2023 CS Historic Draft - How's My Team?

[smokeablount]

This is Bleacher Report's irrefutable top 100 all-time NBA players list:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time

My team has 4 guys on this list:

92 - David Thompson
89 - Larry Nance Sr
62 - Tracy McGrady
57 - Bob Lanier

There are 12 teams in this league and 32 players in the total pool on the list. There should be 2.67 per team (32/12).

I have 8.5% of the teams (1/12) but 12.5% of the elite players (4/32) in the sport where high end talent matters most, including 2 of the top 7 eligible players (ranked #62 and above), and they all mesh well.

Using these advanced Bleacher Report analyticz, Utah & LAC also grade out with my team at the top of the class.

[gouki88]

This is Bleacher Report's irrefutable top 100 all-time NBA players list:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time

My team has 4 guys on this list:

92 - David Thompson
89 - Larry Nance Sr
62 - Tracy McGrady
57 - Bob Lanier

There are 12 teams in this league and 32 players in the total pool on the list. There should be 2.67 per team (32/12).

I have 8.5% of the teams (1/12) but 12.5% of the elite players (4/32) in the sport where high end talent matters most, including 2 of the top 7 eligible players (ranked #62 and above), and they all mesh well.

Using these advanced Bleacher Report analyticz, Utah & LAC also grade out with my team at the top of the class.

I have a few questions about Larry Nance Sr. ahead of Chris Webber...

[Moranis]

This is Bleacher Report's irrefutable top 100 all-time NBA players list:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time

My team has 4 guys on this list:

92 - David Thompson
89 - Larry Nance Sr
62 - Tracy McGrady
57 - Bob Lanier

There are 12 teams in this league and 32 players in the total pool on the list. There should be 2.67 per team (32/12).

I have 8.5% of the teams (1/12) but 12.5% of the elite players (4/32) in the sport where high end talent matters most, including 2 of the top 7 eligible players (ranked #62 and above), and they all mesh well.

Using these advanced Bleacher Report analyticz, Utah & LAC also grade out with my team at the top of the class.

I have a few questions about Larry Nance Sr. ahead of Chris Webber...

in 2015 they thought Lebron was only 7th.  Wow.  That said, Dantley was 48th and I believe thet is the highest ranked player that was drafted. Pau was 63rd and Cheeks was 80th and they had Amar'e as just missing the cut.

[gouki88]

This is Bleacher Report's irrefutable top 100 all-time NBA players list:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time

My team has 4 guys on this list:

92 - David Thompson
89 - Larry Nance Sr
62 - Tracy McGrady
57 - Bob Lanier

There are 12 teams in this league and 32 players in the total pool on the list. There should be 2.67 per team (32/12).

I have 8.5% of the teams (1/12) but 12.5% of the elite players (4/32) in the sport where high end talent matters most, including 2 of the top 7 eligible players (ranked #62 and above), and they all mesh well.

Using these advanced Bleacher Report analyticz, Utah & LAC also grade out with my team at the top of the class.

I have a few questions about Larry Nance Sr. ahead of Chris Webber...

in 2015 they thought Lebron was only 7th.  Wow.  That said, Dantley was 48th and I believe thet is the highest ranked player that was drafted. Pau was 63rd and Cheeks was 80th and they had Amar'e as just missing the cut.

The list is just crazy (Bleacher Report normal standard I suppose). Marion over Grant Hill, Reggie Miller over Rick Barry, Paul Pierce ahead of Durant (even at the time that is wild), Jerry West ahead of Hakeem. I could go on and on!

[smokeablount]

This is Bleacher Report's irrefutable top 100 all-time NBA players list:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time

My team has 4 guys on this list:

92 - David Thompson
89 - Larry Nance Sr
62 - Tracy McGrady
57 - Bob Lanier

There are 12 teams in this league and 32 players in the total pool on the list. There should be 2.67 per team (32/12).

I have 8.5% of the teams (1/12) but 12.5% of the elite players (4/32) in the sport where high end talent matters most, including 2 of the top 7 eligible players (ranked #62 and above), and they all mesh well.

Using these advanced Bleacher Report analyticz, Utah & LAC also grade out with my team at the top of the class.

I have a few questions about Larry Nance Sr. ahead of Chris Webber...

I appear to have a Webber vendetta lol.

I’m with you, and posts like this are just hopefully in good fun.

[gouki88]

This is Bleacher Report's irrefutable top 100 all-time NBA players list:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2232060-br-nba-legends-100-ranking-the-greatest-players-of-all-time

My team has 4 guys on this list:

92 - David Thompson
89 - Larry Nance Sr
62 - Tracy McGrady
57 - Bob Lanier

There are 12 teams in this league and 32 players in the total pool on the list. There should be 2.67 per team (32/12).

I have 8.5% of the teams (1/12) but 12.5% of the elite players (4/32) in the sport where high end talent matters most, including 2 of the top 7 eligible players (ranked #62 and above), and they all mesh well.

Using these advanced Bleacher Report analyticz, Utah & LAC also grade out with my team at the top of the class.

I have a few questions about Larry Nance Sr. ahead of Chris Webber...

