Jaylen Brown Agrees to extension

[cman88]

I have a question for Celtics fans crying about keeping brown.

Would you be happy if they traded brown for lesser pieces or lost him for nothing next year all so you can feel "good" that some other team is paying him big money and not Wyc?

All while making our chances of winning a championship worse. But hey, we saved Wyc money and fans can sleep at night that they didn't pay brown more than what fans think he's "worth" we won the "good value" championship.

And before we worry about title windows and keeping a team together can we at least won 1 championship first? I keep seeing fans worry about 3-4-5 years in the future when we haven't even won one yet.

Win one at least and then we can worry about it.

Also maybe it's funny to me but the difference in the tread of fans crying about not paying Grant Williams an average role player but then crying we kept Brown is just mond boggling. Considering how much harder it is to find a Brown than a Grant Williams.

[gouki88]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1684015370187816960?t=DuO3wXybP_ny_eiupRoOXw&s=19

Lol what's this garbage. Some exec thinks Jaylen is 3rd, 4th or 5th best player on the Celtics?

Must be someone who brad rebuffed

Anyone who thinks Jaylen is the 5th best Celtic doesn't deserve to be allowed to watch basketball on TV, let alone in a front office. Tatum is definitely better than Brown, I guess some people might like Porzingis more (maybe?). No genuine argument for anyone else

[cman88]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1684015370187816960?t=DuO3wXybP_ny_eiupRoOXw&s=19

Lol what's this garbage. Some exec thinks Jaylen is 3rd, 4th or 5th best player on the Celtics?

Must be someone who brad rebuffed

Anyone who thinks Jaylen is the 5th best Celtic doesn't deserve to be allowed to watch basketball on TV, let alone in a front office. Tatum is definitely better than Brown, I guess some people might like Porzingis more (maybe?). No genuine argument for anyone else

Yeah, I'm not sure who else they would even think. Sounds like a GM who is salty they couldn't trade for Brown

[kraidstar]

So a trade kicker but no player option.

That tells me both parties want Jaylen here for a long time. Which is good, it's one less distraction we'll need to deal with.

[jambr380]

I have a question for Celtics fans crying about keeping brown.

Would you be happy if they traded brown for lesser pieces or lost him for nothing next year all so you can feel "good" that some other team is paying him big money and not Wyc?

All while making our chances of winning a championship worse. But hey, we saved Wyc money and fans can sleep at night that they didn't pay brown more than what fans think he's "worth" we won the "good value" championship.

And before we worry about title windows and keeping a team together can we at least won 1 championship first? I keep seeing fans worry about 3-4-5 years in the future when we haven't even won one yet.

Win one at least and then we can worry about it.

Also maybe it's funny to me but the difference in the tread of fans crying about not paying Grant Williams an average role player but then crying we kept Brown is just mond boggling. Considering how much harder it is to find a Brown than a Grant Williams.

I am personally happy we kept Brown, but it should be noted that if another team was paying him, they would be paying him a lot less (30% max instead of 35%). Imo, that is a fatal flaw in the newest CBA. They want teams that drafted a player to have an advantage over other teams in negotiations, but they absolutely screw them over when it comes to the salary cap. They really should have had it be that a team paying a supermax is only charged a regular max against the cap while they are with that team. That way both the player and the team benefit.

[Vermont Green]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1684015370187816960?t=DuO3wXybP_ny_eiupRoOXw&s=19

Lol what's this garbage. Some exec thinks Jaylen is 3rd, 4th or 5th best player on the Celtics?

Must be someone who brad rebuffed

The actual statement is confusing:

“I’ve had a couple people in opposing front offices tell me something along the lines of ‘Are the Celtics really gonna pay their 3rd or 4th or 5th best player all this money?’”

