2023 CS Historic Draft Thread - Results in OP!

[Kernewek]

Question for the crowd:  is there any GM who isn't completely happy with their team?  With the way the board has fallen, are there any moves that you would make differently?

I'm perfectly happy with my team because I'm generally picking players that I enjoyed watching play basketball (or would have enjoyed if I missed out on them) - good defenders with a solid eye for passing and making the 'right play', bonus points for great handles, generally guys who are a little more cognisant that basketball is, in fact, a game. This is essentially the first and foremost of my binkie archetypes when it comes to hoops in general- which is why Rasheed was almost always going to be one of my first two picks if he was available, regardless of counting stats (although he's a killer building block).

However - in my mind's eye I was 100% aiming to grab him back-to-back with Webber in the first round and then fill out the SG spot with Manu if possible, then have Divac off the bench sometime in the future, because imagine the ball movement between those guys and _insert token 3&D forward and a point guard with a shot to keep guys honest.

But, to be honest, I'm pretty happy with the squad overall because it's true to the kind of player I prefer to watch play basketball as well as operating within the spirit of the competition by trying to make the best team available.

[smokeablount]

Question for the crowd:  is there any GM who isn't completely happy with their team?  With the way the board has fallen, are there any moves that you would make differently?

Maybe I should have picked Gilmore over Lanier?

From from I read and heard from my dads friends, Lanier could shoot great and was underrated on D, more modern game. Gilmore was a stud on D, but limited offensive game. But maybe in this league he’s Shaq.

I didn’t see either one play and I knew I’d take one in the 4th. Continued to emphasize offense and ball movement, and went Lanier.

I know Who watched basketball at that time, and he’s liked some of my picks. Did I make a mistake in taking Lanier over Gilmore? Anyone?

[celticinorlando]

Question for the crowd:  is there any GM who isn't completely happy with their team?  With the way the board has fallen, are there any moves that you would make differently?

I'm perfectly happy with my team because I'm generally picking players that I enjoyed watching play basketball (or would have enjoyed if I missed out on them) - good defenders with a solid eye for passing and making the 'right play', bonus points for great handles, generally guys who are a little more cognisant that basketball is, in fact, a game. This is essentially the first and foremost of my binkie archetypes when it comes to hoops in general- which is why Rasheed was almost always going to be one of my first two picks if he was available, regardless of counting stats (although he's a killer building block).

However - in my mind's eye I was 100% aiming to grab him back-to-back with Webber in the first round and then fill out the SG spot with Manu if possible, then have Divac off the bench sometime in the future, because imagine the ball movement between those guys and _insert token 3&D forward and a point guard with a shot to keep guys honest.

But, to be honest, I'm pretty happy with the squad overall because it's true to the kind of player I prefer to watch play basketball as well as operating within the spirit of the competition by trying to make the best team available.

Agreed.

[Kernewek]

Question for the crowd:  is there any GM who isn't completely happy with their team?  With the way the board has fallen, are there any moves that you would make differently?

Maybe I should have picked Gilmore over Lanier?

From from I read and heard from my dads friends, Lanier could shoot great and was underrated on D, more modern game. Gilmore was a stud on D, but limited offensive game. But maybe in this league he’s Shaq.

I didn’t see either one play and I knew I’d take one in the 4th. Continued to emphasize offense and ball movement, and went Lanier.

I know Who watched basketball at that time, and he’s liked some of my picks. Did I make a mistake in taking Lanier over Gilmore? Anyone?

Hard for me to say, I can't really speak to either with strong basketball memories and I have little idea how they would translate. In general, I think the guys from the past would struggle more than a lot of people on this blog, which is why my picks have trended more modern with a few very clear exceptions. In general, I think the general feeling is that things like ball movement are timeless, while defense is somewhat era-dependent (can look at the general vibe of the draft as well as specifics like Ben Wallace going fairly late for this reason, perhaps.)


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Also happy to make my first pick of this round if people are fine with starting a bit early? I've got family over and while they're nodding off from general post-flight/travel/a couple of drinks fatigue no guarantee how long they'll be out.

