mac was complaining, it tells me he doesn't understand because it was very clear he couldn't handle even the simple offense that they were deploying (out of necessity).

Hoyer on Mac learning McDaniels complex offense:

“Mac’s rookie year I was convinced that people were telling him the answers to the questions in the room or giving him the script on the field because I had never seen someone that young learn that offense so quickly, I mean it took me 3 years to get to where he was at the end of training camp.”

[kraidstar]

Good interview between Hoyer and Curran from earlier today.. some behind the scenes insight regarding what took place in NE before he left.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hmxhL6dOMe8&pp=ygUWYnJpYW4gaG95ZXIgdG9tIGN1cnJhbg%3D%3D

Great interview, TP

According to Hoyer, McDaniels and Brady developed a very complex but effective offense, with many branching variables to core plays to keep defenses on their heels. But Judge and Patricia jettisoned this for a hodgepodge offense that lacked purpose and was more predictable.

Hoyer insinuates that Mac pushed back on this and got railroaded. Hoyer's disillusionment probably also cost him his job as well.

This is interesting and thanks for the summary, but there is a flaw in Hoyer's logic.  The flaw is that even after they brought in Bill O'Brien, the offense was still rudimentary.  The problem or limitation is that you can only do as much with the complexity of the offense as the weakest link will allow.  The links are QB, OL, and targets.

Since the offense did not get any better or complex with O'Brien, it is hard to conclude that the issue was the coaching.  The core issue was that the OL and the QB limited what you could do.  If you tried to do more then the ability of these elements of the offense would allow, you are just going to end up sacked or intercepted.  The targets are a factor also but in this case, the OL and the QB were so bad, that the targets didn't even matter.

If you want to see a more complex or nuanced offense, you have to restore the infrastructure of the OL first and foremost (this includes TE and RB contributing to pass protection).  Then you need the QB.  Then you need some time with all of this in place.  It can take more than 1 season to layer in all the levels of the more complex offenses (it isn't going to happen in a single preseason).  And I don't think you need a Mahomes at QB, just a good solid QB who can process at the NFL speed of the game.

And if even 1 element breaks down, the play is busted.  If the OL doesn't read the stunts, if TE doesn't "chip" the right rusher, if the RB doesn't read the blitz, if the QB doesn't stay cool and make the read (pre-snap and otherwise), if any of these fail, the play is busted.  And it doesn't matter how good your top WR is. 

This is why the Pats play-calling was limited to such simple plays.  If Mac was complaining, it tells me he doesn't understand because it was very clear he couldn't handle even the simple offense that they were deploying (out of necessity).

Hoyer on Mac learning McDaniels complex offense:

“Mac’s rookie year I was convinced that people were telling him the answers to the questions in the room or giving him the script on the field because I had never seen someone that young learn that offense so quickly, I mean it took me 3 year to get to where he was at the end of training camp.”

TP once again.

[Moranis]

Good interview between Hoyer and Curran from earlier today.. some behind the scenes insight regarding what took place in NE before he left.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hmxhL6dOMe8&pp=ygUWYnJpYW4gaG95ZXIgdG9tIGN1cnJhbg%3D%3D

Great interview, TP

According to Hoyer, McDaniels and Brady developed a very complex but effective offense, with many branching variables to core plays to keep defenses on their heels. But Judge and Patricia jettisoned this for a hodgepodge offense that lacked purpose and was more predictable.

Hoyer insinuates that Mac pushed back on this and got railroaded. Hoyer's disillusionment probably also cost him his job as well.

This is interesting and thanks for the summary, but there is a flaw in Hoyer's logic.  The flaw is that even after they brought in Bill O'Brien, the offense was still rudimentary.  The problem or limitation is that you can only do as much with the complexity of the offense as the weakest link will allow.  The links are QB, OL, and targets.

Since the offense did not get any better or complex with O'Brien, it is hard to conclude that the issue was the coaching.  The core issue was that the OL and the QB limited what you could do.  If you tried to do more then the ability of these elements of the offense would allow, you are just going to end up sacked or intercepted.  The targets are a factor also but in this case, the OL and the QB were so bad, that the targets didn't even matter.

