Jaylen Brown Agrees to extension

[BitterJim]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1684015370187816960?t=DuO3wXybP_ny_eiupRoOXw&s=19

Lol what's this garbage. Some exec thinks Jaylen is 3rd, 4th or 5th best player on the Celtics?

Must be someone who brad rebuffed

Tatum is better without question. Porzingis is probably better. And I believe that White and a healthy Timelord may be more important to the team. And that's what I'm worried about. I don't care if Brown earns 40 or 60 million. But the implication may be that the owners are not going to let Stevens resign White or Timelord even if it's at half the price of Brown (25-30 million).

Brown is on a supermax (35%) of the cap. Salaries aren't going to explode where every really good player is just going to get 300/5, simply because they won't eligible to a supermax. A really unfortunate combination of circumstances. I really want to be wrong about this, but I just can't see Brown's contract becoming an asset on the market. And it will ruin our opportunities to build the best team in the NBA.

You don't need a supermax to be eligible for 35% of the cap, having 10+ years of experience also qualifies you. As for 5/$300 contracts, those will only require:
31.4% of the cap in 2025-26
28.6% of the cap in 2026-27
26.0% of the cap in 2027-28
23.6% of the cap in 2028-29 (when Brown's deal expires)

In other words: you'll see a ton of $300 million deals signed 2 summers from now, including some of last year's rookies that qualify for designated extensions like (in all likelihood) Banchero and Holgrem. Next year's rookies will qualify for 5/$300 deals during their first FA period, even if they don't qualify for the extra 5%. The deals aren't just here to stay, they're gonna be taking over.

[johnnygreen]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1684015370187816960?t=DuO3wXybP_ny_eiupRoOXw&s=19

Lol what's this garbage. Some exec thinks Jaylen is 3rd, 4th or 5th best player on the Celtics?

Must be someone who brad rebuffed

Tatum is better without question. Porzingis is probably better. And I believe that White and a healthy Timelord may be more important to the team. And that's what I'm worried about. I don't care if Brown earns 40 or 60 million. But the implication may be that the owners are not going to let Stevens resign White or Timelord even if it's at half the price of Brown (25-30 million).

Brown is on a supermax (35%) of the cap. Salaries aren't going to explode where every really good player is just going to get 300/5, simply because they won't eligible to a supermax. A really unfortunate combination of circumstances. I really want to be wrong about this, but I just can't see Brown's contract becoming an asset on the market. And it will ruin our opportunities to build the best team in the NBA.

This is my concern too. The Jays have had the luxury of playing with guys like Horford, Smart, Brogdon, White, and Timelord. With the Jays and Porzingis making up about 90% of the cap after next season, I don't think ownership will be willing to pay those middle class guys for too much longer. Pretty soon the Jays will be forced to play with the next Payton Pritchard the team drafts or other minimum salary guys. I think a lot of people are taking the middle class players for granted.

[BitterJim]

I keep on hearing this argument of how Jaylen was the Celtics best player during the Finals against Golden State. So what?

The other argument I'm hearing is the playoff success the team has had with the Jays.

I hate to say it, but the Celtics have not won a title since 2008. Has Celtics nation suffered from losing for so long since the Bird era, that we've suddenly succumbed to accepting "participant trophies"?

Is Celtics nation so far removed from having a consistent contender that they forgot the success is t always instant?

2008 was fun, but you're never gonna see a team go from 25 wins to a ring in 1 season again. We'll get to more rings by continuing to build on the previous season.

[BitterJim]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1684015370187816960?t=DuO3wXybP_ny_eiupRoOXw&s=19

Lol what's this garbage. Some exec thinks Jaylen is 3rd, 4th or 5th best player on the Celtics?

Must be someone who brad rebuffed

Tatum is better without question. Porzingis is probably better. And I believe that White and a healthy Timelord may be more important to the team. And that's what I'm worried about. I don't care if Brown earns 40 or 60 million. But the implication may be that the owners are not going to let Stevens resign White or Timelord even if it's at half the price of Brown (25-30 million).

Brown is on a supermax (35%) of the cap. Salaries aren't going to explode where every really good player is just going to get 300/5, simply because they won't eligible to a supermax. A really unfortunate combination of circumstances. I really want to be wrong about this, but I just can't see Brown's contract becoming an asset on the market. And it will ruin our opportunities to build the best team in the NBA.

This is my concern too. The Jays have had the luxury of playing with guys like Horford, Smart, Brogdon, White, and Timelord. With the Jays and Porzingis making up about 90% of the cap after next season, I don't think ownership will be willing to pay those middle class guys for too much longer. Pretty soon the Jays will be forced to play with the next Payton Pritchard the team drafts or other minimum salary guys. I think a lot of people are taking the middle class players for granted.

