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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1305 on: December 18, 2023, 10:08:51 AM »

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It’s pretty obvious the Pats were just trying to keep it a respectable score at the end. Even the Chiefs obliged and kneeled it with 40 secs to go.

The way the commentators were talking about Belichick though in the 4th quarter was like a eulogy. Feels like he’s gonna be done in New England and most people secretly know it including the reporters

Imagine if the "change" that Kraft has in mind is for Bill to finish up as coach and take on the GM role full time  :police:

I think this is very likely in fact.  Bill can take a role where he can mentor both the next coach and the next GM, while being president of football or something.

The problem with trying to be both the head coach and the GM is that they are both full time jobs.  No matter how good you are at either or both, it is hard to do both at the same time.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1306 on: December 18, 2023, 10:14:47 AM »

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It’s pretty obvious the Pats were just trying to keep it a respectable score at the end. Even the Chiefs obliged and kneeled it with 40 secs to go.

The way the commentators were talking about Belichick though in the 4th quarter was like a eulogy. Feels like he’s gonna be done in New England and most people secretly know it including the reporters

Imagine if the "change" that Kraft has in mind is for Bill to finish up as coach and take on the GM role full time  :police:

I think this is very likely in fact.  Bill can take a role where he can mentor both the next coach and the next GM, while being president of football or something.

The problem with trying to be both the head coach and the GM is that they are both full time jobs.  No matter how good you are at either or both, it is hard to do both at the same time.

I don’t think this is at all likely.  I think Kraft will try to get compensation from another team (San Diego being the most likely) as Bill continues his coaching career elsewhere.


EDIT:  Just realized I forgot the Chargers aren’t in San Diego any more.
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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1307 on: December 18, 2023, 10:15:10 AM »

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Belichick's going after Shula's record. I don't see why he'd give up coaching in any form. It's just a matter of if it is in New England or elsewhere. Honestly, if Dallas stumbles and has an early playoff exit, I think McCarthy could get fired and that suddenly is a very real possibility for Belichick. Work with Parsons, build up that Dallas defense further and clean up the fundamental stuff. Still have Dak and some weapons and he can hire another assistant/coordinator (McDaniels lol?) to help there. Dallas already has a GM so Belichick wouldn't have to worry too much on that end.
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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1308 on: December 18, 2023, 11:31:18 AM »

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I think this is very likely in fact.  Bill can take a role where he can mentor both the next coach and the next GM, while being president of football or something.

The problem with trying to be both the head coach and the GM is that they are both full time jobs.  No matter how good you are at either or both, it is hard to do both at the same time.

I don’t think this is at all likely.  I think Kraft will try to get compensation from another team (San Diego being the most likely) as Bill continues his coaching career elsewhere.

You are not alone, this seems to be what everyone is thinking.  I obviously have no inside information, I am just giving my opinion like everyone else.  The idea of "trading" Bill Belichick just seems too far out to me.  Or even Bill agreeing to being traded.

The one scenario that I could see is that the Krafts offer him this President of Football title but tell him he has to hand over the coaching, or vice verse, if you want to coach, you need to accept an empowered GM be brought in.  Bill could say, no, and then they trade him.  But will this really come to that?  Maybe.

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1309 on: December 18, 2023, 11:35:34 AM »

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It’s pretty obvious the Pats were just trying to keep it a respectable score at the end. Even the Chiefs obliged and kneeled it with 40 secs to go.

The way the commentators were talking about Belichick though in the 4th quarter was like a eulogy. Feels like he’s gonna be done in New England and most people secretly know it including the reporters

Imagine if the "change" that Kraft has in mind is for Bill to finish up as coach and take on the GM role full time  :police:

That would be awful. The Pats would continue to have a good defense but a terrible offense, terrible QB, and a terrible kicker.
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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1310 on: December 18, 2023, 11:40:39 AM »

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I think this is very likely in fact.  Bill can take a role where he can mentor both the next coach and the next GM, while being president of football or something.