There is no direct reference to Brown.  I would say the 3rd, 4th, and 5th best players are probably Prozingis ($36M), White ($18M), and Brogdon ($22.5M).  That is $76.5M for these players.  It is a lot for 3-5.  I am not sure this statement had anything to do with Brown.  Brown is an all star and reigning second team All NBA.  I don't think this report make any sense.

[Roy H.]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1684015370187816960?t=DuO3wXybP_ny_eiupRoOXw&s=19

Lol what's this garbage. Some exec thinks Jaylen is 3rd, 4th or 5th best player on the Celtics?

Must be someone who brad rebuffed

Anyone who thinks Jaylen is the 5th best Celtic doesn't deserve to be allowed to watch basketball on TV, let alone in a front office. Tatum is definitely better than Brown, I guess some people might like Porzingis more (maybe?). No genuine argument for anyone else

Is that quote from Zach Lowe?  He's a great guy (at least he was when he and Robb has their very good Celtics blog), but I question his sources and his analysis.  Whoever said that, are they basing their analysis on on-off / plus-minus numbers?  I know Moranis has beat that drum.  But, anybody watching the games closely can see that JB is our second best player.

But, that's without context of listening to the podcast.  Maybe the context was what VM said above:  the Celtics right now are paying some role players a lot, whether that be White or Brogdon.

[Moranis]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1684015370187816960?t=DuO3wXybP_ny_eiupRoOXw&s=19

Lol what's this garbage. Some exec thinks Jaylen is 3rd, 4th or 5th best player on the Celtics?

Must be someone who brad rebuffed

Anyone who thinks Jaylen is the 5th best Celtic doesn't deserve to be allowed to watch basketball on TV, let alone in a front office. Tatum is definitely better than Brown, I guess some people might like Porzingis more (maybe?). No genuine argument for anyone else

Is that quote from Zach Lowe?  He's a great guy (at least he was when he and Robb has their very good Celtics blog), but I question his sources and his analysis.  Whoever said that, are they basing their analysis on on-off / plus-minus numbers?  I know Moranis has beat that drum.  But, anybody watching the games closely can see that JB is our second best player.

And I have always said he is Boston's 2nd best player, he just doesn't have the actual impact on the scoreboard you'd expect.

[Roy H.]

I have a question for Celtics fans crying about keeping brown.

Would you be happy if they traded brown for lesser pieces or lost him for nothing next year all so you can feel "good" that some other team is paying him big money and not Wyc?

All while making our chances of winning a championship worse. But hey, we saved Wyc money and fans can sleep at night that they didn't pay brown more than what fans think he's "worth" we won the "good value" championship.

And before we worry about title windows and keeping a team together can we at least won 1 championship first? I keep seeing fans worry about 3-4-5 years in the future when we haven't even won one yet.

Win one at least and then we can worry about it.

Also maybe it's funny to me but the difference in the tread of fans crying about not paying Grant Williams an average role player but then crying we kept Brown is just mond boggling. Considering how much harder it is to find a Brown than a Grant Williams.

I am personally happy we kept Brown, but it should be noted that if another team was paying him, they would be paying him a lot less (30% max instead of 35%). Imo, that is a fatal flaw in the newest CBA. They want teams that drafted a player to have an advantage over other teams in negotiations, but they absolutely screw them over when it comes to the salary cap. They really should have had it be that a team paying a supermax is only charged a regular max against the cap while they are with that team. That way both the player and the team benefit.

I think that that would have been a sensible rule change.

[johnnygreen]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1684015370187816960?t=DuO3wXybP_ny_eiupRoOXw&s=19

Lol what's this garbage. Some exec thinks Jaylen is 3rd, 4th or 5th best player on the Celtics?

Must be someone who brad rebuffed

Anyone who thinks Jaylen is the 5th best Celtic doesn't deserve to be allowed to watch basketball on TV, let alone in a front office. Tatum is definitely better than Brown, I guess some people might like Porzingis more (maybe?). No genuine argument for anyone else

Is that quote from Zach Lowe?  He's a great guy (at least he was when he and Robb has their very good Celtics blog), but I question his sources and his analysis.  Whoever said that, are they basing their analysis on on-off / plus-minus numbers?  I know Moranis has beat that drum.  But, anybody watching the games closely can see that JB is our second best player.

