Patriots 2023 Season

[ozgod]

What a weasely, buffoonish move by Bill at the end there, throwing Zappe in. That INT by Mac was terrible,  but this is Bill's offense. It is Bill's fault. Him swapping Mac out there is scapegoating. When is he going to be a man and take accountability for this team.

FWIW Zolak thought it was absolutely the only thing for BB to do.

Anyway, they’re just bad. Unfortunately probably not bad enough to lose the remaining 7.

Losing to the Colts and scoring only 6 points gives me high hopes that they can in fact lose the rest of their games.

I'm a bit torn, though, because on one hand I do want them to lose the rest of the way to get the highest draft pick possible, but on the other hand, it's painful to watch the team be this bad. Colts allow the 7th-most yards per game and are tied for the third-most points allowed per game, and the Pats got a measly 6 points—9 if they'd made that other field goal, but that's still paltry. Missing Bourne hurts, but he's not that impactful a player in this offense. The offense is just plain bad.

All the pain will be worth it if we can get a top 3-4 pick. I'm prepared to sacrifice 

[ozgod]

Our next games:

@ Giants
vs LAC
@ Squealers
v Chiefs
@ Broncos
@ Bills
v Jets

I think our trap games are the Giants and the Broncos...we might accidentally win those. And the Jets, just because they're the Jets, we may win that one. 5-12 would suck and make our pain this season meaningless, we need to go 2-15 to make it worthwhile 

I'm hoping the Chiefs and Bills put 100 on us combined...that will add a bit of urgency for Robert to do something 

[Donoghus]

Our next games:

@ Giants
vs LAC
@ Squealers
v Chiefs
@ Broncos
@ Bills
v Jets

I think our trap games are the Giants and the Broncos...we might accidentally win those. And the Jets, just because they're the Jets, we may win that one. 5-12 would suck and make our pain this season meaningless, we need to go 2-15 to make it worthwhile 

I'm hoping the Chiefs and Bills put 100 on us combined...that will add a bit of urgency for Robert to do something 

Yeah,  I still think there are a couple of wins in there.  Despite the results, this team is still playing hard.  A lot of self inflicted stuff is what's killing them plus that crap O-line.

Not sure how things shake out but wouldn't be surprised if they ended up in the 5th to 9th or so pick range.

[SparzWizard]

The Bills game Mac's first year where they threw the ball 3 times was the point in which it went downhill.  The team has not been good since that game, especially Mac. I mean the Pats told the world they didn't believe in their QB in that game and it affected Mac.  His numbers went down significantly after that game.  Everything since has just solidified the point thst the team doesn't believe in Mac.

That game it was just severely high winds where throwing the ball was ineffective for both teams. I think the game that did him in was one of the Matty P coached games...the infamous Bears/Pats game on Monday Night in Foxboro. Just getting routed. And then there's that Raider game too at the end.

[SparzWizard]

Our next games:

@ Giants
vs LAC
@ Squealers
v Chiefs
@ Broncos
@ Bills
v Jets

I think our trap games are the Giants and the Broncos...we might accidentally win those. And the Jets, just because they're the Jets, we may win that one. 5-12 would suck and make our pain this season meaningless, we need to go 2-15 to make it worthwhile 

I'm hoping the Chiefs and Bills put 100 on us combined...that will add a bit of urgency for Robert to do something 

Trap games? I think the KC game can be a trap game with how sloppy they been playing this year we might accidentally win that.

Chargers definitely gonna blow out this team in Foxboro. Steelers, Bills, ez picking for them. Hope we go 0-7. Any wins will ruin my Sunday from my favorite football team.

[BitterJim]

Our next games:

@ Giants
vs LAC
@ Squealers
v Chiefs
@ Broncos
@ Bills
v Jets

I think our trap games are the Giants and the Broncos...we might accidentally win those. And the Jets, just because they're the Jets, we may win that one. 5-12 would suck and make our pain this season meaningless, we need to go 2-15 to make it worthwhile 

I'm hoping the Chiefs and Bills put 100 on us combined...that will add a bit of urgency for Robert to do something 

Yeah,  I still think there are a couple of wins in there.  Despite the results, this team is still playing hard.  A lot of self inflicted stuff is what's killing them plus that crap O-line.

Not sure how things shake out but wouldn't be surprised if they ended up in the 5th to 9th or so pick range.

If the Panthers stay in the top pick position, I wonder how much we would have to give up to move up to #1 if we end up in the 5-9 range. Probably more than we should, but if we really want a top QB...

[johnnygreen]

The Bills game Mac's first year where they threw the ball 3 times was the point in which it went downhill.  The team has not been good since that game, especially Mac. I mean the Pats told the world they didn't believe in their QB in that game and it affected Mac.  His numbers went down significantly after that game.  Everything since has just solidified the point thst the team doesn't believe in Mac.