[gouki88]

Go for it whenever you want Kern!

[Donoghus]

Question for the crowd:  is there any GM who isn't completely happy with their team?  With the way the board has fallen, are there any moves that you would make differently?

Maybe I should have picked Gilmore over Lanier?

From from I read and heard from my dads friends, Lanier could shoot great and was underrated on D, more modern game. Gilmore was a stud on D, but limited offensive game. But maybe in this league he’s Shaq.

I didn’t see either one play and I knew I’d take one in the 4th. Continued to emphasize offense and ball movement, and went Lanier.

I know Who watched basketball at that time, and he’s liked some of my picks. Did I make a mistake in taking Lanier over Gilmore? Anyone?

Hard for me to say, I can't really speak to either with strong basketball memories and I have little idea how they would translate. In general, I think the guys from the past would struggle more than a lot of people on this blog, which is why my picks have trended more modern with a few very clear exceptions. In general, I think the general feeling is that things like ball movement are timeless, while defense is somewhat era-dependent (can look at the general vibe of the draft as well as specifics like Ben Wallace going fairly late for this reason, perhaps.)


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Also happy to make my first pick of this round if people are fine with starting a bit early? I've got family over and while they're nodding off from general post-flight/travel/a couple of drinks fatigue no guarantee how long they'll be out.

Go for it.

[gouki88]

Is there a reason why Rip Hamilton is a different color then everyone else on the first page?

No intentional one!

[Who]

Question for the crowd:  is there any GM who isn't completely happy with their team?  With the way the board has fallen, are there any moves that you would make differently?

Maybe I should have picked Gilmore over Lanier?

From from I read and heard from my dads friends, Lanier could shoot great and was underrated on D, more modern game. Gilmore was a stud on D, but limited offensive game. But maybe in this league he’s Shaq.

I didn’t see either one play and I knew I’d take one in the 4th. Continued to emphasize offense and ball movement, and went Lanier.

I know Who watched basketball at that time, and he’s liked some of my picks. Did I make a mistake in taking Lanier over Gilmore? Anyone?

I had Lanier over Gilmore. I was going back and forth between Lanier and Zo for best center in the draft. Then Artis vs Yao for 3rd and 4th. With Pau Gasol and C-Webb getting in on that 3rd-4th debate if picked to play center in this draft rather than PF. Next tier down I had some two-way centers. Then the defensive centers in the fourth tier like Deke & Big Ben. They were my 4 tiers of starting caliiber centers.

Bob Lanier had a lethal offensive game. One of the top jump-shooting centers of all-time. A strong post game. Great hook shot. Variety of moves. Powerful. When he was younger he would face up and drive to the rim using the threat of his jump-shot to create space but he did this less as he got older. He took a lot of weird runners / floaters a bit like Jokic. Beautiful touch. Strong passer. Very smart player. Fundamentally sound defender. Strong rebounder.

Artis Gilmore was a very good offensive player and a very good defensive player. Not elite on either end but a very good two way guy. He was a major post-up threat. He would scare every team he played against when he got the ball even though he was kind of passive and was not aggressive enough in punishing his opponent. So he typically scored high teens low twenties. He could have been a 30ppg scorer if he had Shaq's mentality but he didn't.

He was a jump-shot out to the FT line. About 15 feet and in. He was a good passer. Very unselfish. Loved to share the ball. He was a bit gaffe prone in terms of turnovers, traveling. A little clumsy with all that size. Like a kid who just had a huge growth spurt and sometimes crashes into things. Not the most coordinated. But he was so efficient otherwise that these mistakes did not hurt too much.

Defensively, Gilmore was just huge. Anything around the basket was going to be effected by him. He didn't have the best fundamentals in terms of positioning off ball which is why he didn't reach the heights of a guy like Mutombo but Gilmore was still a very good defender. Terrific rebounder as well.

Lanier was a much better #1 option than Artis because he had a far more refined offensive game, was more aggressive and a better decision maker. Similar rebounders. Artis a better defender but the gap was larger on offense than defense since Artis did not maximize his D with good fundamentals.