If you want to see a more complex or nuanced offense, you have to restore the infrastructure of the OL first and foremost (this includes TE and RB contributing to pass protection).  Then you need the QB.  Then you need some time with all of this in place.  It can take more than 1 season to layer in all the levels of the more complex offenses (it isn't going to happen in a single preseason).  And I don't think you need a Mahomes at QB, just a good solid QB who can process at the NFL speed of the game.

And if even 1 element breaks down, the play is busted.  If the OL doesn't read the stunts, if TE doesn't "chip" the right rusher, if the RB doesn't read the blitz, if the QB doesn't stay cool and make the read (pre-snap and otherwise), if any of these fail, the play is busted.  And it doesn't matter how good your top WR is. 

This is why the Pats play-calling was limited to such simple plays.  If Mac was complaining, it tells me he doesn't understand because it was very clear he couldn't handle even the simple offense that they were deploying (out of necessity).

Hoyer on Mac learning McDaniels complex offense:

“Mac’s rookie year I was convinced that people were telling him the answers to the questions in the room or giving him the script on the field because I had never seen someone that young learn that offense so quickly, I mean it took me 3 years to get to where he was at the end of training camp.”

Hoyer has been doing a lot of talking lately and he is coming off like the biggest **** in the sport's history. 

[green_bballers13]

Good interview between Hoyer and Curran from earlier today.. some behind the scenes insight regarding what took place in NE before he left.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hmxhL6dOMe8&pp=ygUWYnJpYW4gaG95ZXIgdG9tIGN1cnJhbg%3D%3D

Great interview, TP

According to Hoyer, McDaniels and Brady developed a very complex but effective offense, with many branching variables to core plays to keep defenses on their heels. But Judge and Patricia jettisoned this for a hodgepodge offense that lacked purpose and was more predictable.

Hoyer insinuates that Mac pushed back on this and got railroaded. Hoyer's disillusionment probably also cost him his job as well.

This is interesting and thanks for the summary, but there is a flaw in Hoyer's logic.  The flaw is that even after they brought in Bill O'Brien, the offense was still rudimentary.  The problem or limitation is that you can only do as much with the complexity of the offense as the weakest link will allow.  The links are QB, OL, and targets.

Since the offense did not get any better or complex with O'Brien, it is hard to conclude that the issue was the coaching.  The core issue was that the OL and the QB limited what you could do.  If you tried to do more then the ability of these elements of the offense would allow, you are just going to end up sacked or intercepted.  The targets are a factor also but in this case, the OL and the QB were so bad, that the targets didn't even matter.

If you want to see a more complex or nuanced offense, you have to restore the infrastructure of the OL first and foremost (this includes TE and RB contributing to pass protection).  Then you need the QB.  Then you need some time with all of this in place.  It can take more than 1 season to layer in all the levels of the more complex offenses (it isn't going to happen in a single preseason).  And I don't think you need a Mahomes at QB, just a good solid QB who can process at the NFL speed of the game.

And if even 1 element breaks down, the play is busted.  If the OL doesn't read the stunts, if TE doesn't "chip" the right rusher, if the RB doesn't read the blitz, if the QB doesn't stay cool and make the read (pre-snap and otherwise), if any of these fail, the play is busted.  And it doesn't matter how good your top WR is. 

This is why the Pats play-calling was limited to such simple plays.  If Mac was complaining, it tells me he doesn't understand because it was very clear he couldn't handle even the simple offense that they were deploying (out of necessity).

Hoyer on Mac learning McDaniels complex offense:

“Mac’s rookie year I was convinced that people were telling him the answers to the questions in the room or giving him the script on the field because I had never seen someone that young learn that offense so quickly, I mean it took me 3 years to get to where he was at the end of training camp.”

Hoyer has been doing a lot of talking lately and he is coming off like the biggest **** in the sport's history.

Just curious- what didn't you like that he said?