But, that's without context of listening to the podcast.  Maybe the context was what VM said above:  the Celtics right now are paying some role players a lot, whether that be White or Brogdon.

Context always helps. The quote said "player" not "players", so they could simply be talking about Jaylen. If this person views "best player" as a play maker, then their probably correct. Jaylen simply doesn't help in that department. If he passes off of a drive, it's because he was stopped and he's forced to pass. He doesn't drive with intent to create opportunities for others.

[Moranis]

I have a question for Celtics fans crying about keeping brown.

Would you be happy if they traded brown for lesser pieces or lost him for nothing next year all so you can feel "good" that some other team is paying him big money and not Wyc?

All while making our chances of winning a championship worse. But hey, we saved Wyc money and fans can sleep at night that they didn't pay brown more than what fans think he's "worth" we won the "good value" championship.

And before we worry about title windows and keeping a team together can we at least won 1 championship first? I keep seeing fans worry about 3-4-5 years in the future when we haven't even won one yet.

Win one at least and then we can worry about it.

Also maybe it's funny to me but the difference in the tread of fans crying about not paying Grant Williams an average role player but then crying we kept Brown is just mond boggling. Considering how much harder it is to find a Brown than a Grant Williams.

I am personally happy we kept Brown, but it should be noted that if another team was paying him, they would be paying him a lot less (30% max instead of 35%). Imo, that is a fatal flaw in the newest CBA. They want teams that drafted a player to have an advantage over other teams in negotiations, but they absolutely screw them over when it comes to the salary cap. They really should have had it be that a team paying a supermax is only charged a regular max against the cap while they are with that team. That way both the player and the team benefit.

I think that that would have been a sensible rule change.

I believe all max contracts should count at 30%, whether it is 25%, 30%, or 35%.  And anything within say 10% of the maximum counts (so teams can't get cute with the rule).

I also think they need to adjust the supermax rules.  Make it either 1st Team or 2 other teams.  I think it is dumb that 1 "fluke" season in the right year allows a boost.  I mean Siakam isn't eligible for the supermax but Brown is.  On his current contract, Siakam has had a 2nd team and 3rd team, but can't sign for the supermax this summer, while Brown with his 1 2nd team can.  That is just dumb.

[BitterJim]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1684015370187816960?t=DuO3wXybP_ny_eiupRoOXw&s=19

Lol what's this garbage. Some exec thinks Jaylen is 3rd, 4th or 5th best player on the Celtics?

Must be someone who brad rebuffed

Anyone who thinks Jaylen is the 5th best Celtic doesn't deserve to be allowed to watch basketball on TV, let alone in a front office. Tatum is definitely better than Brown, I guess some people might like Porzingis more (maybe?). No genuine argument for anyone else

Is that quote from Zach Lowe?  He's a great guy (at least he was when he and Robb has their very good Celtics blog), but I question his sources and his analysis.  Whoever said that, are they basing their analysis on on-off / plus-minus numbers?  I know Moranis has beat that drum.  But, anybody watching the games closely can see that JB is our second best player.

But, that's without context of listening to the podcast.  Maybe the context was what VM said above:  the Celtics right now are paying some role players a lot, whether that be White or Brogdon.

Context always helps. The quote said "player" not "players", so they could simply be talking about Jaylen. If this person views "best player" as a play maker, then their probably correct. Jaylen simply doesn't help in that department. If he passes off of a drive, it's because he was stopped and he's forced to pass. He doesn't drive with intent to create opportunities for others.

That would be a weird (and sort of useless) way of defining "best player". Couldn't you just as easily say Tatum is tied with Kornet for 5th best player, and then justify it down the line by saying that my criteria is how good they are at getting blocks?