I will never understand this idea regarding that game. The coaches executed a game plan that won the game. Isn't that the whole point, to win the game?

Yeah mo has posted this a few times and it has not gotten any better with age. If a quarterback is ruined because of how many times his team decides to pass in bad weather his rookie year he is the most mentally fragile quarterback in nfl history and would never succeed in the nfl under any circumstance

Also even in that game IIRC, I don't even think the Bills had Josh Allen throwing that much either early on. They only started to have him throw a bunch in the 2nd half (4th quarter) when they were trailing and their running game wasn't really doing much. Does that mean they didn't trust Josh Allen either that night?

Allen had 7 throws and a QB run on a passing attempt in the 1st quarter of that game and ended that game with 30 passing attempts.  The Bills had a 1st down at the Patriots 14 yard line with 2.5 minutes to go and down 4.  The Pats defense came up big there, but it isn't like the game wasn't in doubt (and 2 of Mac's throws were in the 4th just before that game ending 4th down stop by the Pats - the completion was towards the end of the 1st quarter - Mac didn't attempt a pass for 2.5 quarters). 

In the 12 games before that game, Mac had a completion % of 70.34 and a rating of 97.1 (with 16 TD's and 8 INT's) and the Pats were 8-4.  In the four regular season games after that game, Mac had a completion % of 59.85 and a rating of 79.7 (a 6 to 5 TD to INT ratio).  The Pats only win was against the post-Meyer Jaguars.  In the playoff game against the Bills, Mac's rating was 75.8 with a 63.18% and a 2 to 2 TD to INT ratio. 

The Patriots went on national TV and told the world they didn't think their QB had a good enough arm to throw in bad weather. Sure, Bill embarrassed the Bills, but he also embarrassed his own QB, who was never the same after that, while the Bills turned that embarrassment into a 12 point win 3 weeks later in NE and a 30 point beat down in the playoffs another 3 weeks later. Mac never recovered though which was just compounded the next year with the terrible offensive coaching staff and the Zappe drama. Bill ruined Mac Jones.  I don't think Mac was ever going to be a franchise guy, but Bill absolutely stunted his growth and diminished whatever his ceiling might have been.

The team had a bye week following that game, and the team as a whole wasn't the same after that. Something happened during that bye week that I don't know if we ever got the answer.

[Moranis]

Our next games:

@ Giants
vs LAC
@ Squealers
v Chiefs
@ Broncos
@ Bills
v Jets

I think our trap games are the Giants and the Broncos...we might accidentally win those. And the Jets, just because they're the Jets, we may win that one. 5-12 would suck and make our pain this season meaningless, we need to go 2-15 to make it worthwhile 

I'm hoping the Chiefs and Bills put 100 on us combined...that will add a bit of urgency for Robert to do something 

Yeah,  I still think there are a couple of wins in there.  Despite the results, this team is still playing hard.  A lot of self inflicted stuff is what's killing them plus that crap O-line.

Not sure how things shake out but wouldn't be surprised if they ended up in the 5th to 9th or so pick range.

If the Panthers stay in the top pick position, I wonder how much we would have to give up to move up to #1 if we end up in the 5-9 range. Probably more than we should, but if we really want a top QB...

Bears own that pick.

[Moranis]

The Bills game Mac's first year where they threw the ball 3 times was the point in which it went downhill.  The team has not been good since that game, especially Mac. I mean the Pats told the world they didn't believe in their QB in that game and it affected Mac.  His numbers went down significantly after that game.  Everything since has just solidified the point thst the team doesn't believe in Mac.

I will never understand this idea regarding that game. The coaches executed a game plan that won the game. Isn't that the whole point, to win the game?

Yeah mo has posted this a few times and it has not gotten any better with age. If a quarterback is ruined because of how many times his team decides to pass in bad weather his rookie year he is the most mentally fragile quarterback in nfl history and would never succeed in the nfl under any circumstance

Also even in that game IIRC, I don't even think the Bills had Josh Allen throwing that much either early on. They only started to have him throw a bunch in the 2nd half (4th quarter) when they were trailing and their running game wasn't really doing much. Does that mean they didn't trust Josh Allen either that night?

Allen had 7 throws and a QB run on a passing attempt in the 1st quarter of that game and ended that game with 30 passing attempts.  The Bills had a 1st down at the Patriots 14 yard line with 2.5 minutes to go and down 4.  The Pats defense came up big there, but it isn't like the game wasn't in doubt (and 2 of Mac's throws were in the 4th just before that game ending 4th down stop by the Pats - the completion was towards the end of the 1st quarter - Mac didn't attempt a pass for 2.5 quarters). 

