Patriots 2023 Season

[green_bballers13]

This reporting is from January, but it is all I could find:

If the Bears trade Fields, they could get a draft pick as high as a second rounder, which takes into account recent quarterback trades.

The consensus in an informal poll of league evaluators is that Fields would be worth a second- or third-round pick in a pre-draft trade. When compared to former top-10 picks recently traded, that’s better than Trey Lance, whom Dallas acquired from San Francisco for a fourth-round pick, but slightly worse than Sam Darnold, who, along with a sixth-round pick, went from the Jets to Carolina in exchange for second- and fourth-rounders.

A second round pick is probably about right, but to say a third and maybe a 6th or something like that, wouldn't necessarily be all that far off either.  I don't know.  It seems getting Fields for either a 2nd or a 3rd is still a good trade.  A 4th is probably unrealistic.  He has been an average NFL QB for a couple of seasons, on a bad team.  That is quite a bit more than you can say about either Sam Darnold or Trey Lance (or Mac Jones).

I like Fields, but my only hang up is that he's going to want to get paid $30m per year soon. It's probably the only reason the Bears are willing to trade him and draft Caleb Williams.

$30m is a lot of money for a guy that has gone 6-11, 3-14, and 7-10. He has shown flashes, but he's not nearly consistent enough to warrant serious draft capital and a large paycheck.

*btw, in isolation, I don't think Caleb is good enough to win more than 7 games with the Bears. They need to add more to their roster, regardless of their QB.

[PAOBoston]

Fields will fetch at least a second rounder I think.

I’d be shocked at that. 3rd or 4th rounder more likely.

That's not what every plugged in NFL reporter is predicting.

No one is giving up a second round pick for an oft injured QB that can’t throw who wants an extension.

[Moranis]

With the potential of losing Cousins for nothing this offseason, the Vikings have been a hot candidate to draft a quarterback in a stacked QB class. Orlovsky said the Vikings should move up to take one of the top quarterbacks to replace Cousins and keep Jefferson happy.

"Minnesota is going to have to make a move at quarterback," Orlovsky said. "Last year they tried to go up and get Anthony [Richardson]. At least per reports. I don't know if those are 100% accurate but they tried to get Richardson. I could see them moving up again this year."

There has been a lot of talk about the Vikings trading Jefferson, which I didn't understand.  I guess the logic is that the can't afford both Cousins and Jefferson.  What Orlovsky says here is that the Vikings are probably looking to move up to get a young QB, but not then trading Jefferson too.  This seems to make more sense.  If you move up to take a QB, you are not going to sign Cousins too.  If you don't sign Cousins, you probably have the money to keep Jefferson.

MIN has pick #11.  That is not a bad place to start.  I don't think we necessarily need to have Jefferson in the trade for it to be potentially a good trade.  They also have pick #42.  So pick #11, pick #42, and a first next season for the #3?  is that fair value?  Or could we get more?

That seems about right for the Pats, but the Vikings would have to really like Daniels or hope that Maye falls to 3. 

I suspect the Vikings trading up probably happens at the draft when they see how it shakes out.  They might only have to move up to like 6 to get Daniels, which probably allows them to keep the 1st next year (and trade a 2nd instead or something like that).

[Vermont Green]

With the potential of losing Cousins for nothing this offseason, the Vikings have been a hot candidate to draft a quarterback in a stacked QB class. Orlovsky said the Vikings should move up to take one of the top quarterbacks to replace Cousins and keep Jefferson happy.

"Minnesota is going to have to make a move at quarterback," Orlovsky said. "Last year they tried to go up and get Anthony [Richardson]. At least per reports. I don't know if those are 100% accurate but they tried to get Richardson. I could see them moving up again this year."

There has been a lot of talk about the Vikings trading Jefferson, which I didn't understand.  I guess the logic is that the can't afford both Cousins and Jefferson.  What Orlovsky says here is that the Vikings are probably looking to move up to get a young QB, but not then trading Jefferson too.  This seems to make more sense.  If you move up to take a QB, you are not going to sign Cousins too.  If you don't sign Cousins, you probably have the money to keep Jefferson.

MIN has pick #11.  That is not a bad place to start.  I don't think we necessarily need to have Jefferson in the trade for it to be potentially a good trade.  They also have pick #42.  So pick #11, pick #42, and a first next season for the #3?  is that fair value?  Or could we get more?

That seems about right for the Pats, but the Vikings would have to really like Daniels or hope that Maye falls to 3. 

I suspect the Vikings trading up probably happens at the draft when they see how it shakes out. They might only have to move up to like 6 to get Daniels, which probably allows them to keep the 1st next year (and trade a 2nd instead or something like that).