[Vermont Green]

Hoyer on Mac learning McDaniels complex offense:

“Mac’s rookie year I was convinced that people were telling him the answers to the questions in the room or giving him the script on the field because I had never seen someone that young learn that offense so quickly, I mean it took me 3 years to get to where he was at the end of training camp.”

That is fair, Mac did play decent his rookie season.  Maybe it was all about McDaniels.  But what was wrong with O'Brien?  Was he a worse OC than Patricia?  Because Mac was worse under O'Brien than he was under Patricia.  He lost the job to Bailey Zappe.  If you are going to argue that he was decent his rookie year, you have to concede that he was terrible last season.  And if you are blaming Patricia for the bad second season, are you blaming Bill O'Brien for last season?

Mac got what he wanted.  They got rid of Patricia (and Judge) and brought in Bill O'Brien.  And Mac got worse, not better.  Had he stepped up and played well, it might have changed everything.  The team would have got behind him.  But he didn't step up and play well.  He regressed and displayed even worse body language.

I accept that there is a chance that the QB we saw his rookie season may still be in there.  But he was really bad last season, beyond anything you can blame on coaching.

[green_bballers13]

Hoyer on Mac learning McDaniels complex offense:

“Mac’s rookie year I was convinced that people were telling him the answers to the questions in the room or giving him the script on the field because I had never seen someone that young learn that offense so quickly, I mean it took me 3 years to get to where he was at the end of training camp.”

That is fair, Mac did play decent his rookie season.  Maybe it was all about McDaniels.  But what was wrong with O'Brien?  Was he a worse OC than Patricia?  Because Mac was worse under O'Brien than he was under Patricia.  He lost the job to Bailey Zappe.  If you are going to argue that he was decent his rookie year, you have to concede that he was terrible last season.  And if you are blaming Patricia for the bad second season, are you blaming Bill O'Brien for last season?

Mac got what he wanted.  They got rid of Patricia (and Judge) and brought in Bill O'Brien.  And Mac got worse, not better.  Had he stepped up and played well, it might have changed everything.  The team would have got behind him.  But he didn't step up and play well.  He regressed and displayed even worse body language.

I accept that there is a chance that the QB we saw his rookie season may still be in there.  But he was really bad last season, beyond anything you can blame on coaching.

Mac also lost the locker room. The defense was upset consistently. He wasn't demonstrating leadership skills.

[Moranis]

Good interview between Hoyer and Curran from earlier today.. some behind the scenes insight regarding what took place in NE before he left.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hmxhL6dOMe8&pp=ygUWYnJpYW4gaG95ZXIgdG9tIGN1cnJhbg%3D%3D

Great interview, TP

According to Hoyer, McDaniels and Brady developed a very complex but effective offense, with many branching variables to core plays to keep defenses on their heels. But Judge and Patricia jettisoned this for a hodgepodge offense that lacked purpose and was more predictable.

Hoyer insinuates that Mac pushed back on this and got railroaded. Hoyer's disillusionment probably also cost him his job as well.

This is interesting and thanks for the summary, but there is a flaw in Hoyer's logic.  The flaw is that even after they brought in Bill O'Brien, the offense was still rudimentary.  The problem or limitation is that you can only do as much with the complexity of the offense as the weakest link will allow.  The links are QB, OL, and targets.

Since the offense did not get any better or complex with O'Brien, it is hard to conclude that the issue was the coaching.  The core issue was that the OL and the QB limited what you could do.  If you tried to do more then the ability of these elements of the offense would allow, you are just going to end up sacked or intercepted.  The targets are a factor also but in this case, the OL and the QB were so bad, that the targets didn't even matter.

If you want to see a more complex or nuanced offense, you have to restore the infrastructure of the OL first and foremost (this includes TE and RB contributing to pass protection).  Then you need the QB.  Then you need some time with all of this in place.  It can take more than 1 season to layer in all the levels of the more complex offenses (it isn't going to happen in a single preseason).  And I don't think you need a Mahomes at QB, just a good solid QB who can process at the NFL speed of the game.