Saying 3rd/4th/5th best player is very different than saying 3rd/4th/5th best at one specific part of the game

[bdm860]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1684015370187816960?t=DuO3wXybP_ny_eiupRoOXw&s=19

Lol what's this garbage. Some exec thinks Jaylen is 3rd, 4th or 5th best player on the Celtics?

Must be someone who brad rebuffed

Anyone who thinks Jaylen is the 5th best Celtic doesn't deserve to be allowed to watch basketball on TV, let alone in a front office. Tatum is definitely better than Brown, I guess some people might like Porzingis more (maybe?). No genuine argument for anyone else

Is that quote from Zach Lowe?  He's a great guy (at least he was when he and Robb has their very good Celtics blog), but I question his sources and his analysis.  Whoever said that, are they basing their analysis on on-off / plus-minus numbers?  I know Moranis has beat that drum.  But, anybody watching the games closely can see that JB is our second best player.

But, that's without context of listening to the podcast.  Maybe the context was what VM said above:  the Celtics right now are paying some role players a lot, whether that be White or Brogdon.

Context always helps. The quote said "player" not "players", so they could simply be talking about Jaylen. If this person views "best player" as a play maker, then their probably correct. Jaylen simply doesn't help in that department. If he passes off of a drive, it's because he was stopped and he's forced to pass. He doesn't drive with intent to create opportunities for others.

That would be a weird (and sort of useless) way of defining "best player". Couldn't you just as easily say Tatum is tied with Kornet for 5th best player, and then justify it down the line by saying that my criteria is how good they are at getting blocks?

Saying 3rd/4th/5th best player is very different than saying 3rd/4th/5th best at one specific part of the game

Right here ya'll  (1:41 if the time stamp doesn't work for you).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpMqUPMqXSs&t=101s


Lowe said this deal was coming for a month, they were just working out the bells and whistles, so don't read anything into it taking this long.

Probably won't be a plus-value contract.

He's become underrated in the analytics corner, the 3rd-4th-5th best player comment was because Derrick White and Rob Williams are analytic darlings, and Lowe is like come on guys this dude can score everywhere, probably the best Celtic in NBA Finals outplaying Tatum in that series.  Can guard anybody, any time, any position (when engaged).

Contract may not age well, but it may not age poorly, and what else were the Celtics supposed to do.

Never liked Brown for Lillard talks.

If you asked Lowe right now, does he think Brown will play all 5 years as a Celtic, Lowe would guess no and that he gets traded some time over the next 5 years, but doesn't feel strongly about it.

Said the Porzingis 2 year extension was a deal he didn't really like.

[RodyTur10]

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1684015370187816960?t=DuO3wXybP_ny_eiupRoOXw&s=19

Lol what's this garbage. Some exec thinks Jaylen is 3rd, 4th or 5th best player on the Celtics?

Must be someone who brad rebuffed

Tatum is better without question. Porzingis is probably better. And I believe that White and a healthy Timelord may be more important to the team. And that's what I'm worried about. I don't care if Brown earns 40 or 60 million. But the implication may be that the owners are not going to let Stevens resign White or Timelord even if it's at half the price of Brown (25-30 million).

Brown is on a supermax (35%) of the cap. Salaries aren't going to explode where every really good player is just going to get 300/5, simply because they won't eligible to a supermax. A really unfortunate combination of circumstances. I really want to be wrong about this, but I just can't see Brown's contract becoming an asset on the market. And it will ruin our opportunities to build the best team in the NBA.

[johnnygreen]

I keep on hearing this argument of how Jaylen was the Celtics best player during the Finals against Golden State. So what?

The other argument I'm hearing is the playoff success the team has had with the Jays.

I hate to say it, but the Celtics have not won a title since 2008. Has Celtics nation suffered from losing for so long since the Bird era, that we've suddenly succumbed to accepting "participant trophies"?