78% in 2024-25, not 90%. More relevant, like 59% of the 2nd apron. Salaries will go up, but the cap will too.

In 2025-26 it likely jumps up to 88% of the cap/66% of the 2nd apron, which will make things tough, but that 34% should still allow us to keep guys like White and Rob while having some ability to replace like Brogdan and Horford with okay bench players

[johnnygreen]

I keep on hearing this argument of how Jaylen was the Celtics best player during the Finals against Golden State. So what?

The other argument I'm hearing is the playoff success the team has had with the Jays.

I hate to say it, but the Celtics have not won a title since 2008. Has Celtics nation suffered from losing for so long since the Bird era, that we've suddenly succumbed to accepting "participant trophies"?

Is Celtics nation so far removed from having a consistent contender that they forgot the success is t always instant?

2008 was fun, but you're never gonna see a team go from 25 wins to a ring in 1 season again. We'll get to more rings by continuing to build on the previous season.

I understand building a championship takes time and patience. I'm talking about the badge of honor mentality that the team has made the Finals or made multiple conference finals. Just because a team can make the conference finals or Finals, doesn't mean they're also capable of winning the title.

[Vermont Green]

I keep on hearing this argument of how Jaylen was the Celtics best player during the Finals against Golden State. So what?

The other argument I'm hearing is the playoff success the team has had with the Jays.

I hate to say it, but the Celtics have not won a title since 2008. Has Celtics nation suffered from losing for so long since the Bird era, that we've suddenly succumbed to accepting "participant trophies"?

Is Celtics nation so far removed from having a consistent contender that they forgot the success is t always instant?

2008 was fun, but you're never gonna see a team go from 25 wins to a ring in 1 season again. We'll get to more rings by continuing to build on the previous season.

I understand building a championship takes time and patience. I'm talking about the badge of honor mentality that the team has made the Finals or made multiple conference finals. Just because a team can make the conference finals or Finals, doesn't mean they're also capable of winning the title.

Not sure I get this comment.  We didn't/haven't won the championship meaning that so far, we have not been capable of winning it.  But after each of the last couple of runs at it, the team has been improved and our young stars have gotten better.  In 2022-23, we added Brogdon and Gallinari (who got hurt of course).  This season we added Porzingis.  Before that, we added White.  We are the favorite or about equal to DEN in most/all the sports books.  Vegas seems to think we are about as capable as DEN of winning the title, or at least thinks that is how bettors are going to bet.

DEN didn't win a title until they won a title.  There were lots of comments that DEN wasn't that good because they hadn't had playoff success (less success than the Celtics), hadn't won a title.  I am sure you saw the comments; "they are a good regular season team but can't win in the playoffs..." for this reason or that reason.  Then all of the sudden, everyone is healthy at the right time, they get hot at the right time, and voila, a title.  Turns out they actually were "capable" all along.  A lot of things need to go right to win a title.

Not sure what people are suggesting with this "the Celtics haven't won a title since 2008" narrative.  Do you want them to blow it up?  Not sign Jaylen Brown but do sign Grant Williams?  What are people looking for with this?  There is no trade or acquisition that is going to assure a title.

[cman88]

I keep on hearing this argument of how Jaylen was the Celtics best player during the Finals against Golden State. So what?

The other argument I'm hearing is the playoff success the team has had with the Jays.

I hate to say it, but the Celtics have not won a title since 2008. Has Celtics nation suffered from losing for so long since the Bird era, that we've suddenly succumbed to accepting "participant trophies"?

you do realize someone like Embiid and the sixers has never made it past the 2nd round.

Celtics are almost a lock with Brown/Tatum healthy to make the ECF and put themselves in the conversation.

Theres no guarantee that if you trade brown you even sniff the ECF. Its like saying trade Giannis because they got bounced the last 2 years...

[Who]

Not really about the Jaylen contract extension but a continuation of the "Is Jaylen a top 20 player discussion?"

The Ringer came out with their list of the top 25 players in the league. Jaylen comes in at 22. Here is their list:

1. Nikola Jokić
2. Stephen Curry
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo
4. Kevin Durant
5. Joel Embiid
6. Jayson Tatum
7. Luka Dončić
8. Kawhi Leonard
9. Jimmy Butler
10. Devin Booker
11. Anthony Davis
12. LeBron James
13. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
14. Damian Lillard
15. Donovan Mitchell
16. Jamal Murray
17. De’Aaron Fox
18. Ja Morant
19. James Harden
20. Domantas Sabonis
21. Bam Adebayo
22. Jaylen Brown
23. Trae Young
24. Anthony Edwards
25. Paul George

Tatum at #6.

[Moranis]

Not really about the Jaylen contract extension but a continuation of the "Is Jaylen a top 20 player discussion?"