And if even 1 element breaks down, the play is busted.  If the OL doesn't read the stunts, if TE doesn't "chip" the right rusher, if the RB doesn't read the blitz, if the QB doesn't stay cool and make the read (pre-snap and otherwise), if any of these fail, the play is busted.  And it doesn't matter how good your top WR is. 

This is why the Pats play-calling was limited to such simple plays.  If Mac was complaining, it tells me he doesn't understand because it was very clear he couldn't handle even the simple offense that they were deploying (out of necessity).

Hoyer on Mac learning McDaniels complex offense:

“Mac’s rookie year I was convinced that people were telling him the answers to the questions in the room or giving him the script on the field because I had never seen someone that young learn that offense so quickly, I mean it took me 3 years to get to where he was at the end of training camp.”

Hoyer has been doing a lot of talking lately and he is coming off like the biggest **** in the sport's history.

Just curious- what didn't you like that he said?

He is pretty clearly putting Mac down, minimizing what Mac did, and making it seem like because it took him 3 years to learn that everyone should learn like him.  It is smug, arrogant, and all sorts of other negative things.  I don't think he is being dishonest, as I believe he thinks that, it just makes him look like an ****.  He also had comments recently about other young QB's.  He is just sounding more and more like the a crotchety old man shouting get off my lawn.

[Moranis]

Hoyer on Mac learning McDaniels complex offense:

“Mac’s rookie year I was convinced that people were telling him the answers to the questions in the room or giving him the script on the field because I had never seen someone that young learn that offense so quickly, I mean it took me 3 years to get to where he was at the end of training camp.”

That is fair, Mac did play decent his rookie season.  Maybe it was all about McDaniels.  But what was wrong with O'Brien?  Was he a worse OC than Patricia?  Because Mac was worse under O'Brien than he was under Patricia.  He lost the job to Bailey Zappe.  If you are going to argue that he was decent his rookie year, you have to concede that he was terrible last season.  And if you are blaming Patricia for the bad second season, are you blaming Bill O'Brien for last season?

Mac got what he wanted.  They got rid of Patricia (and Judge) and brought in Bill O'Brien.  And Mac got worse, not better.  Had he stepped up and played well, it might have changed everything.  The team would have got behind him.  But he didn't step up and play well.  He regressed and displayed even worse body language.

I accept that there is a chance that the QB we saw his rookie season may still be in there.  But he was really bad last season, beyond anything you can blame on coaching.

Unless Bill was the problem all along. 

[johnnygreen]

Hoyer on Mac learning McDaniels complex offense:

“Mac’s rookie year I was convinced that people were telling him the answers to the questions in the room or giving him the script on the field because I had never seen someone that young learn that offense so quickly, I mean it took me 3 years to get to where he was at the end of training camp.”

That is fair, Mac did play decent his rookie season.  Maybe it was all about McDaniels.  But what was wrong with O'Brien?  Was he a worse OC than Patricia?  Because Mac was worse under O'Brien than he was under Patricia.  He lost the job to Bailey Zappe.  If you are going to argue that he was decent his rookie year, you have to concede that he was terrible last season.  And if you are blaming Patricia for the bad second season, are you blaming Bill O'Brien for last season?

Mac got what he wanted.  They got rid of Patricia (and Judge) and brought in Bill O'Brien.  And Mac got worse, not better.  Had he stepped up and played well, it might have changed everything.  The team would have got behind him.  But he didn't step up and play well.  He regressed and displayed even worse body language.

I accept that there is a chance that the QB we saw his rookie season may still be in there.  But he was really bad last season, beyond anything you can blame on coaching.

You are severely underestimating the loss of Jakobi Meyers, who seemingly always found ways to get open and was a reliable receiver. If the Patriots still had him, maybe the offense could have sustained longer drives by converting third downs.

Meyers may not be a number 1 receiver, but he was reliable, which is a trait none of the Patriots receivers had last season.

[green_bballers13]

Hoyer on Mac learning McDaniels complex offense:

“Mac’s rookie year I was convinced that people were telling him the answers to the questions in the room or giving him the script on the field because I had never seen someone that young learn that offense so quickly, I mean it took me 3 years to get to where he was at the end of training camp.”