Maybe, but if the Pats keep the pick, they likely take Daniels.  If they trade the pick, it will likely be so someone who wants a QB.  Daniels could slide past #3, but there are also several realistic scenarios where he is taken at #3.  It it also fair to assume that Arizona, Chargers, and Giants at 4,5,6, all are not likely to take a QB.  So if Daniels does get past #3, he could stay on the board for a while.

So if I am the Pats, I would message that there is interest from teams who want a QB and see if MIN takes the bait.  Or they can say that if they don't get a deal they like, they are just going to take Daniels.  If MIN really wants Daniels, it would be very risky to just wait and see if he falls.

[Goldstar88]

Fields will fetch at least a second rounder I think.

I’d be shocked at that. 3rd or 4th rounder more likely.

That's not what every plugged in NFL reporter is predicting.

No one is giving up a second round pick for an oft injured QB that can’t throw who wants an extension.

I agree. Fields is going into year 4 and he hasn’t had a good season yet. Has weapons to throw to in Chicago as well.

[Roy H.]

Fields will fetch at least a second rounder I think.

I’d be shocked at that. 3rd or 4th rounder more likely.

That's not what every plugged in NFL reporter is predicting.

No one is giving up a second round pick for an oft injured QB that can’t throw who wants an extension.

I guess we'll see, but the experts disagree. 

ESPN’s Matt Miller recently wrote the Bears could get a second-round pick for Fields, which would recoup the one they traded to the Washington Commanders for Montez Sweat at the trade deadline.

During an appearance on Waddle and Silvy on ESPN 1000 in Chicago, Adam Schefter said that should be fair. However, he thinks the Bears could get an even better pick.


“Definitely,” Schefter said when asked if he thinks Chicago would get a second-round pick for Fields. “I think they might get a 1.”

[Neurotic Guy]

With the potential of losing Cousins for nothing this offseason, the Vikings have been a hot candidate to draft a quarterback in a stacked QB class. Orlovsky said the Vikings should move up to take one of the top quarterbacks to replace Cousins and keep Jefferson happy.

"Minnesota is going to have to make a move at quarterback," Orlovsky said. "Last year they tried to go up and get Anthony [Richardson]. At least per reports. I don't know if those are 100% accurate but they tried to get Richardson. I could see them moving up again this year."

There has been a lot of talk about the Vikings trading Jefferson, which I didn't understand.  I guess the logic is that the can't afford both Cousins and Jefferson.  What Orlovsky says here is that the Vikings are probably looking to move up to get a young QB, but not then trading Jefferson too.  This seems to make more sense.  If you move up to take a QB, you are not going to sign Cousins too.  If you don't sign Cousins, you probably have the money to keep Jefferson.

MIN has pick #11.  That is not a bad place to start.  I don't think we necessarily need to have Jefferson in the trade for it to be potentially a good trade.  They also have pick #42.  So pick #11, pick #42, and a first next season for the #3?  is that fair value?  Or could we get more?

That seems about right for the Pats, but the Vikings would have to really like Daniels or hope that Maye falls to 3. 

I suspect the Vikings trading up probably happens at the draft when they see how it shakes out. They might only have to move up to like 6 to get Daniels, which probably allows them to keep the 1st next year (and trade a 2nd instead or something like that).

Maybe, but if the Pats keep the pick, they likely take Daniels.  If they trade the pick, it will likely be so someone who wants a QB.  Daniels could slide past #3, but there are also several realistic scenarios where he is taken at #3.  It it also fair to assume that Arizona, Chargers, and Giants at 4,5,6, all are not likely to take a QB.  So if Daniels does get past #3, he could stay on the board for a while.

So if I am the Pats, I would message that there is interest from teams who want a QB and see if MIN takes the bait.  Or they can say that if they don't get a deal they like, they are just going to take Daniels.  If MIN really wants Daniels, it would be very risky to just wait and see if he falls.

I don’t know who the guest was I heard on Zolak & Bertrand on Friday, but he and show’s hosts were in agreement that Daniels is going 2.  None seemed enamored with Maye. 

[green_bballers13]

With the potential of losing Cousins for nothing this offseason, the Vikings have been a hot candidate to draft a quarterback in a stacked QB class. Orlovsky said the Vikings should move up to take one of the top quarterbacks to replace Cousins and keep Jefferson happy.

"Minnesota is going to have to make a move at quarterback," Orlovsky said. "Last year they tried to go up and get Anthony [Richardson]. At least per reports. I don't know if those are 100% accurate but they tried to get Richardson. I could see them moving up again this year."

There has been a lot of talk about the Vikings trading Jefferson, which I didn't understand.  I guess the logic is that the can't afford both Cousins and Jefferson.  What Orlovsky says here is that the Vikings are probably looking to move up to get a young QB, but not then trading Jefferson too.  This seems to make more sense.  If you move up to take a QB, you are not going to sign Cousins too.  If you don't sign Cousins, you probably have the money to keep Jefferson.