I appear to have a Webber vendetta lol.

I’m with you, and posts like this are just hopefully in good fun.

He'll make you pay!

Of course taken in good fun - it is Bleacher Report

[smokeablount]

My recap in digestible pieces:

Part 2 - 2023-24 Chicago Bulls Starters!

Players:

PG: DWILL, 08 (#12 MVP, #7 OWS, #12 WS/VORP)
SG: THOMPSON, 78 (#3 MVP, #1 WS/OWS, #2 VORP)
SF: T-MAC, 03 (#4 MVP, #1 VORP/PER/OWS/WSp48)
PF: NANCE, 92 (#10 VORP, #11 WS/BPM)
C: LANIER, 77 (#4 MVP, #2 PER, #5 VORP, #7 OWS)

Bench:
M. Ray Richardson (#17 MVP), John Wall (#7 MVP)
Hersey Hawkins, Tayshaun Prince 
Blake Griffin (#3 MVP)
Brad Daugherty (#10 MVP), Marcus Camby (DPOY)

The starters mesh well, all 5 starters ranked between #1 and #11 in the league in Win Shares, and 3/5 were top 4 in MVP voting. In this pool of players, those 3 guys were MVP winners because the guys ahead of them were ineligible. Thompson finished #3 (78), McGrady (03) and Lanier (77) were #4 but the only guys ahead of them were in the NBA’s top 75, so essentially I have 3 MVP winners in my starting lineup.

Starters:

PG1: Deron Williams (07-08)

Accolades: All-NBA 2nd Team, #15 All-Defense Voting, #12 MVP Voting

Career: 3x All-Star, 2x All-NBA (Nash/AI/CP3/Billups/Rose/Rondo era)

Stats:

Counting/Usage: 18.8 ppg, 3 rpg, 10.5 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.3 bpg, 23.1% usage

Shooting: 59.5% ts%, 53.3% on 2’s, 39.5% on 3’s, 80.3% ft%

Advanced: 4.5 VORP (#12), 3.8 BPM (#18), 11.3 Win Shares (#11)

All-Time NBA2K Rating: 87
www.2kratings.com/deron-williams-all-time-utah-jazz


SG1: David Thompson (77-78)

Accolades: All-NBA 1st Team, All-Star, #3 MVP Voting

Career: HOF, 5x AS, 2x All-NBA 1st Team, 1x All-ABA, ROY, 2x ASG MVP

Stats:

Counting/Usage: 27.2 ppg, 5 rpg, 4.5 apg, 1.2 spg, 1.2 bpg, 26.8% usage

Shooting: 57.8% ts%, 52.1% on 2’s, N/A on 3’s*, 77.8% ft%

Advanced: 5.2 VORP (#2), 4.8 BPM (#5), 12.7 Win Shares (#1)

*Thompson shot 36.8% on 3’s in the 1st year the stat was recorded. He is rated a 91 in outside scoring in NBA2K all-time mode.

All-Time NBA2K Rating: 95
www.2kratings.com/david-thompson-all-time-denver-nuggets


SF1: Tracy McGrady (02-03)

Accolades: All-NBA 1st Team, All-Star, #24 All-D Voting, #4 MVP Voting

Career: HOF, 7x AS, 7x All-NBA (2-1T/3-2T/2-3T), 2x Scoring Champ

Stats:

Counting/Usage: 32.1 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 5.5 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.8 bpg, 35.2% usage

Shooting: 56.4% ts%, 48.1% on 2’s, 38.6% on 3’s, 79.3% ft%

Advanced: 9.3 VORP (#1), 10.5 BPM (#1), 16.1 Win Shares (#3)

All-Time NBA2K Rating: 95
www.2kratings.com/tracy-mcgrady-all-time-orlando-magic


PF1: Larry Nance Sr (91-92)

Accolades: NBA All-Defensive 2nd Team (All-Star the following year)

Career: 3x All-Star, 3x All-Defense (1-1T/2-2T)

Stats:

Counting/Usage: 17 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 2.9 apg, 1.1 spg, 2 bpg, 19.1% usage

Shooting: 58.6% ts%, 54.1% on 2’s, N/A on 3’s, 82.2% ft%

Advanced: 5.2 VORP (#10), 5.2 BPM (#11), 12.2 Win Shares (#11)

All-Time NBA2K Rating: 88
www.2kratings.com/larry-nance-all-time-cleveland-cavaliers


C1: Bob Lanier (76-77)

Accolades: All-Star, #4 MVP Voting

Career: HOF, 8x AS, ASG MVP

Stats:

Counting/Usage: 25.3 ppg, 11.6 rpg, 3.3 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.8 bpg, 26% usage

Shooting: 57.3% ts%, 53.4% on 2’s, N/A on 3’s, 81.8% ft%

Advanced: 4.6 VORP (#5), 5.4 BPM (#4), 10.3 Win Shares (#11)

All-Time NBA2K Rating: 94
www.2kratings.com/bob-lanier-all-time-detroit-pistons

[Roy H.]