That is fair, Mac did play decent his rookie season.  Maybe it was all about McDaniels.  But what was wrong with O'Brien?  Was he a worse OC than Patricia?  Because Mac was worse under O'Brien than he was under Patricia.  He lost the job to Bailey Zappe.  If you are going to argue that he was decent his rookie year, you have to concede that he was terrible last season.  And if you are blaming Patricia for the bad second season, are you blaming Bill O'Brien for last season?

Mac got what he wanted.  They got rid of Patricia (and Judge) and brought in Bill O'Brien.  And Mac got worse, not better.  Had he stepped up and played well, it might have changed everything.  The team would have got behind him.  But he didn't step up and play well.  He regressed and displayed even worse body language.

I accept that there is a chance that the QB we saw his rookie season may still be in there.  But he was really bad last season, beyond anything you can blame on coaching.

Unless Bill was the problem all along.

You seem to be Mac Jones' biggest fan. Why can't Mac Jones' struggles be attributed to Mac Jones?

[Vermont Green]

Hoyer on Mac learning McDaniels complex offense:

“Mac’s rookie year I was convinced that people were telling him the answers to the questions in the room or giving him the script on the field because I had never seen someone that young learn that offense so quickly, I mean it took me 3 years to get to where he was at the end of training camp.”

That is fair, Mac did play decent his rookie season.  Maybe it was all about McDaniels.  But what was wrong with O'Brien?  Was he a worse OC than Patricia?  Because Mac was worse under O'Brien than he was under Patricia.  He lost the job to Bailey Zappe.  If you are going to argue that he was decent his rookie year, you have to concede that he was terrible last season.  And if you are blaming Patricia for the bad second season, are you blaming Bill O'Brien for last season?

Mac got what he wanted.  They got rid of Patricia (and Judge) and brought in Bill O'Brien.  And Mac got worse, not better.  Had he stepped up and played well, it might have changed everything.  The team would have got behind him.  But he didn't step up and play well.  He regressed and displayed even worse body language.

I accept that there is a chance that the QB we saw his rookie season may still be in there.  But he was really bad last season, beyond anything you can blame on coaching.

Unless Bill was the problem all along.

Ah.  So Belichick wasn’t the problem in Mac’s rookie season, or for the prior 20 seasons, but he became the problem last season?  Sorry, that does not add up for me.  All things matter to some degree, but last season, Mac was horrible and that is mostly on him. 

[Goldstar88]

Hoyer on Mac learning McDaniels complex offense:

“Mac’s rookie year I was convinced that people were telling him the answers to the questions in the room or giving him the script on the field because I had never seen someone that young learn that offense so quickly, I mean it took me 3 years to get to where he was at the end of training camp.”

That is fair, Mac did play decent his rookie season.  Maybe it was all about McDaniels.  But what was wrong with O'Brien?  Was he a worse OC than Patricia?  Because Mac was worse under O'Brien than he was under Patricia.  He lost the job to Bailey Zappe.  If you are going to argue that he was decent his rookie year, you have to concede that he was terrible last season.  And if you are blaming Patricia for the bad second season, are you blaming Bill O'Brien for last season?

Mac got what he wanted.  They got rid of Patricia (and Judge) and brought in Bill O'Brien.  And Mac got worse, not better.  Had he stepped up and played well, it might have changed everything.  The team would have got behind him.  But he didn't step up and play well.  He regressed and displayed even worse body language.

I accept that there is a chance that the QB we saw his rookie season may still be in there.  But he was really bad last season, beyond anything you can blame on coaching.

It wasn’t all about McDaniels, though. They had a decent O-line that year and better receivers. Losing Myers was huge. Things likely would have been better with O’Brien this year if the O-line wasn’t atrocious and if Jakobi was still here. With that said, McDaniels is a better OC than O’Brien and the team was more talented Josh’s last year here.