In the 12 games before that game, Mac had a completion % of 70.34 and a rating of 97.1 (with 16 TD's and 8 INT's) and the Pats were 8-4.  In the four regular season games after that game, Mac had a completion % of 59.85 and a rating of 79.7 (a 6 to 5 TD to INT ratio).  The Pats only win was against the post-Meyer Jaguars.  In the playoff game against the Bills, Mac's rating was 75.8 with a 63.18% and a 2 to 2 TD to INT ratio. 

The Patriots went on national TV and told the world they didn't think their QB had a good enough arm to throw in bad weather. Sure, Bill embarrassed the Bills, but he also embarrassed his own QB, who was never the same after that, while the Bills turned that embarrassment into a 12 point win 3 weeks later in NE and a 30 point beat down in the playoffs another 3 weeks later. Mac never recovered though which was just compounded the next year with the terrible offensive coaching staff and the Zappe drama. Bill ruined Mac Jones.  I don't think Mac was ever going to be a franchise guy, but Bill absolutely stunted his growth and diminished whatever his ceiling might have been.

The team had a bye week following that game, and the team as a whole wasn't the same after that. Something happened during that bye week that I don't know if we ever got the answer.

Sure the whole team knew the coaching staff had no faith in the QB because of that game.  They told everyone they didn't believe the QB could throw the ball in bad weather and yet they play in a bad weather stadium.  The coaching staff sabotaged the team with the play calling in that game. They should have traded Mac after that 1st season.  Instead they made it worse and now have no value in Mac and have wasted 2 seasons.

I mean they entered the bye at 9-4 on a 7 game win streak.  Then come out of the bye and ollapse with a significant deterioration in Mac's play.  Maybe it is just a coincidence that the last game before the bye was a game in which your QB was asked to throw the ball just 3 times in a close game.  I don't believe in coincidences though.  I absolutely believe that led to the collapse.  Mac hasn't been the same since and neither has the team.

[BitterJim]

Our next games:

@ Giants
vs LAC
@ Squealers
v Chiefs
@ Broncos
@ Bills
v Jets

I think our trap games are the Giants and the Broncos...we might accidentally win those. And the Jets, just because they're the Jets, we may win that one. 5-12 would suck and make our pain this season meaningless, we need to go 2-15 to make it worthwhile 

I'm hoping the Chiefs and Bills put 100 on us combined...that will add a bit of urgency for Robert to do something 

Yeah,  I still think there are a couple of wins in there.  Despite the results, this team is still playing hard.  A lot of self inflicted stuff is what's killing them plus that crap O-line.

Not sure how things shake out but wouldn't be surprised if they ended up in the 5th to 9th or so pick range.

If the Panthers stay in the top pick position, I wonder how much we would have to give up to move up to #1 if we end up in the 5-9 range. Probably more than we should, but if we really want a top QB...

Bears own that pick.

Oh crap, I forgot about that. TP for the correction. We really need to lose these games, then.

[ozgod]

We broke Mac. Surely he wasn't like this 2 years ago

[Goldstar88]

Pats waive Panda Jack.

[ozgod]

Pats are waiting cornerback Jack Jones, of "bringing a gun on a plane" fame.

The Patriots are set to waive Jack Jones, according to a league source.

Jones has not started over the last two weeks, and played only 10 snaps in Sunday’s loss to the Colts.

Coach Bill Belichick was asked Monday morning if Jones has looked engaged in a way that meets the desired standard.

“I’m not going to get into any of the player’s personal situations,” he replied.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/13/sports/jack-jones-patriots/

[libermaniac]

Thank god the Dolphins fired Brian Flores. He was well on his way to breaking Tua as well. (Dolphins fan here).

What is it with Bellichick and his disciples?

[ozgod]

Thank god the Dolphins fired Brian Flores. He was well on his way to breaking Tua as well. (Dolphins fan here).

What is it with Bellichick and his disciples?

Tara Sullivan of the Globe lays a sizable portion of the blame on Bill and his decisions.

Replacing McDaniels with the head-scratching, never-run-an-offense-before coaching tandem of Matt Patricia and Joe Judge. Jettisoning them after a season in favor of O’Brien. Putting Jones behind a revolving door of retread offensive linemen around dependable center David Andrews (necessary after letting Joe Thuney leave just as Jones was arriving or Ted Karras leave after a solid year in front of the rookie Jones). A stunning lack of game-breaking talent at wide receiver, made worse by letting favored Jones target Jakobi Meyers walk away to the Raiders. No interest in retaining solid running back and Jones bestie Damien Harris, and failing to add a good third-down back to give Jones a dependable outlet.

Eighty-three career sacks later, including a season-high five by halftime Sunday, and Jones is a shell of himself. And now, more than ever, the sacks are as much on Jones as they are on the line. He’s jittery, as evidenced by the quick release on the final interception, as he no longer seems willing (or able) to stand in the pocket and take hits, damaged enough that he is hearing footsteps.

At this point, he’d be better off without the Patriots as much as they’d be better off without him.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/11/13/sports/mac-jones-patriots/