The problem with trying to be both the head coach and the GM is that they are both full time jobs.  No matter how good you are at either or both, it is hard to do both at the same time.

I don’t think this is at all likely.  I think Kraft will try to get compensation from another team (San Diego being the most likely) as Bill continues his coaching career elsewhere.

You are not alone, this seems to be what everyone is thinking.  I obviously have no inside information, I am just giving my opinion like everyone else.  The idea of "trading" Bill Belichick just seems too far out to me.  Or even Bill agreeing to being traded.

The one scenario that I could see is that the Krafts offer him this President of Football title but tell him he has to hand over the coaching, or vice verse, if you want to coach, you need to accept an empowered GM be brought in.  Bill could say, no, and then they trade him.  But will this really come to that?  Maybe.

Kraft has already been involved with two coaching transactions under his regime (Parcells & Belichick) which is why I think the organization will play a bit of hardball and demand compensation for Belichick to go elsewhere in '24. 

The track record is there.


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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1311 on: December 18, 2023, 12:12:11 PM »

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I think this is very likely in fact.  Bill can take a role where he can mentor both the next coach and the next GM, while being president of football or something.

The problem with trying to be both the head coach and the GM is that they are both full time jobs.  No matter how good you are at either or both, it is hard to do both at the same time.

I don’t think this is at all likely.  I think Kraft will try to get compensation from another team (San Diego being the most likely) as Bill continues his coaching career elsewhere.

You are not alone, this seems to be what everyone is thinking.  I obviously have no inside information, I am just giving my opinion like everyone else.  The idea of "trading" Bill Belichick just seems too far out to me.  Or even Bill agreeing to being traded.

The one scenario that I could see is that the Krafts offer him this President of Football title but tell him he has to hand over the coaching, or vice verse, if you want to coach, you need to accept an empowered GM be brought in.  Bill could say, no, and then they trade him.  But will this really come to that?  Maybe.

Kraft has already been involved with two coaching transactions under his regime (Parcells & Belichick) which is why I think the organization will play a bit of hardball and demand compensation for Belichick to go elsewhere in '24. 
 
The track record is there.

So I break it down this way, even before any kind of transaction can be considered, the Krafts would have to have decided to push Bill out.  That they don't want him as coach or otherwise in the organization.  Essentially fire him.  But Bill has to want to be traded too.  No team is going to trade for Bill if he doesn't want to be traded.

Scenario 1:  Krafts offer Bill that he can coach but they are going to bring in a full time GM.  I don't see Bill liking this and I don't see it as all that likely to be what the Krafts want either.

Scenario 2:  Krafts decide that it is time to start transitioning to a new coach and offer Bill the President of Football role.  But Bill has to let the new coach be the coach.  If that is someone like Mayo, Bill could still have some influence, provide some mentoring.  If it is a whole new person, Bill will have to let that person coach independently.  Bill may not like this either, but to me, this is the most likely.

Scenario 3:  If Bill does not accept either 1 or 2, then the Krafts may consider trading Bill and Bill is willing to be traded.  But what if Bill doesn't want to be traded either?  What makes people think Bill wants to be "traded" to San Diego or where ever?  Even if this is what the Krafts want, Bill has to go along too?  I don't see it.

Scenario 4:  Bill tells the Krafts that he won't accept a trade and doesn't want to give up any responsibility.  Then what?  The Krafts aren't going to be able to trade him so if they want to "fire" him, they have to release him and Bill can go where he wants, if he wants.
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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1312 on: December 18, 2023, 02:28:33 PM »

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Belichick's going after Shula's record. I don't see why he'd give up coaching in any form. It's just a matter of if it is in New England or elsewhere. Honestly, if Dallas stumbles and has an early playoff exit, I think McCarthy could get fired and that suddenly is a very real possibility for Belichick. Work with Parsons, build up that Dallas defense further and clean up the fundamental stuff. Still have Dak and some weapons and he can hire another assistant/coordinator (McDaniels lol?) to help there. Dallas already has a GM so Belichick wouldn't have to worry too much on that end.