Overall, Mac was bad last year, but it’s not really surprising considering he spent good portion of games on his back due to poor protection by the OL. The Pats also chose not to re-sign Myers which was a huge mistake and it sounds like the relationship between Belichick and Mac was beyond repair from what had transpired the previous year when Patricia was OC. I wouldn’t view that as Mac “getting what he wanted.”

I think it’s also important to note that Zappe looked just as bad when he played this past season, Stevenson did not have a good year and neither did any of the WR’s or TE’s. Most of that seems to be due to the O-line being so poor. Hard to do much on offense if the QB and receivers don’t have any time and the RB’s don’t have holes to run though. It’s easy to blame the QB, but really the whole offense was bad.

[green_bballers13]

Hoyer on Mac learning McDaniels complex offense:

“Mac’s rookie year I was convinced that people were telling him the answers to the questions in the room or giving him the script on the field because I had never seen someone that young learn that offense so quickly, I mean it took me 3 years to get to where he was at the end of training camp.”

That is fair, Mac did play decent his rookie season.  Maybe it was all about McDaniels.  But what was wrong with O'Brien?  Was he a worse OC than Patricia?  Because Mac was worse under O'Brien than he was under Patricia.  He lost the job to Bailey Zappe.  If you are going to argue that he was decent his rookie year, you have to concede that he was terrible last season.  And if you are blaming Patricia for the bad second season, are you blaming Bill O'Brien for last season?

Mac got what he wanted.  They got rid of Patricia (and Judge) and brought in Bill O'Brien.  And Mac got worse, not better.  Had he stepped up and played well, it might have changed everything.  The team would have got behind him.  But he didn't step up and play well.  He regressed and displayed even worse body language.

I accept that there is a chance that the QB we saw his rookie season may still be in there.  But he was really bad last season, beyond anything you can blame on coaching.

It wasn’t all about McDaniels, though. They had a decent O-line that year and better receivers. Losing Myers was huge. Things likely would have been better with O’Brien this year if the O-line wasn’t atrocious and if Jakobi was still here. With that said, McDaniels is a better OC than O’Brien and the team was more talented Josh’s last year here.

Overall, Mac was bad last year, but it’s not really surprising considering he spent good portion of games on his back due to poor protection by the OL. The Pats also chose not to re-sign Myers which was a huge mistake and it sounds like the relationship between Belichick and Mac was beyond repair from what had transpired the previous year when Patricia was OC. I wouldn’t view that as Mac “getting what he wanted.”

I think it’s also important to note that Zappe looked just as bad when he played this past season, Stevenson did not have a good year and neither did any of the WR’s or TE’s. Most of that seems to be due to the O-line being so poor. Hard to do much on offense if the QB and receivers don’t have any time and the RB’s don’t have holes to run though. It’s easy to blame the QB, but really the whole offense was bad.

I think it's easiest to blame the coach, followed by blaming the quarterback. Yes, the entire offense was a trainwreck. There's not one person to blame.

I think they will end up drafting Daniels or Maye, and will sign a couple of free agent o-linemen. I'm optimistic that they can rebuild, but it will take time.

[Vermont Green]

I think it's easiest to blame the coach, followed by blaming the quarterback. Yes, the entire offense was a trainwreck. There's not one person to blame.

I think they will end up drafting Daniels or Maye, and will sign a couple of free agent o-linemen. I'm optimistic that they can rebuild, but it will take time.

I agree with this.  Offensive lines tend to look really bad until the right combination is found, until things click.  It only takes one weak link in the OL for the whole thing to break down.  The Pats had a lot of injuries in the OL last season, exposing a lot of weak links.  A principal goal should be to replenish the OL depth and overall ability.  I am sure they will do this with draft picks and FAs.

The tougher question is whether or not Mac Jones, behind at least a decent OL, and with at least decent coaching, and at least decent weapons, can be a decent QB.  I don't know, arguments can be crafted either way, but I have my doubts.

I am perfectly fine to pick one of Maye or Daniels at #3 but I would also like to see a vet brought in.  That may be easier said than done.  What Vet QB is going to want to sign up to be a designated place holder?  Probably only the ones with no other options.