Lanier had a nice stretch in MIL where he transition into more of a facilitator at center. Artis was a good facilitator as well. Both guys can make their teammates better. Can bring teams together and make them work well as a unit.

Lanier had a lot of D Cousins in him only more efficient. That is a good comp for Lanier. Cousins minus the crazy plus high efficiency.

Artis is tougher to compare to. He was far more talented offensively than the likes of Mutombo but not as a dominant as Shaq or Wilt. That was the big comparison for him in the ABA. Was Artis the next Wilt? Well, he wasn't. He could've been. Wrong mentality though. Never comfortable being that aggressive. Being the dominator. The center of everything. Preferred to fit in. We probably only saw 70-75% of what he was capable of if he ever really put his mind to task.

Artis gets compared more to guys like Robert Parish or big boosters of Artis will compare him to Ewing. Not as good a scorer as Ewing but a better team player is the argument. It has some legs. I am not sure I agree but I see where they are coming from.

[Kernewek]

Ah man I missed Rip being gone. Great pick.

With the first pick in the umpteenth round, the Washington Generals select The Pillsbury Doughboy, Elephant Drawers, The Muffin Man, Fat Daddy himself... Mark Aguirre!


A solid defender who could go for 40+ if necessary, and the highest-available assists per game of available small forwards, I believe.

Plus:
3xNBA All-Star
2xNBA Champ
All the good stuff (not to mention those A+ nicknames).

[Who]

Ah man I missed Rip being gone. Great pick.

With the first pick in the umpteenth round, the Washington Generals select The Pillsbury Doughboy, Elephant Drawers, The Muffin Man, Fat Daddy himself... Mark Aguirre. A solid defender who could go for 40+ if necessary, and the highest-available assists per game of available small forwards, I believe.

Plus:
3xNBA All-Star
2xNBA Champ
All the good stuff (not to mention those A+ nicknames).

It was between Aguirre and Dandridge for my last pick.

[smokeablount]

Ah man I missed Rip being gone. Great pick.

With the first pick in the umpteenth round, the Washington Generals select The Pillsbury Doughboy, Elephant Drawers, The Muffin Man, Fat Daddy himself... Mark Aguirre!


A solid defender who could go for 40+ if necessary, and the highest-available assists per game of available small forwards, I believe.

Plus:
3xNBA All-Star
2xNBA Champ
All the good stuff (not to mention those A+ nicknames).

Great pick Kerns. Top of the board in just pure overall talent.

[celticinorlando]

Ah man I missed Rip being gone. Great pick.

With the first pick in the umpteenth round, the Washington Generals select The Pillsbury Doughboy, Elephant Drawers, The Muffin Man, Fat Daddy himself... Mark Aguirre!


A solid defender who could go for 40+ if necessary, and the highest-available assists per game of available small forwards, I believe.





Plus:
3xNBA All-Star
2xNBA Champ
All the good stuff (not to mention those A+ nicknames).

Welp...back to the drawing board

[Donoghus]

An old friend.  Mixed feelings.  But a very good player when engaged in his prime. 

Sacramento Kings select: Rajon Rondo

[Who]

I saw a quote from Zeke about Dantley and Aguirre.

Zeke said Dantley was a very good player but an inflexible one while Aguirre was flexible. That is why it worked with Aguirre.

I know in the past Zeke has commented about how Aguirre was willing to come off the bench in 1990 for Rodman to start at SF. Something Dantley would not have done. Aguirre gave up touches and shot attempts. Something Dantley would not have done. Aguirre allowed the team to revolve around their three offensive guards. Something Dantley would not have done.

[Moranis]

I saw a quote from Zeke about Dantley and Aguirre.

Zeke said Dantley was a very good player but an inflexible one while Aguirre was flexible. That is why it worked with Aguirre.

I know in the past Zeke has commented about Aguirre was willing to come off the bench in 1990 for Rodman to start at SF. Something Dantley would not have done. Aguirre gave up touches and shot attempts. Something Dantley would not have done. Aguirre allowed the team to revolve around their three offensive guards. Something Dantley would not have done.

of course Zeke and Aguirre were childhood friends which probably was a factor in everything that went down.