MIN has pick #11.  That is not a bad place to start.  I don't think we necessarily need to have Jefferson in the trade for it to be potentially a good trade.  They also have pick #42.  So pick #11, pick #42, and a first next season for the #3?  is that fair value?  Or could we get more?

That seems about right for the Pats, but the Vikings would have to really like Daniels or hope that Maye falls to 3. 

I suspect the Vikings trading up probably happens at the draft when they see how it shakes out. They might only have to move up to like 6 to get Daniels, which probably allows them to keep the 1st next year (and trade a 2nd instead or something like that).

Maybe, but if the Pats keep the pick, they likely take Daniels.  If they trade the pick, it will likely be so someone who wants a QB.  Daniels could slide past #3, but there are also several realistic scenarios where he is taken at #3.  It it also fair to assume that Arizona, Chargers, and Giants at 4,5,6, all are not likely to take a QB.  So if Daniels does get past #3, he could stay on the board for a while.

So if I am the Pats, I would message that there is interest from teams who want a QB and see if MIN takes the bait.  Or they can say that if they don't get a deal they like, they are just going to take Daniels.  If MIN really wants Daniels, it would be very risky to just wait and see if he falls.

I don’t know who the guest I heard on Zolak & Bertrand, but and show’s hosts were in agreement that Daniels is going 2.  None seemed enamored with Maye.

Daniels is a better athlete and had a much better year. The league likes dual threat QBs.

That being said, Drake Maye is younger and didn't have LSU's supporting cast. His best receiver Tez Walker was out of the lineup because of eligibility at the beginning of the year. That, and he apparently has hands made of stone.

This is all conjecture. No one predicted that Tom, Lamar, or Purdy would have been as good as they turned out.

[SparzWizard]

Mac Jones likely to get traded per reports

[Phantom255x]

Mac Jones likely to get traded per reports

The only place I can potentially see him starting games is the Vikings if they let go of Cousins and don't add another legit QB. Maybe have Mac as a "bridge" to a younger guy like Penix/Nix/McCarthy if they go that route.

Otherwise, his best shot is just being a backup on a team like the Niners, Rams, Bucs or Falcons. Maybe a chance to compete at Tampa or Atlanta for a starting gig depending on what they do in FA + the draft.

[Silas]

Mac Jones likely to get traded per reports

The only place I can potentially see him starting games is the Vikings if they let go of Cousins and don't add another legit QB. Maybe have Mac as a "bridge" to a younger guy like Penix/Nix/McCarthy if they go that route.

Otherwise, his best shot is just being a backup on a team like the Niners, Rams, Bucs or Falcons. Maybe a chance to compete at Tampa or Atlanta for a starting gig depending on what they do in FA + the draft.

Mac, we hardly knew you!

[Goldstar88]

Mac Jones likely to get traded per reports

For what? Mac’s  value is at an all time low. I’d rather keep him vs getting a 5th or 6th round pick even if they draft a QB. Let him and the Rook push each other. Can always move him later on or maybe he gets back to how he played his rookie year.

[green_bballers13]

Mac Jones likely to get traded per reports

For what? Mac’s  value is at an all time low. I’d rather keep him vs getting a 5th or 6th round pick even if they draft a QB. Let him and the Rook push each other. Can always move him later on or maybe he gets back to how he played his rookie year.

If one of the other 31 teams want to trade anything of value for Mac, the Patriots should do so. I believe the rumors that he lost the locker room, especially on the defensive side of the ball. I can't imagine those guys enjoyed losing games when they played really well.

[Neurotic Guy]

Mac Jones likely to get traded per reports

For what? Mac’s  value is at an all time low. I’d rather keep him vs getting a 5th or 6th round pick even if they draft a QB. Let him and the Rook push each other. Can always move him later on or maybe he gets back to how he played his rookie year.

If one of 32 teams want to trade anything of value for Mac, the Patriots should do so. I believe the rumors that he lost the locker room, especially on the defensive side of the ball. I can't imagine those guys enjoyed losing games that they played really well.

I guess I agree.  If they can get a 4th it’s a no-brainer but a 5th or a 6th still do it.  Ending the Mac era will be good for pats and for Mac. 

[celticsclay]

Mac Jones likely to get traded per reports

The only place I can potentially see him starting games is the Vikings if they let go of Cousins and don't add another legit QB. Maybe have Mac as a "bridge" to a younger guy like Penix/Nix/McCarthy if they go that route.

Otherwise, his best shot is just being a backup on a team like the Niners, Rams, Bucs or Falcons. Maybe a chance to compete at Tampa or Atlanta for a starting gig depending on what they do in FA + the draft.

Not sure how many more times I need to write this In the thread but pennix has been In college for more than a half decade and is not young. He is about 16 months younger than jones.