The Ringer came out with their list of the top 25 players in the league. Jaylen comes in at 22. Here is their list:

1. Nikola Jokić
2. Stephen Curry
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo
4. Kevin Durant
5. Joel Embiid
6. Jayson Tatum
7. Luka Dončić
8. Kawhi Leonard
9. Jimmy Butler
10. Devin Booker
11. Anthony Davis
12. LeBron James
13. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
14. Damian Lillard
15. Donovan Mitchell
16. Jamal Murray
17. De’Aaron Fox
18. Ja Morant
19. James Harden
20. Domantas Sabonis
21. Bam Adebayo
22. Jaylen Brown
23. Trae Young
24. Anthony Edwards
25. Paul George

Tatum at #6.

Tatum ahead of Luka is pretty surprising.  Butler at 9 seems pretty high as well.  I guess they have no faith in Zion staying healthy as he isn't there.  I think George should be higher, but he has been hurt a lot so that may be appropriate with the injuries (same with Morant, but I think the suspension makes him harder to put higher).  Overall though that seems about right.

And glad to see Kyrie not on there.  About time the media recognized what a toxic team killer he has always been (and whose team is almost always better when he isn't in the game).

[Vermont Green]

I have Brown ahead of several of the 10-20 or so but not by a lot There is not much difference. I also have Brown ahead of Kawhi.  He isn’t going to hold up.

[obnoxiousmime]

It really should be about tiers rather than a numbered list. I think that Tatum is knocking on that first tier but might not ever reach it due to inefficiency and a lack of playmaking compared to some of the other top guys. The thing about Brown is, you wish he was in that third tier instead of 4th/5th. Booker, AD, old Kawhi, SGA, and Lillard would roughly represent that 3rd tier to me.

[Celtics2021]

It really should be about tiers rather than a numbered list. I think that Tatum is knocking on that first tier but might not ever reach it due to inefficiency and a lack of playmaking compared to some of the other top guys. The thing about Brown is, you wish he was in that third tier instead of 4th/5th. Booker, AD, old Kawhi, SGA, and Lillard would roughly represent that 3rd tier to me.

You have the narrowest of tiers if you have Tatum outside the first tier and Jaylen in the 4th or 5th.  Tatum is a 2-time consecutive 1st team All-NBAer, and has made All-NBA three times in his six year career, and he’s not in the first tier?

[Moranis]

It really should be about tiers rather than a numbered list. I think that Tatum is knocking on that first tier but might not ever reach it due to inefficiency and a lack of playmaking compared to some of the other top guys. The thing about Brown is, you wish he was in that third tier instead of 4th/5th. Booker, AD, old Kawhi, SGA, and Lillard would roughly represent that 3rd tier to me.

You have the narrowest of tiers if you have Tatum outside the first tier and Jaylen in the 4th or 5th.  Tatum is a 2-time consecutive 1st team All-NBAer, and has made All-NBA three times in his six year career, and he’s not in the first tier?

well if his tiers have roughly 5 players then no Tatum wouldn't be in the first and Jaylen would be in the 4th or 5th.  You know basically what the list from the Ringer has.

[Celtics2021]

It really should be about tiers rather than a numbered list. I think that Tatum is knocking on that first tier but might not ever reach it due to inefficiency and a lack of playmaking compared to some of the other top guys. The thing about Brown is, you wish he was in that third tier instead of 4th/5th. Booker, AD, old Kawhi, SGA, and Lillard would roughly represent that 3rd tier to me.

You have the narrowest of tiers if you have Tatum outside the first tier and Jaylen in the 4th or 5th.  Tatum is a 2-time consecutive 1st team All-NBAer, and has made All-NBA three times in his six year career, and he’s not in the first tier?

well if his tiers have roughly 5 players then no Tatum wouldn't be in the first and Jaylen would be in the 4th or 5th.  You know basically what the list from the Ringer has.

Which means he has like 50 100 tiers for the NBA, which again, is ridiculous.

[obnoxiousmime]

It really should be about tiers rather than a numbered list. I think that Tatum is knocking on that first tier but might not ever reach it due to inefficiency and a lack of playmaking compared to some of the other top guys. The thing about Brown is, you wish he was in that third tier instead of 4th/5th. Booker, AD, old Kawhi, SGA, and Lillard would roughly represent that 3rd tier to me.

You have the narrowest of tiers if you have Tatum outside the first tier and Jaylen in the 4th or 5th.  Tatum is a 2-time consecutive 1st team All-NBAer, and has made All-NBA three times in his six year career, and he’s not in the first tier?

I just feel that the top top guys are in a tier of their own. You could even say Jokic has separated himself from guys like Giannis and Curry. I don't think Tatum is at that ultimate level, is that controversial? I thought the whole point of tiers was, everybody in the same tier has roughly the same impact on winning.