In one version of NBA Live -- maybe 95? -- Charles Barkley wasn't in the game, and you couldn't modify a guy's jersey number.  You could change their name, though.  So I traded J.R. Rider -- #34 and bald -- to the Suns, and renamed him Charles Barkley.

That guy was a beast.  I had him scoring like 100 points per night, with an insane number of rebounds and blocks (steals were always the hardest).

In short, video game rankings are useless.

[smokeablount]

In one version of NBA Live -- maybe 95? -- Charles Barkley wasn't in the game, and you couldn't modify a guy's jersey number.  You could change their name, though.  So I traded J.R. Rider -- #34 and bald -- to the Suns, and renamed him Charles Barkley.

That guy was a beast.  I had him scoring like 100 points per night, with an insane number of rebounds and blocks (steals were always the hardest).

In short, video game rankings are useless.

Sure Roy. I bet you think climate change isn’t real either 

Cmon, let’s pay our due respects to hard science.

But in all seriousness, while I wouldnt take 2k ratings as seriously as NBA players do, it isn’t 1995 anymore. You wouldn’t compare a computer in the 70s that took up a small room to an iPhone. Or evaluate music technology when The Anders Sisters were the biggest group in music and apply it to Destiny’s Child, or ‘Plan 9 from Outer Space’ to ‘Independence Day.’

[Donoghus]

Anyone who disparages NBA Live '95 will automatically be docked in my book. 

[Celtic Fan Forever]

Anyone who disparages NBA Live '95 will automatically be docked in my book. 

I miss the glory days of NBA Live- I still remember the day I got my PS2 with NBA Live 2003 and replaying the Celtics Nets series to get revenge

[celticinorlando]

Anyone who disparages NBA Live '95 will automatically be docked in my book. 

Darn right

[Who]

Part 2 - 2023-24 Chicago Bulls Starters!

Players:

PG: DWILL, 08 (#12 MVP, #7 OWS, #12 WS/VORP)
SG: THOMPSON, 78 (#3 MVP, #1 WS/OWS, #2 VORP)
SF: T-MAC, 03 (#4 MVP, #1 VORP/PER/OWS/WSp48)
PF: NANCE, 92 (#10 VORP, #11 WS/BPM)
C: LANIER, 77 (#4 MVP, #2 PER, #5 VORP, #7 OWS)

Bench:
M. Ray Richardson (#17 MVP), John Wall (#7 MVP)
Hersey Hawkins, Tayshaun Prince 
Blake Griffin (#3 MVP)
Brad Daugherty (#10 MVP), Marcus Camby (DPOY)

The starters mesh well, all 5 starters ranked between #1 and #11 in the league in Win Shares, and 3/5 were top 4 in MVP voting. In this pool of players, those 3 guys were MVP winners because the guys ahead of them were ineligible. Thompson finished #3 (78), McGrady (03) and Lanier (77) were #4 but the only guys ahead of them were in the NBA’s top 75, so essentially I have 3 MVP winners in my starting lineup.

Starters:

PG1: Deron Williams (07-08)

Accolades: All-NBA 2nd Team, #15 All-Defense Voting, #12 MVP Voting

Career: 3x All-Star, 2x All-NBA (Nash/AI/CP3/Billups/Rose/Rondo era)

Stats:

Counting/Usage: 18.8 ppg, 3 rpg, 10.5 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.3 bpg, 23.1% usage

Shooting: 59.5% ts%, 53.3% on 2’s, 39.5% on 3’s, 80.3% ft%

Advanced: 4.5 VORP (#12), 3.8 BPM (#18), 11.3 Win Shares (#11)

All-Time NBA2K Rating: 87
www.2kratings.com/deron-williams-all-time-utah-jazz

Some Deron Williams / Kevin Johnson cross trivia.

Kevin Johnson was the only player other than Magic to average 20-10 past the first round 3 times. Magic did so 4 times. Nash and Deron did so twice.

If you extend it to the 3rd round, past the 2nd round, to the WCF or Finals, you lose Deron. KJ and Nash did 20-10 twice while Magic did it 3 times.

[Who]

Blake Griffin and Terry Cummings were both #1 overall picks who were drafted by the Clippers and won Rookie of the Year.

BG = 22.5ppg 12.1rpg 3.8apg 0.8spg 0.5bpg 54.9% TS
TC = 23.7ppg 10.6rpg 2.5apg 1.8spg 0.9bpg 55.7% TS

[Who]

C1: Bob Lanier (76-77)

Accolades: All-Star (All-NBA did not seem to exist), #4 MVP Voting

It was Kareem and Bill Walton at their peak who made All-NBA that year. That is why Lanier was top 5 in MVP but failed to make either All-NBA team. Kareem was 1st team as he won the MVP & Walton 2nd team as he led Portland to the title and would win the MVP next season. Lanier would miss out on All-NBA next year as well because of those two. That time Walton first team and Kareem second team. No shame in missing out to either of them.

Then Walton would get hurt and there would be opening again at center for All-NBA for Lanier but a young Moses Malone would come along and make that spot his own. So Lanier never got back in even though he was one of the top 10 players in the league year in year out during the late 1970s.