This. His best chance is to go to Dallas to win more games. Despite the Chargers having vacancies in both positions, they don't really offer Belichick the best chance to win (Superbowls).


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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1313 on: December 18, 2023, 02:38:59 PM »

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I think Dallas and LA are great opportunities for Bill. They both have a top 10 qb and at least one top 10 defensive player. Dallas is a target destination for obvious reasons. I think the Chargers can attract even more talent (if needed).

That being said, I'm not sure if free agents want to play for Belichick. Either way, I think he can coach for a couple of years to lock up the wins record, then either retire or continue in some other capacity.

I think Bill would do well in Ernie Adams' position upstairs. He's a smart guy, and could focus exclusively on play calling vs personnel. He's getting older and is less relatable to the players than ever. It's time for him to move on, and I would welcome him back in some other role in a couple of years.
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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1314 on: December 18, 2023, 10:09:14 PM »

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Belichick's going after Shula's record. I don't see why he'd give up coaching in any form. It's just a matter of if it is in New England or elsewhere. Honestly, if Dallas stumbles and has an early playoff exit, I think McCarthy could get fired and that suddenly is a very real possibility for Belichick. Work with Parsons, build up that Dallas defense further and clean up the fundamental stuff. Still have Dak and some weapons and he can hire another assistant/coordinator (McDaniels lol?) to help there. Dallas already has a GM so Belichick wouldn't have to worry too much on that end.

Shula is one of the most over-rated NFL coaches.  Belichick's legacy is so much better already, regardless of whether he ever gets more wins. That is such an empty measurement really.  Shula only won 2 Super Bowls, and lost 4.  Managed to not win any with one of the most talented QBs in NFL history, Dan Marino.  Which is funny when you consider all the recent dismissal of Belichick for only winning because he had a really good QB.  Love Brady, but Tom wasn't even the best QB in the NFL for much of his career, if you go by MVPs, Peyton was. 

Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1315 on: December 18, 2023, 10:34:28 PM »

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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1316 on: December 19, 2023, 07:29:41 AM »

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I think one of the biggest goals this season should be to extend Barmore. He has turned into a beast. I believe with his current trajectory he could be one of the best DT/big Ends in the league.

He has always flashed potential, but he has truly turned a corner this year. He generates pressure at a high rate, and eats up blocks.
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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1317 on: December 19, 2023, 09:21:03 AM »

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What level of draft pick would it take for the Patriots to absorb Russell Wilson into their cap space?  If the Broncos offered a 2nd rounder and Wilson for nothing, would you do it?
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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1318 on: December 19, 2023, 09:34:21 AM »

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What level of draft pick would it take for the Patriots to absorb Russell Wilson into their cap space?  If the Broncos offered a 2nd rounder and Wilson for nothing, would you do it?

No.  Pats have several needs on both sides of the roster and a boatload of pending free agents.  They're projected to have a ton of cap room but have some hard decisions in front of them already with their roster.  Tying up $35M in a 35 year old Wilson isn't going to help matters, even with the perk of an additional 2nd rounder.

I'd rather have them spend around in several areas of need.  If they do decide to go the QB route with the draft, then rookie QB + additional cap space is more optimal than acquiring cap heavy Wilson + 2nd rounder.

I'm guessing they'll be cheaper stop gap QBs on the market in the offseason too.


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Re: Patriots 2023 Season
« Reply #1319 on: December 19, 2023, 09:45:43 AM »

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What level of draft pick would it take for the Patriots to absorb Russell Wilson into their cap space?  If the Broncos offered a 2nd rounder and Wilson for nothing, would you do it?

I have always liked Russell Wilson.  I have not seen enough of his games lately though.  He has clearly lost a step but there also are other issues in DEN.  I don't understand NFL contracts but it looks like he is signed through 2028 with some kind of an out before 2026?  That is an untenable contract for the Pats, no matter what the draft compensation.

If it was something where he was overpaid for 1 season or even 2 seasons, I would be interested.  Let him be the bridge to some young QB.  But not 5 seasons.